(Article originally published here on October 27, 2008) under the title:
Interview: McCain Fellow Hanoi Hilton POW & Naval Academy Dorm-mate; Why He Won't Vote For McCain
Transcript of Interview with CDR, USN, Phil Butler on the Rob Kall Bottom-up Radio Show (1360 AM WNJC)
Transcription by Jay Farrington and Paul Hawley
Kall: Great to have you with us here on the Rob Kall Show at 1360 AM.
Butler: Thank you.
Kall: It's interesting; I've had a couple of emails. Now you wrote this article, "Why I won't Vote for John McCain" and you talk about your experience having been a POW for eight years, huh?
Butler: Yes, that's right.
Kall: Oh! I'll bet you know exactly how many days after eight years it was, too.
Butler: Well, two thousand eight hundred and fifty five days and nights--as a POW.
Kall: Oh my God, it's hard to imagine; it's mind boggling; thank you for your service!
You know, a couple of people have said, "This guy's doing to John McCain what John Kerry had done to him by the 'Swiftboaters'."
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Butler: No, that's not true, because I think the swiftboaters got some preconceived lies that they were pushing about John Kerry's service; that he was not a bona fide veteran; his medals weren't real and so forth, and in my article that I've written here, Why I Won't Vote for John McCain, I say clearly that I respect John (McCain) and I respect his service as a naval officer and also as a POW.
Kall: Yeah, let me read what you wrote: "Senator John Sidney McCain III is a remarkable man who's made enormous personal achievement. He's a man that I'm proud to call a POW who returned with honor."
Kall: So you're not any way like a Swiftboater; I just wanted to kind of clear that up right from the beginning.
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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect,
connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media.
He is the author of The Bottom-up Revolution; Mastering the Emerging World of Connectivity scheduled for release May 22, 2019
He's given talks and workshops to Fortune
500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered
first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and
Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful
people on his Bottom Up Radio Show,
and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and
opinion sites, OpEdNews.com
more detailed bio:
Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.