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Machiavelli on Changing a Government sparks Brilliant Dialogue in Facebook Group, Intellectual Discussions

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Message Maurice Webster

We have to face the fact that without patronizing the intellectually-challenged among us, we have to engage with them, at their level, who cannot extrapolate complex information in an unbiased or prejudicial manner.

The pie-crust promise to build a wall between the US and Mexico is a case in point - the fired-up masses believe that a wall is a great idea, despite the history of the now practically forgotten Berlin wall and the walls in Israel, their costs in terms of financial upkeep and human suffering, which Trump conveniently omitted to mention; nor did his opponents effectively ridicule his outrageous promises in terms his voters could understand.

It's not beyond anyone's understanding then, that many who have not been educated about Berlin, Israel & Palestine or History generally, could vote for Trump. To overcome populism, has also become a huge challenge for many governments elsewhere in the world. Excluding people from a good education has led to this debacle, so reading Machiavelli seems rather like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. Some other wisdom will have to be found.

Todd Mason:

Well, how could a poor hapless history major like me ever possibly understand the concepts that you have laid out? So since you have made up your mind that half of America is completely and utterly intellectually challenged and incapable of making sound decisions or comprehending what government should be. Perhaps you could write it in a Dr. Seuss format so us simpletons can understand our place in your world. That is if we have a place in your world.

Obviously had your side won the last election the new Democratic leader would not have ratified all the legislation that has been completed from the executive branch and of course you would never have sought to load SCOTUS with as many young liberal judges as possible. I'm sure you would not have completely socialized medicine into a single payer program and would never place your party into such a position that they didn't use things like the IRS to circumvent the other parties fund raising. Liberals, of course, would never seek to redistrict the vote and are completely above gerrymandering for themselves. No, of course, they wouldn't, Liberals are the keepers of all that is sacred and good and would never abuse power themselves.

Apparently, all we have to do then is wait for the blessed Liberals to have their chance again and perhaps this time you can proceed with your socialist agenda, and much like Chairman Mao you can then see to it that the opposition just starves itself to death. Oh, wait that would be Machiavellian, sorry I know liberals are above such things.

Perhaps you could just take over the education system and reprogram the U.S. from youth that capitalism is bad and that government is good. No, no, wait Liberals would never re-write history for their own benefit and make it almost impossible for our schools to foster the idea of debate and that a balance of power is a good thing, sorry.

I am so sorry, I keep running into that wall that I know Liberals would never allow themselves to go past. If we just took all the money from the rich and redistributed it evenly we would all be happy and our socialistic society would never want for anything ever again because socialism always succeeds and thrives and people believe bread lines are good things and they have no problem with living a life where 90% of the population has to stand in them while the last 10% live in palatial style living because they are part of the ruling class. Our economy is too large to ever run out of the riches we seized from those evil ones who only have what they have because they are all Republicans.

OK, I do apologize a little bit, I realize that I am laying the sarcasm on a bit heavy. But the point is still valid, the end result of any one party having to much power will never be a Utopian society, it will be just as corrupt as the other parties grab for power would be. The U.S. did not elect Donald Trump out of ignorance, or for that matter because they believed that all his ideas were good, and especially not because he would become this masterful statesman who would speak to the masses and they would swoon over his lilting prose.

The United States elected him because they saw the balance of power was about to shift a step beyond normal to the liberal progressive agenda and that this next shift would result in an imbalance for generations to come if not indeed a Machiavellian takeover. The whole purpose of our flawed system is to ensure that no party can assume to much power. The direction of circumventing the Constitution and legislation from the executive was proof that we were shifting too far to one side.

As an educated conservative I would no more want Republicans to have that much power as well, and I am no more joyful about them having control of all 3 bodies any more than I was about Dems having it when President Obama was elected.

If you are truly educated, have wisdom and know your history you know that only through debate, compromise and cooperation can this country ever truly succeed in evolving into what we designed it to be and what we all hope it can become. Unfortunately, the true ignorance comes in the form of our current party mindset that only this party is good, and the other wicked. Our failure as a people is allowing them to sit in their elitist mentality that they do not have to work together and compromise we just need to wait for our time so we can stack the deck and manipulate a takeover.

Be careful of anyone or any organization that states only we will bring order from the chaos. That those who oppose us are the enemy and are responsible for all that is wrong in this world, if you can not you will find that you have become part of a cult and most likely find that you followed like sheep to the proverbial Kool-Aid and that those that you put so much dear faith in had the same agenda overall themselves "to change the form of government in a state" or in the words of our current President, to fundamentally change our society. Do we want our fundamentals to change or do we want our government to just work as it was designed, albeit hopefully in a far more efficient and united form than it currently does?

I hope you have the years and wisdom to see that truth if so we can bridge this gap and together we can make a difference.

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Mr. Webster is a 90 year-old retired math teacher who taught for over 30 years. He was the director of an alternative public high school program. He has a BS from the Institute of Design, Chicago and an Ms (math) from the Illinois Institute of (more...)
 
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