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Disturbed Over Tulsi's "anti-anti BDS" Vote?" Many are, myself included

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I could only imagine that Tulsi had some logic behind her vote against the "anti-BDS" vote, which appeared to advocate for Israel, against Palestinians, pro AIPAC, and anti-First Amendment. I wrote against it a few times already, both here and on another site. Meanwhile, I was awaiting more from TG herself to explain her thinking. That as far as I know has not yet been spoken of by her, even on her channel, that I subscribe to.

Hence, the next best thing, that crossed my path last night, came in the form of analysis from Kim Iversen, who explains well enough for herself. My best interpretation at this point is that Tulsi remains a very deep thinker, ponders the implications of things, understands them well, and also that as often as not, votes get written in such a way as to include language that goes further than face value.

So I'm not justifying anything here or trying to, except to say that Kim has done some serious homework on this one and has much vested interest and history on the topic--as she well explains. I also must note that anyone running for office may as well quit before they start, given the AIPAC and other vast Zionist influence on American politics, if they do not make at least a quick genuflection to Israel. I trust any reader here has that basic understanding down well from readings and observations over the years.

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Beautiful intelligent, articulate young woman.

Separating independent B-D-S actions from the 'movement' was immensely helpful to my understanding both in general, and re: the recent votes.

Also, as Kim says at the end, it is vital to our spiritual discernment to separate a country's people from their government's stupid, sadistic actions.

Final comment: Worldwide Insanity is in Effect.

Thanks DG.

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Oh, one more comment after reaching the end of the presentation:

Because our government is the prime instigator of divisiveness, fear and anger, I don't think its condemnation of any deeds means a doggone thing.

Words, words, empty words, along with weapons, is its only claim to fame.

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The point isn't the usual suspects but the "peace" candidate Tulsi Gabbard. For voters and past supporters it does mean something. Though you're right she's part of the same club (except 17 no votes).


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I dunno, it still comes down to the core matter of protecting your 1st Amendment, regardless of any "strategic motivations" anyone might read into this.

The primary duty of your elected officials is supposed to be protecting the Constitution. This really should be the main focus.

You cannot afford any leeway to this principle. The 1st Amendment is already under attack, and bills like this one pretty much pronounce it dead. Let's not forget you've already lost your 4th and 5th Amendments.

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Not forgetting this at all, and thank you for reminding us all.


I just emailed Kim a short while ago and asked her to see if she could interview TG and have her explain this for herself.

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That would be interesting, indeed, if Kim could make that happen.

I like Kim. And I like Tulsi, but the fact of the matter is she has very recently blown TWO chances to show people she meant everything she has been saying to those like Jimmy Dore and in Iverson's previous shows.

She not only voted for the Anti-BDS bill, but she abstained from voting in the matter of the Saudi arms deals. I feel this completely contradicts key points of her platform.

In this particular scenario, I'm glad I'm not American.

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I completely understand, believe me. BUT the other side MAY be that she is truly interested in getting elected to put her actions where her mouth is. Having watched more videos of hers than I can count, and folks like Dave at Save America: Vote Tulsi, along with countless videos with her including Jimmy Dore and Joe Rogan--listening with my mind and heart--she seems like the best shot. Particularly if she gets Bernie and Marianne in her cabinet. Along with Paul Beckwith, my favorite Canadian climatologist, Amory Lovins of RMI.org, and Guy McPherson, to offer the necessary criticism that we need to face up to and figure out how to turn the tables. Maybe and probably with AI and bio-engineering.

Along with serious conservation. A house can be heated with a toaster or body heat, given enough insulation; instead of continually filling a bathtub with energy, renewable or whatever, we just need a better plug. I lived off-grid from 1983 until 1997 on 600 watts, on the best solar days, with some wood stove backup. As you may have seen click here

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I can only add 2 comments to that...

1) If Tulsi was not already in an elected position, I might entertain the idea of "doing what is necessary to get elected", though I'm not very comfortable with it. Tulsi, in her current role as an elected official, has chosen to not protect the Constitution, after taking the vow to protect it.

2) She could've abstained from the anti-BDS vote, as she did with the Saudi arms deal vote, but chose to support it instead.

As much as I started out liking her, she's not providing any evidence she'll act in your best interests, at the very time she needs so much to build that needed trust to be taken seriously. It pains me to say this.

