Kall: That’s okay when I’m downline. (?) [not on radio]
Korten: I better be careful when I’m-- when we’re on live radio. Yeah. But, yeah, you know, what I see now is that what we’re dealing with is an interplay. I mean, it’s not really bad people or evil people in a sense, it’s people who are deeply psychologically disturbed. And whose development never followed through that arc.
They’re stuck in the early stage of that arc, which, you know, from the standpoint of developmental psychology, is the basic kind of perceptual orientation of a six to twelve year old. Which, in that age group, is not necessarily bad, it’s just a natural part of our development.
Of course, that’s why we need parents. To provide us with guidance, but if people remain stuck in that mode into adulthood, then you’ve got your George Bushes and your Dick Cheneys and Ashcrofts and all these characters, who absolutely should not be in positions of power. But are the ones who are most willing to engage in the absolutely brutal competition to achieve those positions of absolute power.
Kall: And it’s this competition, as compared to partnership, that is one of the key differences that you describe in the post-corporate world, though, I think. Right?
Korten: Um, well, yeah. It’s much more clear in "The Great Turning", but yes, absolutely. Um…
Kall: I mixed them up.
Korten: Yeah.
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