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May 12, 2008 at 13:51:05

Headlined on 5/12/08:
Slimy Love 4: In Your Face. A Monologue Of An Angry Jew

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The inspiration for the monologue came from the Discussion Diary entry by Steven Leser:

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=7326

From the author:

I don’t like him. Sometimes I don’t like him at all. We argue all the time. But he never quits. He comes to me during my insomnia and he says that stuff again and again. When I tell him to shut up he whispers. I can’t get rid of him. So I share him. Here he is.

When I was a teenager in Russia I had a dream. That dream was to switch on the radio in the morning and not to hear about the Jews. I had a dream to pass the newspaper stand where the people would discuss the news and not to hear the Jewish issue. I had a dream to come to school and not to hear from our political gurus anything about Israel or the Jews. It was a dream of a tired old man in a body of a teenager. Teenagers should not have such dreams. They should have dreams about girls or boys, about bikes, about music, about movie heroes. They should be happy. That dream was a dream of an unhappy man. I am unhappy since. Unhappy people are frequently very angry. They keep their angst under control, especially if the society does not care and there is a limited freedom of expression. But God works in mysterious ways and when a person immigrates to the USA, here freedom of expression is paramount. I came here to rest but then I turned on the TV and I heard the same tune. Oh, yes, this time it was just a discussion. Everything can be discussed in America; there is nothing sacred, so why would the Jews be an exception? Of course, not. But here I can add my voice to the discussion. And my angst too.

So, you, my dear folks do not like the Jewish influence? You seem to even make lists of all those people with the Jewish names who are rich, influential and help their kind while not giving a damn about the country? You complain about them bastards? How touchy. If we look deeper though you complain about some people who belong to a specific ethnicity, happen to be successful, bastards as they are, and they also promote their interests at whatever costs. What? That seems like an America to me. Isn’t it what is trumpeted on every corner, promoted by every show? Be ruthless, work hard, become successful, don’t give a damn, enjoy being a bastard? Isn’t that what our women desire- a man has to be handsome, ruthless and stupid? Ok, many of those men are not handsome but as for two other qualities- they are good at that. And they happen to be Jewish? So what? They do what ANY American dreams to do and if it hurts the country-tell it to your representatives when they go on the take. They don’t have to sell their souls. If they do that they do that because they want to sell themselves. But if it is so, then it does not matter who buys them.

You, folks think like losers. Here are the bastards with the Jewish noses and you envy them. You would prefer to be deceived or handled by someone else. You are lazy racists. You cannot handle yourself; you let the idiots run the show and then you complain, ’Oh, boy, those Jews are bad.’ You can’t handle the competition, you, lazy bums. You know who said the same things you are saying now? The Nazis. Yes, they appealed to those German bums who could not handle a competition from those smart, adaptable, cosmopolitan, shrewd Jews who also happened to make better products and, God forbid, play politics too. So the Nazis complained about the ‘sacred traditions of the German craftsmanship’, about the Jews undermining the country for the cause of the International capital, about the Jews exploiting the good German workers. Of course, when they destroyed that competition they surely made the German workers happy by turning them into permanent slaves. It was a crock then and it is a crock now and you know that. You do not want the Jewish bastards to do it their way? Make it your way, try it on the open field. You do not like the bastards at the helm? No problem, help the honest people, Jews or not to take that helm. How nice would that be if you write that, ‘there is a lot of honest, hardworking Jewish people at the helm and our country benefits a lot.’ BTW, do you want that? Or maybe there is something else?

