Paul Craig Roberts: Yeah.
Well, that's a good term. That's a good term for it.
Rob Kall: So
you don't sound very hopeful?
Paul Craig Roberts: Well
it's hard to be hopeful if you" understand what's going on, and you see how
it's intentionally just avoided, and how the news stays away from it. And how
even the academics are, most of them, are afraid to mention it because their
grants to the department from the corporations will go down. And they're get
hounded by their colleagues and told to shut up and" you see its kind of like
Marx said, as you know, money turns everything into a commodity'. Everything ends
up bought and sold-- honor, truth, justice. And I think that's what's happening
to us, that we're" I don't mean that we were ever pure, anything like that" but
I think that" the constraints of all bad behavior and bad decisions, have
fallen away to the point that that's all you can get now, is bad behavior, bad
decisions. They're probable"
Rob Kall: [interjecting]
Now" I believe" I call my radio show "The Bottom-Up Radio Show', because I
believe that we're in a transition stage from a "top-down' to a "bottom-up'
world. That for a million years, humans in tribal indigenous cultures were
bottom-up primarily in the way they related with each other. Then agricultural and
civilization came along, and brought about centralization and hierarchy, and
top-down forces that took over and dominated the world. And that now the
internet is changing things around. I think that there are huge forces at work
that are bottom-up and that offer some hope, but I also think that the top-down
powers are going to fight harder than ever to hold onto and consolidate their
powers. The occupied Wall Street movement, the Arab Spring are examples of how
some big powers have actually been toppled and taken down. Although of course
in some cases, they did not use those changes in ways that we'd have liked to
have seen.
What do you think about all that?
Paul Craig Roberts: Well,
I think of that you say is" is the model that's operating now. you know. I
think the trouble, with being very hopeful about the success of bottom-up is that
it's un-organized. And the powers to be now are putting in place, legislation, and that's controlling the internet. In other words, if they
decide for example, that a website has impermissible information on it, then it
simply gets banned from the internet. So that they can" what they're" what
they're working now is taking over the internet the way they've taken over the
print and TV media. That, what get's printed is what they approve of, or fits
the storylines. So I don't think we can count on the internet keeping its
independence, because the powers that be have learned that it's a threat, and
so they will move against it, and they've got the power to do that. And they'll
find" what they'll do they'll tell us they're doing this to protect the internet'.
And umh most people will suddenly say, "oh yeah, we've got to be protected on
the internet!' "We've got to be protected from terrorists, so we have to give
up all our rights'.
So I don't" I'm not too optimistic that" that that
part will succeed. And also we see the control mechanisms from the top are
getting more and more aggressive and intimidating. The, the "drones' that are
now being issued to local police departments. So that, you know, the local
police departments now can spy on whoever they want with these drones and
assassinate and eliminate whoever they want with the drones. And this is a
fantastic control mechanism, and which completely negates the Second Amendment.
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