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It pains me to see this, too, DA.

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I've discussed my position on this on another post, but since it continues, I'll indulge.

I never bought the Obama "progressive" trope from the time he hit the 2007 campaign trail. It was always a subtle fraud if you paid attention to what he actually said rather than what you "wanted" to hear him say.

I gave Gabbard much more leniency with her story about being a "combat" soldier and wanting to end these "regime" change wars. I even listened as she said in a town hall that she supported BDS and the cause of the Palestinians.

So this vote punctured that faith I had gathered regarding her authenticity. Talking to a crowd where a person asks a direct question is one thing. Voting against that very issue when it counts is another.

To do this for calculated "nuanced" (isn't that the Dem word for hypocrisy?) is Obama 2.0. We spent 8 years of duplicity with Obama. That should have taught "progressives" something. But Ground Hog day elections is apparently in our "DNA". Lessons are never learned. Always a newbie generation, and senior memory lapses.

Furthermore and to DA's point this is a first amendment issue, one that has been upheld in the courts. How fundamental is that to her narrative about being a major in the national guard?

The Saker says it succinctly: "My personal conclusion from all this is that this is yet another strong indication that the US political system is completely unreformable. And, furthermore, any political system which cannot adapt to new realities and reform itself is simply condemned to a sudden, catastrophic (and often violent) collapse."

(Kim Iverson is making the usually cognitive dissonant excuses.)

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Tulsi Gabbard: Watch this for why I voted for HRes246 and why I'll always defend our right to free speech

Sorry to say still a big load of BS.


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Yeah, I can't quite wrap my brain around her explanation...

"HRes246 does not in any way limit or hinder our first amendment rights."

It attacks a fundamental and protected form of expression - boycotting. And it was written only to protect a SPECIFIC FOREIGN COUNTRY, making it doubly unconstitutional.

All this, while the U.S. unilaterally sanctions the rest of the globe. Now, that's f'd up!

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I hear you, but do see my response to scanalyse.

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Thanks for the video. Here is more on the issue click here

I certainly understand your comment. But the depth of the bs I'm not so sure of, given it is non-binding and TG seems most serious about getting to where she can speak more freely.

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I heard this same bullshit with Obama every time he said one thing only to equivocate. Due to this "defence" of the undefendable the peace/anti-war movement starting under GW Bush was killed and is still dead.

But this is as much about BDS as about first amendment rights. Of course this is nonbinding, but it is a loud roaring support vote for AIPAC/Israeli policies.

If she wants to be president she has to be able to walk and chew gum. This is not one issue but at least 3. First her support for BDS she offered a questioner in a town hall which she has backpedaled, the first amendment issue which is nibbled away (that's how the US imperial empire goes about getting ride of rights and public services, little at a time), and lastly it's about how she used her congressional role - she had alternatives. She chose NOT to use them but to vote for the AIPAC resolution (this only reinforces her appearances with Adelman and AIPAC).

She's playing a game and this undermines her credibility which was built on a sense of authenticity. Her continued position in the military has been overlooked by people like me as something to allow her to speak out against the MIC. But this vote says if in power she'd be more Realpolitik/pragmatic and within the current system that's Business as Usual.

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I am always sceptical, as it seems to be genetic, reinforced by over half a century of getting screwed. On this one, I feel a need to watch a bit longer.

As my brother jokes, "Who cares what she says? She's better to look at than Trump!"

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The arrival of Donald Trump in the White House two-and-a-half years ago has emboldened Israel as never before leaving it free to unleash new waves of brutality in the occupied territories.

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Hey, Art, I'm putting too much hope on Tulsi, but every once in a while IMO,

I begin to wonder how well she's done her homework before the dog ate it.

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Thanks for posting this Dan, Kim is brilliant, she offered info I hadn't seen before, and I find myself agreeing with her. It makes sense that there were some hidden agenda...I have found the same with Bernie -- whenever he does or says something that I initially perceive as being out of character, when I look deeper, I find that there is something hidden, and when revealed, his actions make sense after all. I haven't yet discovered the hidden things behind Bernie's sudden support of Hillary in the last cycle, but I know there has got to be something.

I think Bernie, Tulsi, Marianne and Mike Gravel are the candidates with the corner on ethics. I'd like to feel that Warren was more "through and through" ethical like they are, but I don't...although I wouldn't mind discovering enough evidence to convince me. ;-)

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Very well put, M.A.

