PCR: It depends. The president of Brazil said, why are we in this American communication system? All it does is let them abuse us, spy on us? Why don't we have our own? The Russians and the Chinese have said the same thing. What are we doing? Why do we use the American internet based system? It's stupid. Why are we doing this? We weren't thinking. We must be absolute and total idiots. And they are. They are. They are completely stupid to be using the American internet system because they're being spied on. So the question is-- will they do anything about it or is it too much trouble? Is it too expensive? Or is it just too convenient to use what's there? Will Brazil try and do something, but find that American financial power is in the way? And they really can't get it off the ground because the backers and the people financing it are intimidated or controlled by Wall Street or the Big Banks or the IMF? So you don't know whether anything can be done about it. You know we have all of these cases of all the big internet companies letting the government breach the system so they can spy on people. We have these laws now which they can't really do anything about it. I just don't... we've got Merkel. She was all mad they spied even on her private cell phone. They were spying on her. Recording her personal conversations and she was all mad and going to do something and then we have all the statements from the German ministers, oh, we don't want to get on the wrong side of our good ally. So, I think on the whole that Washington's power over these people is pretty firm and that they either can't get out from under it because of the blackmail or they haven't the energy to take on a fight like that. To get in a fight with the United States takes a lot of energy and if you're trying to be elected in Germany your opponent can say, well, look, she can't get along with America, our great friend and ally. What will we do without America and blah blah blah? And then that can be used against Merkel and she can be defeated or lose her position in the party. So, there's so many constraints on people's ability to do anything. And right now, you and I, we have an easy go because they haven't focused on the internet yet. But they'll get to it. And so--
R.K.: But that's what they're doing. That's what the Obama's republican FCC corporate guy is doing. Basically ending net neutrality.
PCR: That's part of it, yeah. That's part of it. That's one way to be able to shut down sites that don't pay a lot of money. Those sites become so slow and so hard to open and you wait so long and, you know, can you pay the kind of money that Amazon.com can pay? No. So, opednews is online by you visited and you click on something and in five minutes it opens. That's what they're going to do. Yeah. But it doesn't mean they won't also come and arrest you if somebody reports something to you that they don't like that you published. So, they'll get you both ways. And me too. They'll get me both ways. So, when the supreme court refuses to hear a First Amendment case involving the legal intimidation of a journalist, you know Freedom of Speech is dead in the United States. It's done, dead.
R.K.: Yeah. It's pretty scary.
PCR: It's scary and what makes it even more scary is all these people who still believe in the government. If we just had the right person. Yeah, right. Like Obama?
R.K.: Well. what's the alternative?
PCR: To what?
R.K.: To government.
PCR: Well, this was the problem that the founding fathers addressed, isn't it Rob? They said that any government was deadly. The most danger that any people face is from their own government. We know this as a fact they say. What can we do? On the other hand, what's the alternative to government? So what you do is you tie it down with the constitution and you separate it into equal branches and rely on the jealousy of each branch to control the other. And then you do the same thing to the population. You have an electoral system that's dispersed, that's weighted differently, that property has a big weight, so it's harder to steal people's property and so on. Well, that's what they set up. And once it's set up, we have been progressively dismantling it. Taking it apart. And everything that the founding fathers put in has been taken out. So, and Jefferson said that's what will happen and that's why every two hundred years you have to kill everybody in the government and start all over. He said, this is exactly what will happen. Everything that we have done to make this safe, make government safe for the people will be dismantled over the next two hundred years. And what do you do then? You kill them and you start all over. And that's what Thomas Jefferson said. Not in so many words but that's what he said. And you know, it's a famous statement.
R.K.: Yeah, what is it the tree of democracy is-
PCR: The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of tyrants or something like that.
R.K.: Right.
PCR: So, now let me just be sure that everybody understands, including the NSA who is listening to every word and the FBI, I am not advocating that everybody in Washington be killed. I am not. I am simply reporting historically what the founding fathers thought. So I am not advocating it, I'm simply saying this is what they thought. You can go read it in the history books yourself.
R.K.: Okay. So, that takes me to another thing I wanted to talk about and that's what we have been seeing lately is right wing terrorists in America. People getting guns and shooting people like the couple in Las Vegas who wrapped themselves in the Don't Tread on Me flag after they committed suicide after killing a couple of people and where does this fit into all of this?
(Here are the details of the killings in Las Vegas. On June 8, 2014, Jerad Dwain Miller, 31, & his wife Amanda Woodruff Miller, 22, entered a Las Vegas Walmart pizzeria, approached two police officers eating lunch & killed them both. They dragged the officers out of the pizzeria & into the aisles of the Walmart store, took their weapons & ammunition & covered the body of one of the officers with a yellow, Gadsden flag, also known as a Don't Tread On Me Flag which has been adopted by the Tea Party. They left a manifesto which included a swastika on top of the flag. They pinned a note on the other officer's body that read, "This is the start of the revolution." A bystander who attempted to interfere was killed by Amanda Woodruff Miller. A shootout with police followed in which Jerad Dwain Miller was fatally wounded moments before Amanda Woodruff Miller turned the weapon she was about to use to kill her husband on herself.) (Thanks to transcription helper Dick Overfield for adding context)
PCR: You know, Rob, I don't know. I don't pay any attention to these things because I'm focused on major economic things or Russia and the Ukraine, you know, major world events. I don't have the time to go do this, but all I can say is this. I have read and spoken to people in the past. I was in Washington for twenty-five years, very much involved. There are or allegedly are government programs that are off the books and they are about manipulating people and they're about using manipulated people to build support for a policy or change that otherwise has no support that they can't get anywhere with. And so if you've got people doing crazy things that really don't make much sense and they involve guns, then you can see this is an attack on the second amendment. They want to disarm people, very difficult to do, and so you build a case. So that's one possible explanation. I don't know that it is the explanation, but that's one possible explanation.
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