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Interview With Whistle Blower Robert MacLean After His Supreme Court Win

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Robert Maclean was an air marshall. He blew the whistle when TSA made a really bad call, so bad, that once congress found out about it, they rectified it right away. But TSA has tried to destroy MacLean. I met him six or seven years ago, when we were working together, talking to members of congress, advocating for improved whistleblower protection laws.

Rough Interview Notes:

Supreme Court Supports Whistleblower-- Sans Sotomayor

Supreme court ruled that a violation of an agency law or regulation does not hold the same weight of breaking the law.

July 2003-- disclosure supported by HIllary Clinton, John Kerry, and many others in congress.

TSA-- charged with unauthorized disclosure of security information.

Accused of most heinous act, but for five months allowed him to continue to have access to classified information.

Court of appeals ruled TSA was within its power but--

Merit systems protection board-- system within federal executive branch reviews personnel matters--

Bush and Obama appointed boards ruled against him.

Federal circuit appeals court ruled in his favor.

Admin appealed

He appealed and won again.

Govt appealed to supreme court-- he won 7 to 2

Rob: What did Sotomayor say? How did she justify her dissent?

Rob: So you've won in the supreme court. Now what?

agency admitted it made a mistake, at end of the day, they ruled that their plan was a mistake and members were in outrage about their plan.

Rob: What is left for you to get your life back?

Rob: will you get your job back? Will they pay you back?

Rob: what is the precedent that they are trying to argue for.?

ONe of their regulations holds the same weight as the law--

Rob: this is like a catch 22-- they destroy you financial and then because of your financial situation, they won't give you a security clearance.

Rob: What have you been doing in the past twelve or thirteen years.

Rob: What happens in the best case scenario?

Rob: is there a possibility that you'll get the back pay after all these years?

Rob: who did your legal work.

Thomas Devine and the Government Accountability project

Rob: How do they get paid?

It's considered economic damages

Rob: Tom Devine is a great guy

Rob: what's it like when you're t old you did heinous things and you thought you did the right thing?

Rob: How did it go with your family and friends?

Rob: would you do it again?


Rob: Has your journey taught you anything?

You know who your real friends are and the value of family.

Rob: has your process you've gone through had any affect on the law, on policy.

yes-- a whistleblower now doesn't have to worry about violating

Rob: are there any whistleblowers whose cases might be affected by the decision on your case?

border patrol agents

Rob: you mentioned several times that they retroactively classified".

andrew colsky

Rob: what was the committee report

google his name, Andrew colsky, oversight committee, Issued may 29 of last year-- joint staff report.

Rob: what would you sat to someone considering becoming a whistleblower?

Rob: are you saying that you did it because it was what you were paid to do?

I had an oath-- swear to protect human life and property and risk their life to do so.

Twitter handle @rjmaclean

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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect, connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media. 

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He is the author of The Bottom-up Revolution; Mastering the Emerging World of Connectivity  

He's given talks and workshops to Fortune 500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful people on his Bottom Up Radio Show, and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and opinion sites,

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization (more...)

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