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What is BDS and what is "anti-BDS?"

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nevermind. Kim explains it! I so appreciate your turning me on to her, Dan. Every time I listen to her I am impressed with the homework she puts into her videos and her ability to think critically about complex issues - even if not in full agreement at all times with her analyses.

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Abandon all hope? Tulsi joins the anti-BDS bandwagon.

Meanwhile, Jewish Voice for Peace, a pro-Palestinian Jewish-American advocacy group, said the resolution "continues a dangerous trend of censoring criticism of the actions of the Israeli government. The Israeli government has shown, over and over, that it will continue to violate Palestinian human rights with impunity."

Read more 2019-07-27 " Patrice de Bergeracpas

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Near as I can tell, the issue was that it went so far as to ultimately lead to Palestinians running Israel. As much as I kind of like that idea, it just ain't going to fly. My understanding is Tulsi was looking for something that would actually work and be acceptable to both sides.

I am reminded of a principal in a court of law called jury nullification, where the jury can decide that the law doesn't apply because the situation is such the jury can toss out the law and do what they feel is right .

Not saying I agree in this case but just trying to make sense of it. Meanwhile, I am still waiting to hear Tulsi's answer or the interview I asked Kim iversen to do with her.

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Stop listening to someone who treats each issue as if it's a HS research paper. This is about 70 years of ethnic cleaning and genocide.


I'm very disappointed in the site's notion of "critical thinking". Iverson should interview the leaders of BDS. (I listened to Kim when she attempted to speak about socialism. It was liberal capitalist Keynesianism.)

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With 88% of voters brainwashed,,,I can see her voting for Israel on BDS. Gonna take a major awakening for Americans to wake up about the crimes of Israel. THAT, might just end up the truth of what happened on 911: i can only speculate that Mossard found it it was coming and joined in. Speculation, if only.

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I think evidence actually supports this.

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They started off by saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Ten minutes later, they were reading the text of a resolution claiming the existence of "overwhelming evidence" that "pre-planted explosives caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings."

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Well the same can be said about the MIC. She voted for the budget which is $1.48 Trillion over 2 years for the MIC, billions more than all the other budgeted items combined, including the VA.

So if she's not accountable, while running on this MIC $$$ issue, who is? She's made this her raison raison d'etre. So what is to be done. Pretend that this is the best "we" can do is to go along with lips service as the world burns?

Mike Gravel (and when he was in office) Kucinich (and even Ron Paul on foreign policy) are/were speaking truth to power. If getting power means giving in than there's no reason to want it, except for its own sake.

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I don't know what it will take to awaken people that a country spending $-Trillions on the war machine is lying about who or what it claims to trust in with every buck it spent. Why would a country trusting in him being going the opposite direction of his will for these times in Isaiah 2 & Micah 4, when nations start to beat swords into plowshares feeding the world and never training for war again. People are so turned off by what the religious right has done to the gospel, or brainwashed into believing their version of the good news, that when the Bible is brought up you are immediately cut off. At least Tulsi is speaking of the costs of these wars.

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I'm still waiting to hear what happened to the 21 trillion dollars that Sanders spoke a lot about. Not to mention all the money that was lost in 9/11 it has never been accounted for. I'd start looking at the bank account of Larry Silverstein & Company had I the ability to do so.

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Have heard of Silverstein & Company. Read enough and others can do that research. But I would like someone to publicly ask that news lady how she knew building 7 had fallen, while it was still standing in background of her news report?

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The list of obvious, unanswered questions wouldn't fit on the internet.

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"...how she knew building 7 had fallen, while it was still standing in background of her news report?"

That one inconvenient piece of news coverage did more than any other to illustrate how the mainstream news industry works in unison, and with an almost central form of direction. Jane Standley (the BBC reporter in the clip), received a lot of harassment afterward, and didn't appear to know exactly what had transpired until later.

What we all saw was a reporter being queued to relate a script that was already fed to her. Being British, she probably wouldn't have known much about any of the New York buildings being displayed behind her. For all she knew, the story she was reading out was a truthful account of something that had just happened.

But a fact became inescapable at that point. Some people somehow KNEW the building was going down, and that it was to happen around that time - but HOW??. And, Jane was obviously queued into position far too soon, as something went wrong with the communications between cooperating news feeds - who were setting up a story that hadn't taken place yet!