Oh, but there is something else. You don’t want to admit it but it is there, all right. You complain because those Jews, they don’t know their place. Or rather they do not want to know the place you defined for them. That media of yours, it pampers you big time: everyone should know his place and your place is on top of all. You have a place for the Jews but not in power. Jews must not tell you what to do; they must not use your tax money, they must not buy delegates, they must not screw the Treasury. All those activities you reserve for your whitie brethren of whatever North- European descent. As for Jews you want them to be entertainers and qualified servants. Jewish doctor, lawyer, movie producer, composer, engineer are OK. Jewish pundit, financier, tycoon, goon, politico, lobbyist- they are not cool. They exhibit too much power. What’s too much? Where the Hell is the limit? Who defined it? You want the Jews to be ‘strange people in big cities with goofy religion?’ Let them appear when convenient, have their Holy Holidays and die in the Holocaust? Oh, yes, I know where the limit comes from. It comes from the Holocaust- a US movie which hijacked the whole tragedy, gave it its own name and established a standard for  Jews adopted by Americans and Europeans for the years to come.

You see, according to the Holocaust and other unfortunate movies those Jews who died in that tragedy were terrfic people, all of them. They were victims because they were all nice, all religious, rather poor or not much into money, no greed, no malice, no adultery, no communism, no atheism, no agnostics, no Jewish homosexuals, no embezzlers- a perfect mosaic of ideal people somehow wiped out by the mad, evil Nazis. Hey, why didn’t you ever describe American Indians that way? Or how about Roma people? They perished in that fire too. But they were not clean, not cool and did not go to Heaven apparently, so your Holocaust industry considers them gone. No Roma in the history books for our impressionable children. Let them weep for the Jews and read the diary of Ann Frank between sexual intercourses and marijuana. Works good on the psyche.

Yes, you want us nice. But in reality those who died and those who killed were not that different. In fact they were very much alike. The victims of the Holocaust were not perfect; they did not have to be. And reality states as truth be told that in that genocide one group of ladies and gents killed another group of ladies and gents for one and one reason only: because they could. And they could because the third group of ladies and gents, the biggest one, the Good Christians with money and power, the ones which now weep the crocodile tears did not give a damn to stop that and even helped  the atrocity whenever they could. Oh yes, no matter what and who warned that group from heroic Stephan Lux who killed himself on the floor of League of Nations to the whole bunch of German (!) judiciary who emigrated in the 1930s and trumpeted the warning all over the world-no one cared and no one listened. That’s the lesson some people learned from that time and that’s why instead of the stupid name of Holocaust honest people in the world call it as a whole ‘The Extermination of the European Jews and Roma people by the Nazi Germans and their collaborators in the period from 1933 till 1945’. Eat your checkers. That’s how it has to be defined. Here is wisdom though. Those were not Roma and Jews who were killed. People killed their own.

Ok, so now you understand that we are not nice. And you do not like that. State of Israel is not nice. It has a standing army, it attacks its neighbors, it oppresses the Arabic population. How dare they? Not cool. I agree. It is not right. Israel has a lot of issues to solve. But hey, do you remember how it started? In 1948 after the war who cared for all those surviving Jews and Roma ( Roma are not even mentioned)? Any special commissions, special decisions, any justice mechanism on the level of property, any citizenship? There was a Marshall’s plan in effect coming; was there anything specific about help to resettle and compensate the Jewish people of Europe? Hardly. On the contrary, Jews were an embarrassment. They could sue anyone, even Vatican. They asked too many unfortunate questions. They were bad witnesses. They were too loud, too noisy too demanding, too uncool. No one cared about Roma but the Jews could not be ignored. And when Zionists came out and proposed to take care of ALL the Jews, it was a blessing for those SOBs who ran the show. Now you do not like Zionists. But at that time they were the only people in the West who took responsibility to provide a safe haven for the nation which was nearly wiped out by Genocide. No one else did that. Oh, yes, in the East there was Stalin. The triumphant dictator just said that he ‘did not have a Jewish issue’. For him they were as all other subjects and he was the Father of all. End of the story. But in the West the Zionists not only wanted to resettle the Jews- they wanted to make them a new nation ( under their ruling, of course), give them a new purpose, create a permanent Jewish state, the one and only place on Earth where a Jew could decide his destiny without looking at the goym, without fear, among his own kind. Such endeavor needed a FIGHT for it and they commissioned a fight for the Holy Land. For that they promised the SOBs not to ask difficult questions and not to sue Vatican. They promised to OWN all the Jews and make them a nation which only works for Israel. The SOBs were happy to oblige and sold the Arabic population of the Holy Land fair and square. Otherwise they would have to give every Jew the Passport of the World Citizen which would allow him/her to live and work anywhere through Europe, I suppose. No matter what you and me think about Zionists they fulfilled their promise: the Nation of Israel stands. It is not a good nation and it is not a bad nation. Nobody promised that. It is a nation though and before there wasn’t one. It did not come out the way it was proclaimed and it seems to have some insurmountable problems but it is there. And that is a good thing.

