K.S.: What we learn is the form. What we learn is that they have created a system that makes the banks and the corporations happy. And they've succeeded in bankrupting the whole southern half of Europe. And in fact not doing so good in the northern half, except in Germany, which was always strong and will always be strong. But I can't say that anybody could declare that a happy success, the European Union.
And as to having all power located in Brussels, I think a great many Europeans have grown quite unhappy and restless with that idea. But that's, that is the condition. Greece can't do anything that it wants to do. Spain is limited. Portugal! The rest of them, it hasn't proven to be such a great success, combining, getting bigger.
And I think that's becoming more and more clear and I think that the Euro, which is the engine of that unification and the pleasure of the bankers, is a shaky currency that you might not want to put your money in. I've put my money into Swiss Francs, myself. So, just want you to know that's where my actions have me to" and I wouldn't go into the Euro.
R.K.: Alright. So...
K.S.: I think, I was just going to say that I think maybe the crisis in the Ukraine will show again the difficulties with the EU and its inability to do anything about Russian invasion of Crimea, or takeover of Crimea. And it is beholden to Russia for much of its energy. And so it's not going to be doing anything there. And it has no other kind of power. It has no military, or diplomatic power of any consequence.
R.K.: Okay.
K.S.: But you were going on.
R.K.: Well, yeah. I think it's a really interesting concept. I think it's one more neat idea to put out there. Where I've gone, in my pursuit of trying to look at the world from a more bottom up perspective, is I got started looking at it when Obama beat Hillary Clinton in one of the most powerful, top-down campaigns in history and he did it with a bottom-up collection of technologies and approaches and there are all these big giant companies now.
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