"Interesting" does not even come close to defining what happened there.

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Woundn't cutting back on every regime change war slash his budget to just about nothing? As in are we actually doing anything else?

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I'm late to the party here, but I don't understand calling Tulsi's vote "anti-anti BDS." She voted for anti-BDS, so doesn't that make her pro-anti-BDS?

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I always get screwed up on double negatives! I actually pondered that for about five minutes. I must leave that to others to figure out... thanks for being the first!

But here's the latest one on the topic click here that I just posted. Hopefully at least a little bit more clear.

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The bill makes the BDS movement a crime. (An "anti-BDS" bill.) She voted FOR the bill. So her vote was also "anti-BDS".

Don't know where "anti-anti-" came from. In order to be "anti-anti-BDS", you'd have to vote AGAINST the bill. Doesn't apply to Tulsi.

So, it's not you who's confused. Your head's on straight.

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'Pears to be so. Though as non-binding, I'm not sure being pro BDS is a crime. Yet.

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Ok if not binding, than what is it? It's a vote of confidence in AIPAC/Israeli policies vis a vis Palestinians. It is the first step of making this a broad condemnation, and perhaps as in France the illegality carries with it the label "anti-Semite".


This Kim Iverson is concerned about the well-being of Israel and that a single-state (Mike Gravel supports as the only sane course) is some how an existential threat.

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Israel was and is a mistake. So are all country boundaries. One species, one planet, one fate. I've written about this more times than I can count, let alone recall. And the fate certainly looks like near term extinction. All else is bread and circus.

TG, MW, MG, and maybe BS strike me as at least humanitarian.

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Ya know, I have to wonder where all the real, anti-war, humanitarian, free speech, power-to-the-people, "get the government the hell outta my bedroom" true leftists have gone.

The People don't vote with their conscience, and neither do their elected reps.

Didn't "progressives" like Tlaib and AOC just vote FOR the recent bill that gives yet another record amount to the military?

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I've always voted my conscience. Meaning for "winners who lost." Also worked my ass off for them, even ran for Federal Senator under Rocky.

But still wonder as you do. My guess is chasing God, aka $$$.

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Ken Lee, good to see that you're weighing in.

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Who is Ken Lee?

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Older commenting friend who plugs you.

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You know, I'm losing it!

Another one that should've just come to mind.


Yeah, so where is he? :)

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Yr in good company. I should have invested in Peter Vella when Trump got in. I'd be wealthy from my own investments.

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vietnam era draft refuser, Kenneth Lee, been around for years.

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Hi DA,

Here's one of those disappearing 'true leftists' you speak of. I rang the alarm bells on Tulsi a while back, and almost all of you thought I was way off the mark and being way too 'critical' of her.

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Hey Kenneth! Good to "see" you again! Nelson "confused" me when he called you "Ken". :)

Most of what I said on this topic is that we can't be too quick to "jump all over" any of these candidates. I always kept an open mind, mostly because I can - I'm Canadian, so I really don't have a horse in this race.

Having said that, I will admit to being initially impressed with what I saw of Tulsi. She said the right things on Jimmy Dore and other venues, and seemed genuine enough. But I still cautioned people to look deeper! (Never trust a politician!)

In the beginning, I was also willing to overlook her obvious conflict, which was her career of military commitment. This was something you pointed out, but some people may not have been ready at the time to disqualify her on that basis. I was one of those. I always follow a principle of "let's see if there's anything to it" first.

For me, it was the voting that showed me there WAS "something to it".

I know you're passionate about stopping all the war. I'm with you completely. But, does having a military career automatically mean we should worry about someone? It started out as an interesting question for me, but I'm leaning more toward the "yes" side all the time lately.

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Hi DA, good to 'see' you again. as well ! Just as a side note, My dad is Canadian (B.C.) and my dad's mom, the best grandma I could have ever hoped to have, was the first 'white' girl born in the Yukon ! I've always considered myself a world citizen, and only an American by accident of birth.

