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April 17, 2008 at 06:24:21

Headlined on 4/17/08:
51 to 11: The Odds That ABC Knows How To Run A Presidential Debate

by steve young     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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I sat at my press seat at the Philadelphia Kimmel Center checking my watch.  It was either running fast or I had been swept into a space time-continuum that was about to swallow up any semblance of a learning experience.
Unfortunately, it was the latter.
It took fifty-two minutes before ABC anchor and debate moderator, Charlie Gibson, decided to ask an actual policy question.  The fifty-one minutes prior were filled with questions concerning verbal gaffes, personal associations and whether each candidate would select each candidate as their Vice President (which anyone with half a moderator's mind would know how the candidates would answer).
The first policy question of policy concerned Iraq and that tit-for-tat lasted exactly eleven minutes.
51 to 11.
51 minutes involving Reverend Wright, William Ayers, flag pins and Bosnia fables.
11 minutes on how to deal with what had cost hundred of thousands of deaths, hundreds of billions in dollars and devastation of out military readiness
51 to 11
Major issue asymmetry or the odds against the country making an intelligent decision for President?
51 to 11
Important presidential debate?  More like talk radio minutia.  Somewhere at FoxNews, my buddy Sean Hannity had to be popping champagne.  He and the rest of Lords of Loud had shaped the Democratic debate.  No fault of Hannity.  He's just doing his job.  Too bad Gibson and Stephanopolis didn't do theirs.
51 to 11
An insult to intelligence, the American voter and time.
Steve Young is author of "Great Failures of the Extremely Successful" (www.greatfailure.com) that now needs an extra chapter to cover last night.

 

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A talk show host, author, columnist,award-winning television writer and filmmaker, his inspiring book, "Great Failures of the Extremely Successful" (Tallfellow Press) has been published internationally and has become required reading in the Wharton School of Business Masters Program. His "All The News That's Fit To Spoof " column appears every Sunday on the L.A. Daily News Oped Page. Steve has appeared all over national TV and radio with his unique brand of satirical punditry and social observations appearing in national periodicals from the Los Angeles Times and The New York Times, to his own weekly Internet column "The Lords Of Loud," at AlbionMonitor.net and The Huffington Post.

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Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."
John Sanchez Jr.Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Yes

And the proceedings ween't improved for having been bounced off a satellite.

I guess the Fox had a baby, and named it ABC.

by John Sanchez Jr. (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 833 comments) on Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 7:25:07 AM
 


I'm a 63-year-old retired teacher and curriculum director. I retired after 29 years in education. My husband is a semi-retired veterinarian. We raise paso fino horses and gaited mules in Northeast Missouri. Our four children range from age 30-36 and we have 3 young grand-daughters. We have a 35" pony for them to ride. I have developed and maintain our horse and mule website, which includes information, pictures, and videos. I collect certain glass, china, and pottery lines via my addiction...

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Bonnie NiebrueggeI'm a 63-year-old retired teacher and curriculum director. I retired after 29 years in education. My husband is a semi-retired veterinarian. We raise paso fino horses and gaited mules in Northeast Missouri. Our four children range from age 30-36 and we have 3 young grand-daughters. We have a 35" pony for them to ride. I have developed and maintain our horse and mule website, which includes information, pictures, and videos. I collect certain glass, china, and pottery lines via my addiction...

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Irrelevant Questions - Moderators' Terrible Job

I became so angry with the irrelevant questions that Charles G. and George S. were asking that I turned off the "debate."  I was disgusted when George jumped on Obama's "disown" word choice.  These moderators focused on the same old sludge rather than on the monumental problems we face.  It will take a concerted and united boycott of this type of "news" coverage to get through to the cable and regular networks. 

by Bonnie Niebruegge (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 7:32:08 AM
 


Sandy Sand began her writing career while raising three children and doing public relations work for Women's American ORT (Organization for Rehabilitation through Training). That led to a job as a reporter for the San Fernando Valley Chronicle, a weekly publication in Canoga Park, California. In conjunction with the Chronicle, she broadcast a tri-weekly, ten minuted newscast for KGOE AM. Following the closure of the Chronicle, Sand became the editor of the Tolucan Times and Canyon Crier newspape...

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Sandy SandSandy Sand began her writing career while raising three children and doing public relations work for Women's American ORT (Organization for Rehabilitation through Training). That led to a job as a reporter for the San Fernando Valley Chronicle, a weekly publication in Canoga Park, California. In conjunction with the Chronicle, she broadcast a tri-weekly, ten minuted newscast for KGOE AM. Following the closure of the Chronicle, Sand became the editor of the Tolucan Times and Canyon Crier newspape...

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Lucked out on the Left Coast

We didn't get it live, but a rerun at 8 p.m.

I didn't have to bother watching it, besides the Dodgers were on, because by then, Keith Olbermann had told us what happened, and if he were allowed to swear on air, I'm sure he would have said, what bull crap!

We deserve so much better.

 

by Sandy Sand (129 articles, 0 quicklinks, 145 diaries, 1127 comments) on Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 9:29:53 AM
 


Baby Boomer computer Geekess who doesn't want to spend her 'golden' years living as a bag lady. Thanks Bush and your criminal cronies for making a hard working American poorer while you get richer and drag my beloved country to unimagined lows. But, keeping the masses' attention focused on basic survival needs keeps them too occupied to fight the erosion of their Constitutional rights. That is part of the Plan, isn't it? Or...maybe you aren't smart enough to have a Plan other than to rape and pi...

