So what Glen Greenwald is doing right now I think is a public service. What Ed Snowden did, like what Bradley Manning did, was to try to present information to the American People that would allow them to understand the extent to which the government in conducting these operations in secrecy. It should encourage a serious confrontational debate in this country over what our own elected representatives, and more importantly, an unelected National Security State, is doing to us and in our name. I see it all as part of the same hyper-secret society that we're living in right now, and the need to confront it.
Rob Kall: One - I'm pushing. What about drones and drone killings? Could you comment on them and where we're going with that?
Jeremy Scahill: Well, there's very little new in war except technology; and like cruise missiles, drones offer the Commander in Chief the ability to wage war without having to subject American lives to being taken or soldiers to being maimed, and I think it is an attempt to sanitize the methods of war. But I don't hyper-focus on drones, because I think that it's the kill program and the assertions from the White House that are really the issue, not necessarily the weapons that they're using. I think drones become a point of interest for people because of what they represent: this idea that someone sitting in a trailer in the Southwest of the US can be bombing Pakistan or Yemen cuts to the heart of some the worst war mentality that we're in, which is this idea that you don't have to subject your own people to any kind of risk in order to engage in these operations; it happens with very minimal effective oversight. I think we're looking at a glimpse of the future with how these wars are being waged.
Rob Kall: OK, thanks so much Jeremy. We really appreciate it, hope we can have you back on.
Jeremy Scahill: OK Rob it was good talking to you. Thank you.
Rob Kall: Bye.
Jeremy Scahill: Bye.
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