I, too, wanted to give Tulsi some slack in the beginning. As much as I've always been 100% opposed to war, I can accept someone who's been in the military provided that they have learned something of the lies, deceit and evil that permeate those institutions. Unfortunately, the more I listened to her the more I realized that she had not received any enlightenment from that experience and was, in fact, very deeply embedded in the military mindset. When she said " I'm a WARRIOR, not a pacifist!" and that ONLY a military person is 'qualified' to be president, that really clinched it for me. That and more is what prompted me to write my little article about her a few months ago. Lately, she's been doubling down on her military 'cred' to convince us she's the ONLY one qualified, and now I see even Mayor Pete is getting in the act with a photo of himself assuming a very 'manly' pose in his military fatigues and holding some sort of massive gun. My disgust never ends...

I watch Jimmy Dore, Kim Iverson and others fairly frequently and have many thoughts in common with them, but they ALL have bought into this notion that somehow a person with a certain degree of military experience will invariably make a great choice for 'civilian' leader of this country. It literally made my skin crawl when Tulsi said that the most important part to her of being President would be as 'Commander in Chief' of the military. That should disturb everyone who reads or hears that from her or ANY candidate.

And now there's her BDS vote after LYING to the public about her support for it. How many more lies, Tulsi (Barack) ?

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We must keep an open mind; the opposite of which I've long called the ultimate weapon of mass destruction.


I've got a little more rope left to feed out, but the supply is running short.

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I really do hear ya on all the "flag-waving patriotism". It gets as tiresome as it is nauseating.

And they use "the troops" as a form of "appreciation generator", only to throw them all under the bus after they come home. They go on about the latest budget being so "good for the military and good for the troops", but we know the reality is that the troops will never see any of that money.

I think Jimmy Dore was already going into "second analysis" of Tulsi, after the BDS vote was taken. Judging by his last presentation, he didn't seem too ready to dismiss the implications. We'll see soon, I'm sure.

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hey, Kenneth, I couldn't agree with you anymore fully. Glad to see your hat

in the ring.

After stupidly hanging to the USN through the end of WWII and Horrible

involvement in Korea, I can see, finally, I'd been had. Now I've been filled

with the remaining of 90+ years of APOLOGY and REGRET. I hate being remembered

as a 100% A--hole though I look like it more every day. Cheers!

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I'd never consider anyone who has seen the daylight an A..hole, no matter what age they may be. Those who I have a real problem with are wandering around in public wearing baseball caps emblazoned with "Proud Veteran-Desert Storm" or "Iraq" or "Enduring Freedom "(?) or whatever. They OBVIOUSLY haven't been paying attention. You, on the other hand, I'm proud to know. Spreading our hard-earned wisdom to younger minds is one of the best, most productive things we can do now, and I know that many of us here on Op-Ed are doing just that.

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It's kinda sad, though, to see all the destroyed lives hobbling around VA's

with all they have to show is their baseball cap. It's perhaps just trying to

say "Hi, Buddy, you got f=cked, too".

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What disturbed me even more was her recent vote for $1.48T (or more) on the military budget. Came on that just yesterday. Waiting to see Kim and Jimmy on that, not that I need to hear it.

2 + 2 is looking a lot less like 4.

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I've Long vouchsafed, Jim, you're a lot more than just a pretty face.

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I'll buy the beer this time, Jim.

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Okay Nelly, but THIS TIME, if YOU'RE buying, some good Sonoma County craft beer -- NOT Coors Lite or any such nearly-beer.

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I'm not concerned about this although I did find it puzzling at the time. We really do have to look at her record/s as a citizen, soldier and as Representative of her immediate congressional district. I have done this and come back to what she has said and done. Tulsi is the real deal and if one can't separate the wheat from the shaft please don't vote at all, really.

Do not forget her meetings with Trump on ending the endless wars and bringing peace with Syria's Assad's citizens and secular government knowing she would be roasted and demonized like every countries leader we have destroyed along with their country's Treasure, Commons and Inalienable Rights.

Lest we forget what we and the rest of the world are facing as clear and present danger/s let us take a peek behind the curtain and make the real choice here, here and here for starters.

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She's also called Assad a murderous dictator. (I looked the other way. Making up excuses like "she had to because she didn't want to be called an Assad stooge). She has a mixed voting record and many bills are loaded with all kinds of compromises, so one can give her the benefit of the doubt. Her military stance is not always palatable, but again I excused it as a means of making her stance on military spending and stopping at least regime change wars. I now read that as Obama's "stupid" wars. The right to protect or Humanitarian wars are pretexts used by the Dems. Is that her game?

