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Podcast    H1'ed 6/29/17

John Kiriakou Bad-Ass Whistleblower Spy Talks Spytrade

Broadcast 6/29/2017 at 12:15 PM EDT (40 Listens, 29 Downloads, 2281 Itunes)
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John Kiriakou is a former spy and a whistleblower-- he worked for the CIA and was involved in the capture of Abu Zubaida. Then, he was a counter-terrorism consultant for ABC. He's the author of The Reluctant Spy; My Secret Life in the CIA's war on Terror, and the Convenient Terrorist: Abu Zubaydah and the Weird Wonderland of America's Secret Wars.

His newest book is Doing Time Like a Spy, How the CIA Taught me to survive and thrive in a prison.

John did time in prison for blowing the whistle on the CIA's use of torture.

Before that, he was a star in the CIA who briefed Presidents, cabinet members, foreign leaders and members of congress.

Special Operations Training Course

What are some of the basics of the training as a spy?

Surveillance, counter surveillance

What were the most valuable skills you learned-- that other non-spies could benefit from, that you used in prison

Tell us about The Farm

What did you learn from being in prison?

I suggest he contact Orange is the New Black. He replies that Piper Kerman and he email back and forth and she's a big supporter.

This book started as articles-- a series-- Letters From Lorretto. I'm surprised you were allowed to write and be published while you were in prison. Can any prisoner do that? Give advice to prisoners who want to write

You talk in the book, Doing Time Like A Spy, about rules. What are the rules?

One is ""if stability is not to your benefit, chaos is your friend."

Another-- don't trust anybody

Another: don't admit to anything

The book presents what you learned to thrive in prison.

What did you learn in prison that people can use in their lives?

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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect, connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media. 

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He is the author of The Bottom-up Revolution; Mastering the Emerging World of Connectivity

He's given talks and workshops to Fortune 500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful people on his Bottom Up Radio Show, and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and opinion sites,

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet (more...)

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