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Arguments Against Materialism

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Jay Richards: Why Materialism Fails - Science Uprising extra content In this bonus interview footage from Science Uprising, philosopher Jay Richards defines materialism, discusses how it has impacted us, explains why it shouldn't ...
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This video came to me via YouTube algorithm, as many do. As per the title, it is a number of arguments against the dominant scientific view that is grounded in materialism. The presenter, Jay Richards, does a remarkable job, imo. He's got a good number of arguments which he presents eloquently. If anything, it's hard to come away not convinced that science needs to broaden its horizons, as per folks such as Rupert Sheldrake--who I believe has made compelling arguments that scientists need to broaden their horizons and understand what I can only call the "religion" they are steeped in. Like myself, Jay does not argue against science, but deeply for it, but also expanding the very ancient foundations it currently rests on.

But check it out and decide for yourself. Comments encouraged.

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Daniel Geery

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I have always appreciated philosophers, starting with my college professor, Dr. Fred Valenti, at Adelphi University, who changed my life forever and for the better

I also can't conceive of anyone who isn't a philosopher at heart. The unexamined life is the life not worth living, the author of which escapes me.

I am particularly interested in those philosophers with a good grasp of science, often better than my own. Here's one of those, whom I highly recommend.

Submitted on Tuesday, Jun 25, 2019 at 5:21:10 PM

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Art Costa

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Reply to Daniel Geery:

Recommend Jeremy Lent's The Patterning Instinct: A Cultural History of Humanity's Search for Meaning. He provides a sense of the long emergence of homo sapiens, a kind of meta-philosophical view.

Today we suffer from a mechanistic view of the world that has trapped up in a Newton physics. This explains most if not all of our deep problems today.

Submitted on Tuesday, Jun 25, 2019 at 11:22:46 PM

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Daniel Geery

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Reply to Art Costa:

Indeed.

Submitted on Wednesday, Jun 26, 2019 at 3:26:30 AM

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Daniel Geery

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Reply to Art Costa:

Beautiful interview, food for thought.

Thanks and I hope others watch it.

Submitted on Wednesday, Jun 26, 2019 at 4:17:03 AM

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Jerry Lobdill

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As a scientist I never addressed issues like this. I didn't know anyone who did. This seems to me to be a linguistic issue. Here's a definition of "matter" that I learned in school in the 1950s: Matter is anything that occupies space and has mass. The definition still holds today. So matter always has mass and occupies space. But "anything" that does not have mass and occupy space is not matter. Thoughts, emotions, and ideas are not matter, but they are things. Here"s a dictionary definition of non-material things:

an action, activity, event, thought, or utterance.

"she said the first thing that came into her head"

synonyms: activity; More

circumstances, conditions, or matters that are unspecified.
"things haven't gone entirely according to plan"
synonyms: matters, affairs, circumstances, conditions, relations; More
an abstract entity, quality, or concept.
"mourning and depression are not the same thing"
synonyms: characteristic, quality, attribute, property, trait, feature, point, aspect, facet, element

But are non-material things real? Do they exist? These are questions that scientists wouldn't ask IMO.

Submitted on Wednesday, Jun 26, 2019 at 12:53:59 AM

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Daniel Geery

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Reply to Jerry Lobdill:

But what is space?

Never mind; no matter.

What's the matter? Never mind.

Jk. 😁

Tesla said to think in waves. I agree, but what are the waves going through?

We may live in a universe of vibrating strings. But what are strings?

Submitted on Wednesday, Jun 26, 2019 at 3:24:58 AM

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Jerry Lobdill

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Reply to Daniel Geery:

Yeah, right, Dan. We might also ask what is mass, and what is a universe? And a little more complex...what does vibration mean? We'd have to explain motion and time. :-)

Submitted on Wednesday, Jun 26, 2019 at 5:27:14 PM

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Daniel Geery

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Reply to Jerry Lobdill:

I do agree, seriously. Many are asking these very questions and many answers proposed. No expert here, but I do what I can to follow these things and have been for a long time (whatever time is, a measure of entropy apparently, though even that seems to vary in different places in the universe).

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