This referendum was a clear statement. And it has (and I think should) raised concerns about what happens when she votes versus her public statements. (In a video a few months ago at a town hall where she was questioned about her support for the Palestinians. Unequivocal YES. Then, would she support BDS as POTUS. Again, YES.

I've gone by those and "forgiven" some dubious positions in the name of getting the central one of war/peace on the debate stage. Did she vote yes on the anti-BDS referendum with comment or proceed to simply be the invisible vote tabulated with the majority?

This is a hard fact to overlook as it touches on 1st amendment and support for the right of Americans to address through peaceful means a 70 year crises for millions of Palestinians.

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Yes, basically it comes down to having nothing but "faith" to go on with any of these people.

They say things on the campaign trail that appeal to you, only to contradict themselves in a House vote, as elected Constitution-avowed officials. So, they're not doing anything to solidify any initial good impressions you may have had with them, and the current government agenda continues, unabated, as they've given their support.

Whatever "non-binding" means, the votes still push through that current agenda.

Brings back the question, what's the point in voting? You're not being given any concrete reason to believe they'll act in your best interests anyway.

When given the chance to prove themselves, they never seem to put your money where their mouths are.

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This is one of the many times I choose not to project trend into destiny. Do you see a better choice? I'd certainly take Marianne Williamson given a chance.

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A better choice? Hmmm.

Given what I've already said, the whole point was to illustrate a current trend in your politics, that being to campaign without the reinforcement of their actions. And, it seems there are no real consequences to be had from the Public for this, as people still feel obligated to believe in someone they can vote for.

But, what do they have to base their faith on? Only gut feelings they derive from words, appearances, and feel-good interviews - very little of which containing any evidence of what you're really going to get, should you elect them.

I'll use one example, just for illustration. Based on only personal evidence-free observation, I might be inclined to believe in Mike Gravel as being a "genuine person", because he says a lot of things I would like to hear a candidate say. Unfortunately, I know he's only running in hopes of creating public dialog and increased awareness on some important issues, and there's the question of him maybe being too old to consider, and whether he really wants the job.

But, let's suppose I wanted to consider him anyway, simply because I like "his message". What would I have as an indicator of where his moral compass actually points to? I would have to look back at when he held office, at what things he promoted, and what he voted for.

I have no knowledge of what Gravel did in office, but if he voted against all of half of the principles he's preaching now, he wouldn't get my vote, period.

To be honest, I don't see anything genuine about any of the candidates that I could base a rational decision on. You're not being given the proper information (probably by design). The debates are a scam, and the MSM is there to direct the ignorant majority anyway.

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RIGHT in a nutshell, bm

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But, what do they have to base their faith on? Only gut feelings they derive from words, appearances, and feel-good interviews - very little of which containing any evidence of what you're really going to get, should you elect them.


>IIf Trump got in this way, pass me a hari-kari knife. But I certainly hear you.

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I could answer that, but I'll want you to put the Bushido blade back in the case first.

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Actually I "supported" TG because I believed.


I no longer believe for reasons I've enumerated and don't want to bore with further repetition.


The system is beyond "reform". It offers up, as John Adams noted from the start, a cult of personalities. The power elite/structure takes it from there. That is the lesson Gabbard's Pro-AIPAC vote should have taught (the lobby group must have hi-fived after the vote captured a "squad" member and the "peace" candidate).


The House (casino) always wins in the end. We all know it yet we keep going back to the table. Tulsi can be flipped, as they all can.


Bernie's Medicare for All is fatally flawed and in the land of CAPITAL, it will never be passed as we conceive it nor will the capitalistic GND.


It's a rigged game. If Maryanne is your cup of tea write either her or her benefactor Oprah in. We don't even have an economy. It's global and run by transnational corporations with a multi-trillion dollar military to support its mayham.


Who in the hell wants to be President of that? Well I guess we know.

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A crying shame that Oprah supports her, but is that her fault?


I have no cup of tea.


As noted in my lead-in paragraph: I also must note that anyone running for office may as well quit before they start, given the AIPAC and other vast Zionist influence on American politics, if they do not make at least a quick genuflection to Israel. I trust any reader here has that basic understanding down well from readings and observations over the years.[END]



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Where's John Lawrence today?

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You're shooting a few names at me today. Are you talking about the actor John Lawrence?

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fellow film director who lives near Lois Gagnon, retired farming in Mass.