You do not like them? Did you help them to become better? You did not care for those Arabs killed in 1948 even when Einstein signed a letter of concern. You did not care for them in 1950s. When Israel started to squeeze the Jews from the former Soviet Union you were happy. You never checked if people from the Soviet Union ever wanted to be ‘let go’. You did not care that in 1956 during the Hungarian uprising thousands of Hungarian Jews were killed. Better for Israel, right? Israel needed people, young people to fight its wars and it took them from even Ethiopia. You did not care if those people might prefer something else. You did not ask them. Israel took care of them, of all those unfortunate, smelly, poor, uneducated, miserable Jews ( in case of the Soviet Jews those were educated all right but not the way you wanted, right?) and Israel reeducated them so that they forgot their language and studied Hebrew and took guns (provided by you) and killed Arabs whom they had never heard of before. And you were happy and Zionists were happy and even Saudis were happy because the stench was not felt. The wind was blowing in a different direction and it was a smell of oil in the air.

Now the stench feels big time. Now there are millions of people at stake. Now there are casualties, terrorists, 1972 tragedy and 9/11 abomination. Now there is a wave of hate in the Middle East. And now you lament that ‘those people fight for 2000 years?’ What a crock of dung! Children do not fight for 2000 years. It was you; it was your leadership who poked and poked into that wound until it became a gangrene and now you dare to accuse the very people who have to deal with it on a daily basis of intolerance? Shame on you! How many of your crooks had benefited, how many young CIA operatives had founded their careers, how many movies were made, how many books written and HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED there for your entertainment, I wonder? Leave Israel alone. If you are honest about Peace, tell your leadership from the US and Europe to back off. Tell them to take their sticky fingers out and only send humanitarian help. Tell them to push Saudis to help the poor and disenfranchised and pay money, lots of money to all in the region to make peace. Tell them to stop chewing on the Jews and Arabs and GO F&%K themselves. That is a message for all , including GW.

Honesty is the best policy and it benefits all. Jews do not have to prove anything to anyone. They play the game exactly as everyone else. They are also capable of anything other people are capable of. Nobody has a right to state that he/she knows what the goodness is and what is badness. History judges only by the level of the honest effort and in the eyes of History Hitler, for instance would not be judged for his monstrosity; he would be judged because he was a LIAR. He did not have any real plan,only an illusion; he lied to his people and made them monsters.

This experience tells us all that none of us ever should start evaluating people, groups or nations from the pedestal of being better. None of us is better. Those of us who did not participate in the atrocities are JUST LUCKY. Please, stop chewing on the words, definitions, stop making lists and sniffing out the people from another tribe. There is no eternal goodness; there is just an eternal opportunity. We must create a society, work on it, the one which has alternatives, lots of them, choices, so that the bastards have to compete, fight for the positions, money, power with the good people and we have to help those good people while acknowledging that the bastards are paramount and they have no origin, no nationality, no roots. The bastards are eternal. So are we.

