Gordon: I think real and true conservative values would probably involve conservation and conserving the best in tradition– you know, the best that is part of tradition. And I think where conservatism in this country has virtually completely failed is that I think it got paranoid with some of the changes. It got tied up with corporate values, and The Corporation – if you have seen the movie – the corporate values are the same values as a psychopath.
So the people with money that have taken over the Republican Party, and now the insane lunatics that are called the neocons, are the example of that. The trouble is that I hesitate to label these people conservatives. They are reactionary corporatists. They are psychopathic war criminals.
Edwin: What is the value of a psychopath?
Gordon: The value of a psychopath is no values. There is no heart to a corporation. There is no heart to a psychopath. He will get away with anything that he can get away with. He will murder. He will cheat. He will steal. He will lie – especially lie.
And so the kind of people that try to go up on the food chain, whether they might originally call themselves liberals or conservatives, sell out to these values, the values of a psychopath. If you’re hungry for power, and you are willing to give up your essence, your soul.
Edwin: How has that failed, being a psychopath? What’s wrong with it?
Gordon: Well, the earth is headed downhill. Our economy is headed downhill. Basically, what it is, is extreme egotism, when you lose the spiritual part of yourself. A lot of spiritual people say there is a higher self and a lower self. And the lower self – it’s nice to defend against poverty and a few basic things, but for the most part, if we are going to be real human beings, we can’t give up the higher part of ourselves.
And liberals and conservatives who still have a heart should get together and throw the criminals out of office. They are complete, absolute, insane criminals
Gordon: The most important personal value to me is freedom, and I think by that I mean spiritual freedom for each individual that also means that with deep understanding, that we are connecting with everybody else, that there is no such thing as absolute freedom, unless you have the values where you totally respect the freedom of every other individual. Otherwise, the kind of freedom that we call freedom, I don’t think is real freedom.
Edwin: And how did you learn that?
Gordon: I was raised by a very autocratic, dictatorial and bully of a father, who had his own positive merits, but he raised me – and I couldn’t fit in to believe these corporate values that every corporation was given total freedom to do anything they want, that the world would all work out, and that this was supposed to be in harmony with what Jesus taught. And it never seemed to be in harmony.
I felt constricted or like put in a box. He was from the old school – children should be seen and not heard, that sort of thing. I felt like I wasn’t free to be me. And I think this is a conservative value, that some people say is conservative.