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Hope HofmannBaby Boomer computer Geekess who doesn't want to spend her 'golden' years living as a bag lady. Thanks Bush and your criminal cronies for making a hard working American poorer while you get richer and drag my beloved country to unimagined lows. But, keeping the masses' attention focused on basic survival needs keeps them too occupied to fight the erosion of their Constitutional rights. That is part of the Plan, isn't it? Or...maybe you aren't smart enough to have a Plan other than to rape and pi...

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Did I learn anything new?

No, I didn't. The time wasted with nonsense including the ridiculous video taped question of a woman asking why Obama didn't wear an American flag pin (this is what concerns most Americans?!) precluded discussion of the meaty important issues facing this nation. The moderaters were contentious. Hillary's comments on the manufactured non-issue Bittergate showed hypocrisy compared to her weak defense of her Bosnian gunfire fable. I respected Obama's composure and many attempts to talk about the real issues. I thought it strange that Charlie cut off Hillary's jabs at Cheney. The whole thing had the feel of two children being questioned in the principal's office. It was a waste of my time.

by Hope Hofmann (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 9:35:42 AM
 


Laurence A.Toenjes is retired from the University of Houston ?s Department of Sociology where he was a researcher with The Sociology of Education Research Group. Toenjes received his doctorate in economics from Southern Illinois University.
Laurence A. ToenjesLaurence A.Toenjes is retired from the University of Houston ?s Department of Sociology where he was a researcher with The Sociology of Education Research Group. Toenjes received his doctorate in economics from Southern Illinois University.

Sen. Joseph McCarthy would be proud

ABC's Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos turned what should have been a serious political debate into a caricature of the worst in media-driven politics.  I completely lost all respect for both of them. Sen. Joseph McCarthy could not have done a more complete hatchet job on Sen. Obama in trying to tie the alleged sins of some of his acquaintances to him.

 I was also appalled at their attempts to interject themselves into the campaign by their repeated tries to get both candidates to take a zero-tolerance no-tax increase pledge. This is one of the oldest and cheapest ploys, and is especially inappropriate coming during an unnecessary, unjust war that is being financed by federal deficits. Gibson and Stephanopoulos should show the same determination to force John McCain to take a "no more preemptive wars" pledge, or to force the leaders of Israel to take a "no more settlements" pledge.

by Laurence A. Toenjes (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 18 comments) on Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 9:49:01 AM
 


Rob Kall is executive editor and publisher of OpEdNews.com, President of Futurehealth, Inc, inventor . He is a frequent Speaker on Politics, Impeachment, The art, science and power of story, heroes and the hero's journey, Positive Psychology, Stress, Biofeedback and a wide range of subjects. He is a campaign consultant specializing in tapping the power of stories for issue positioning, stump speeches and debates. He recently retired as organizer of several conferences, including StoryCon, the Su...

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Rob KallRob Kall is executive editor and publisher of OpEdNews.com, President of Futurehealth, Inc, inventor . He is a frequent Speaker on Politics, Impeachment, The art, science and power of story, heroes and the hero's journey, Positive Psychology, Stress, Biofeedback and a wide range of subjects. He is a campaign consultant specializing in tapping the power of stories for issue positioning, stump speeches and debates. He recently retired as organizer of several conferences, including StoryCon, the Su...

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Garbage corpstream media

Shameful, worthless meda. ABC should not be forgotten as future debates are planned beteen the DNC and GOP candidates.

But let us not forget that Hillary could have spoken up and shut this down. Obama tried to, repeatedly anwering briefly and then trying to take the discussion to a higher, policy level.

Afterwards, the Hillary people in the spin room bragged how well Hillary did. At what? sitting quietly while ABC did a hit job on Obama?  

Simply the idea of putting a former Clinton staffer in the position of asking questions of Obama was totally unethical and inappropriate. Perhaps someone argued that Stephanopolous would operate with integrity. I'll leve it to you to decide if he did or not.

rob

by Rob Kall (722 articles, 3752 quicklinks, 305 diaries, 1492 comments) on Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 11:00:54 AM
 


Dyslexic, agnostic insomniac - laying awake at night, wondering if there really is a Dog.
In the past, I Voted for the "Best Candidate" including Hatfield, Packwood, McCall - all Republicans.
Statement -I will never, ever vote for another Republican for ANY office since these lying bastards took control in 1994 and showed their true colors!

Rufus2Dyslexic, agnostic insomniac - laying awake at night, wondering if there really is a Dog.
In the past, I Voted for the "Best Candidate" including Hatfield, Packwood, McCall - all Republicans.
Statement -I will never, ever vote for another Republican for ANY office since these lying bastards took control in 1994 and showed their true colors!

It's past the time to boycott the National News on ABC, etc,

Progressives should just boycott the national news broadcasts on ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN.  It's pretty well established that we aren't getting any REAL news, only corporate-approved news anyway from this group.  If we're not watching this crap, we're also not seeing the "ask your doctor", big pharma ads.  I can't help but believe that losing 10 million or so nightly viewers on those 4 TV channels would cause a flap somewhere in their financial world. 

by Rufus2 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 3:15:38 PM
 


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Karl Rove...

Did anybody smell a "Rove" in the debate?

Seemed the questions were right down Rove-tactical methods... 

 

by (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 18 comments) on Friday, April 18, 2008 at 2:23:15 AM
 


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Angie PrattEditor, Politicalposts.com.

Boo Woo

Boo Woo.

Obama (and you) can dish it out but can't take it.

I for one wanted those questioned asked and I wanted to see his answers.

You're upset because his answers weren't very good.  Golden boy isn't so golden. 

Obama is Kerry and Dukakis and McGovern all rolled up into one.

by Angie Pratt (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments) on Friday, April 18, 2008 at 10:15:13 AM
 

 

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