And from the author once again:

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A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest or join another flock in emigration. Those other birds could be cranes, storks or even crows. If he makes it he will become a rogue again. Whenever he goes and whatever he writes he never reaches a destination or enjoys a landing. There's only Kipling's God of Fair Beginnings and skies above and beyond. And the only way for a writer to make peace with the Deity is through the language of Poetry

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CSnet was born 1947 to a loving family in Haverford Pennsylvania, graduated from the same school as "War is a Racket" General Smedley Butler and has served variously as a railway brakeman and fireman, songwriter, audio technician, audio service company owner, sound reinforcement company owner, recording engineer, rock concert producer, database utility shareware author, software designer, consultant, loving husband, and servant of cats, who has lived in Petaluma California since 1987.

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5 Myths on Who's Really 'Pro-Israel'

After reading this diary entry by Mark and Steven's diary and comments, it is clearer than ever that an unseen emotional meter pegs when words that mean different things to different people are used carelessly. 

While it would be very good if everyone agreed on the definition of words, a perusal of any slang dictionary makes agreement unlikely.  Nevertheless, it is good work to keep insisting that we all define the meaning of our words when there is any question about them, not so much to correct each other, but to achieve communication so that we understand each other.

Here is an article from yesterday's Washington Post which I hope will illuminate 5 misconceptions that are a source of much concern.  I would hope we may all endeavor to speak as clearly with each other as the author of this article through whatever we write on OpEdNews or anywhere else.

by csnet (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 73 comments) on Monday, May 12, 2008 at 4:29:55 PM
 


Richard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.
Richard MynickRichard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.

Barbara, I'm afraid you're kidding yourself. What Mark is

presenting here is a complex & nuanced rumination over the relationships between Israel & the US-led West; & attitudes towards Jews in the West. In particular, he's focusing on the hypocrisy of certain very loud factions in the West who harshly criticize Israel (or sometimes "the Jews" or "the Zionists") without recognizing their own contribution (& their government's contribution) to what Israel has become; & without asking themselves what right they have to consider themselves any better than the Jews. (For instance, it's common to hear complaints about "Jewish influence" -- but no one ever hears about the far more pervasive "gentile influence." Presumably, then, it's somehow fine for gentiles to have influence; it's only a problem if someone else acquires influence -- even if they do so via the same economic rules.)

And as Mark says, this is only his "doppelganger" talking. While fully awake, Mark doesn't fully accept all the provocative views of his doppelganger -- though he concedes that sometimes, his not-so-likeable night-visiting double "has a point."

This is not at all what you express when you discuss Israel-Palestine. Whenever I've seen you write on this subject, you are squarely in the camp of Rachel Neuwirth, who has no sympathy whatsoever for the immense suffering of the Palestinians, & regards them merely as hate-crazed terrorists. You regularly deny the elementary facts of the situation. For example, in a typical post last summer you wrote, "Israel is not occupying the West Bank. Israel gave up the West Bank in a "trade land for peace" deal with the terrorists. ....If the "Palestinians" gave up violence and quit bombing Israel, there would be peace. If Israel quit defending itself, it would be destroyed. But I guess that if there are no Jews left in the Middle East, there would be peace also. Israel did not create the plight of the Palestinian people...."

The reason you are cheering for Mark's post today is simply that he's criticizing the hypocrisy of some of Israel's critics. But this is miles away from where you are.

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1065 comments) on Monday, May 12, 2008 at 9:40:52 PM
 


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csnetCSnet was born 1947 to a loving family in Haverford Pennsylvania, graduated from the same school as "War is a Racket" General Smedley Butler and has served variously as a railway brakeman and fireman, songwriter, audio technician, audio service company owner, sound reinforcement company owner, recording engineer, rock concert producer, database utility shareware author, software designer, consultant, loving husband, and servant of cats, who has lived in Petaluma California since 1987.

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What next, rebuttals from Groups who feel slighted?

There is still, in numerous posts, a tendency to defend various groups from criticism.  It is still too much like commercial sports, complete with cheerleading for the chosen team and bashing the opponent.