John Lawrence Re', normally involves his input when we have a good discussion going. Tops, informed and knowledgable.

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Of course! [Face slap]

He should've come to mind immediately. (Time for coffee.)

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Art, I do believe that Tulsi is free of blackmail and coercion as we follow the Lolita Express to all the mysterious details of alleged sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his private Great Saint James and Little Saint James islands in the Virgin Islands. As one of many venues for Honey Traps but not limited to. A lesson of how great wealth of money and political power gained can make a difference when it comes to shameful crime/s against humanity until the day it doesn't. I am anticipating that day to come, if not to late!

Divided and conquered! Who can we blame it on "You and Me"? We all have our opinion how we ended up here, this is not debatable but a fact.

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ART, DO i FORGET, or WASN'T SHE IN MEDICAL CARE?

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Allo, my friend, George - I'd just like to throw in a thought:


I'm awfully proud to be allowed in this marvelous group of O-E-Nners who, between and among themselves, offer more goodwill, common sense, and

understanding/knowledge than I would credit to most any of our senators/

representatives, including those now canmpaigning. No wonder that we

question what was once called "God." I'd like to name you all.


Namaste from my Heart chakra!

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Good to hear you more often these days, Jim from the burning ruins.

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Namaste, Chakra indeed Nels as it (OEN) is a whirling vortex powerhouse of energy. As a note I have spent some time exploring physical locations of vortexes on this planet and my favorite experiences have been in Arizona where members of various tribes gathered coming from great distances for the time period. Most notably the Hopi whose oral history stretches back thousands of years, which is a big reason they are believed to have one of the oldest living cultures in the world. Archaeology has affirmed their presence in the Southwest for thousands of years, and possibly longer.

Yes French allo, clever of you Nels, as the comment section is like a telephone party line indeed and I hear you very clearly. There are more than a few acts of notable spirit goodwill and common sense that contains understanding and knowledge in play in OEN but not all but such is the affairs of man.

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Very disingenuous. For one thing there is not two versions of BDS. There is not "BDS tool kit" and a BDS Movement.

Many other discrepancies that lead me to believe this is Israeli hasbara, whether Kim knows it or not.

There is so much incorrect info and mistakes that I don't know where to start.

One glaring misstatement is that "Israel is the only democracy in the ME". For one thing Israel is not a democracy. It cannot be a Jewish state and a democracy. That is impossible, and even Obama said so in his departing UN speech. Israel does not even have a constitution. Nor has Israel defined its borders. Israel denies that all of its citizens are "Israelis" and denies that there is even a nationality called "Israeli".

Iran is more of a "democracy" than Israel. Iran has a constitution and I encourage people to read it. Their constitution guarantees basic human rights including religion. Iran guarantees all of its citizens the basic necessities of life such as healthcare, etc, and employment. Iran has an elected government, term limits on the president. Yes, their is a Islamic committee that overlooks the government. BTW, their constitution forbids nuclear, chemical and biological warfare.

Another example is that the two state solution is dead. It is a propaganda fantasy to keep the status quo, which is for Israel to eventually wipe Palestine off the map.

And Hong Kong, and South Africa and Finkelstein; and Western imperialism spreading democracy, really?

In my eyes Kim has done more to discredit Gibbard than to help her. Kim would have been honest if she had just said this was all about the Israel lobby, the benjamins, and the Jewish vote.

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As for TG video, she is being dishonest. She knows full well that the 2 state solution is dead. The only hope left for the Palestinian people now is a civil rights movement for a one state solution. This fear of a Palestinian majority is based on white supremacy and settler colonialism.

Kim plays on that too, and uses the mythologies of "western values". Israel doomed the two state solution when it started building settlements, and now it claims all of Jerusalem.

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Duly noted. Thx.

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I have to agree with all of that. I like Kim, but I think this is definitely one subject she needs to expand her homework on.

This anti-BDS bill was created by a corrupt government and completely enabled by propaganda. It is a statement that Orwellian rule has arrived. Any candidate that doesn't speak up loudly against this development cannot be considered to run the country, as they're probably complacent to its agenda.

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DA, This is the first encounter I have had with Kim. I could understand if Kim and TG had just been honest and said, "look this was a tactical decision that is a bill that has no teeth, and I don't want to hurt my campaign if I don't have to". I could really forgive that. But I don't like being bs'ed.


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