Well you can bet your bottom dollar the Israel lobby has already gone to work on him. And you can bet your bottom dollar that plans are in place already to slander and destroy the reputations of the crop of people who won the EU elections. If they can survive that or if the people see through it, then you could actually have some kind of change.
On the other hand, if these people are coming in to office just because they want power too, then they'll be bought off too. So, third parties can be bought off just like the first two parties. So you really, like I said, it comes back to what is the moral fiber of the people, of the culture, and how much will they put up with. And if they will put up with anything which is what the American people by and large seem willing to do, then you can't get change.
R.K.: Alright, I'm going to move on. I've got two more issues that I want to talk about.
PCR: You know, this is going to be a very long program. We've been on for an hour.
R.K.: I'm going to break it into more than one. So another issue that's come up since we spoke last is Ed Snowden and the disclosures about NSA and our surveillance state. What's your take on Ed Snowden and NSA and how it's effecting Americans in the world?
PCR: Well, Snowden didn't tell us anything that we didn't already know. William Binney had already told us everything. William Binney is the one who designed the spy system for NSA. He designed it, put it into operation. And then, when he saw how they were using it, which was illegally, unconstitutionally, for bribery, for blackmail, for corporate business interests and that very little of this spy system was directed at foreign threats, but was directed at every American's email, credit card purchase, internet site visited, blah blah blah.
He said, wow, why did I make this thing for them? Then he went public and said they're spying on everybody. Everybody. Their allies, their congress, the judges, their own federal agencies. Even the CIA director, remember? That's how they got Petraeus out. They found out he had an extramarital affair and they used that to get him out. So he told everybody, well, the only difference between him and Snowden is that he didn't take any documents to prove it.
He thought that his word would suffice because he was a high official and he had designed the system and knew everything about it. And the government said, oh, he's just some sort of disgruntled guy. He didn't get promoted and he has mental problems. So, nobody paid any attention. So, Snowden saw all of this and said, well, I am a nobody compared to him. If I simply tell them, it won't do any good so what I'm going to do is I am going to take all the documents and prove it.
Well, they tried to prosecute to Binney, but they couldn't because they couldn't say that he had stolen anything. He hadn't taken a single document. Well ,Snowden apparently took a million of them or so and so how they are trying to counteract Snowden is to say, oh, he is a spy. He's a thief. He stole. You can't believe him. You can't believe a spy and a thief. He works for the Chinese. He works for the Russians and a lot of people, particularly journalists, are VERY jealous of all of the attention Snowden and Greenwald have gotten.
They can't stand it. They're green with envy in fact the envy has turned to hatred. They hate Greenwald and they hate Snowden. Look at all the attention they got. And then the political tribe...
R.K.: Wait, who hates Greenwald and Snowden?
PCR: All of them. Michael Kinsley wants him prosecuted, arrested. It's endless. All you got to do is read, Rob. They're always denouncing Greenwald and Snowden and Julian Assange. Julian Assange now every time some journalist mentions him it's always the sex offender or something. There's never been any sex charge brought against him. The initial ones that were brought were dismissed by the Swedish prosecutor.
They said, this is bullshit. There's no case. This was consensual on the part of the women that they admitted themselves. So, but they always... but Washington got another prosecutor. Not to bring charges, there are no charges outstanding against Julian Assange, none. What this prosecutor did was something unique. They said, we want him extradited for questioning. Nobody has ever been extradited for questioning. Okay, I'll come here. I'm right here in the embassy and you can come and I'll let you question me. And everybody knows that the prosecutor is going to, if she can grab him, she's going to turn him over to the Americans and they're going to waterboard him until he confesses he is a spy. The support for this among other journalists is very high. They don't like Assange. They don't like Greenwald and Greenwald is always having to defend himself. And Snowden, when Snowden was on that TV thing the other day, the most important part of the discussion was cut out. I think you can go online and find it, but they always set these guys up as much as they can. So, you know, that's... it's just jealousy. It's professional jealousy. It's, oh, he's getting so much attention! Why isn't somebody paying attention to me? That's the way it works.
R.K.: Well you know, just to get back to what you said about Binney. I met Bill Binney, had dinner with him, had him on my radio show. He is a heroic guy. He really is. He basically said that he is dedicating the rest of his life to exposing the NSA for what they're doing and trying to right the wrongs, but he also said that if Snowden had tried to reveal what was going on within the United States, he would have been arrested. He couldn't do what Binney did.
PCR: That's right because Binney didn't take any documents. And Snowden took the documents in order to prove that this was happening. See nobody would believe Binney. They said, where is the proof? Where is the evidence? He said, well, I'm telling you. So Snowden had seen all of this and so when he saw the same thing happening, he said, well, they'll never believe anybody. You've got to have the documents.
R.K.: And beyond that, they lied. I mean, Clapper went to Congress and lied, blatantly lied about what they were doing.
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