There are really great individuals, each believing a different religion on the planet, and great agnostics and atheists.  There is also unrepentant predatory criminal behavior found in others who also profess a love for their religion or a love for their not subscribing to any religion.

As always it is individuals who cause problems and it is individuals who create solutions.   Groups are an illusion created in the minds of the fearful and those who wish to manipulate the fearful.

Sure it's easier to try to pigeon hole billions of people into neat categories and then rank them.  Frankly, it is also incredibly stupid to do so because there is no rational basis upon which any presumptions can be made.  Every generation produces youth who rebel against the status quo because these individuals know that one size not only does not fit all, it does not fit at all.

Trying to ascribe any type of behavior to any group is a worthless practice that reinforces stereotypes and is usually done because fear caused by ignorance has replaced rational thought.  Any time spent in group contests seems a waste of precious time. 

There are individuals around the globe who are making life a living hell for hundreds of millions of people.  These individuals profess to subscribe to many religions known and unknown and some profess to subscribe to no religion.  They may or may not cooperate with each other to varying degrees.  I am certain they make no assumptions about any group behavior beyond the most general assumptions about the behavioral changes that come from depravation and torture.  The primary motivation for these individuals is domination / avoid domination.

As individuals they hold the individuals they may cooperate with from time to time accountable as individuals no matter what their religion or corporate entity.  The "corporation as individual" shielding many of these individuals enjoy protects them to no small degree in the legal system, but in the vast criminal network that dwarfs all historic attempts at civilization, their accountability is certain.

If we want to make a difference, let's forget about groups and concentrate on exposing the individuals who are destroying the United States as they have destroyed much of the world.

We could start with Sibel Edmonds’ State Secrets Privilege Gallery and expand to other individuals all around the globe who direct these individuals, and those who cooperate with or take orders from these individuals.

While the gallery shows individuals who are causing widespread damage, other individuals joining together with sufficient resolve are capable of stopping this damage.  Groups are unnecessary.

by csnet (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 73 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 3:06:46 AM
 


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Richard/etc. I hope I don't come across this way...

I consider myself pretty fair and open minded considering what is going on in the Middle East. You usually find me criticizing anyone who puts forward a one sided article or diary. I don't blame Israel or the Palestinians for the issues they are both experiencing, I blame both of them. I feel that way in general about most issues. Very rare in geopolitics is the situation where there is an obvious and complete 'bad guy' and an obvious and complete 'good guy'.

Some would point to my recent diary and say 'Oh, he just stuck up for Jews or raised issues about Zionism because he is ethnically Jewish". Those who read many of my comments on various issues know that is not the truth. I just happened to see a litany of anti-Jewish posts in a short period of time so I spoke up. I hope those familiar with my writing and comments will recall similar defenses of Arabs and Muslims when the right wingers who sometimes post here attacked them. I hope those familiar with my writing and comments will recall criticisms of both Obama (who I otherwise support) AND Clinton when they took actions or were silent in situations that were discriminatory toward the Gay Lesbian Bisexual & Transgendered community. Those are just a few examples. I do not only defend minority, religious or ethnic groups of which I am a member.

by Steven Leser (189 articles, 35 quicklinks, 32 diaries, 1291 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 7:12:07 AM
 


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Interesting

You wrote:

This is not at all what you express when you discuss Israel-Palestine. Whenever I've seen you write on this subject, you are squarely in the camp of Rachel Neuwirth, who has no sympathy whatsoever for the immense suffering of the Palestinians, & regards them merely as hate-crazed terrorists. You regularly deny the elementary facts of the situation. For example, in a typical post last summer you wrote, "Israel is not occupying the West Bank. Israel gave up the West Bank in a "trade land for peace" deal with the terrorists. ....If the "Palestinians" gave up violence and quit bombing Israel, there would be peace. If Israel quit defending itself, it would be destroyed. But I guess that if there are no Jews left in the Middle East, there would be peace also. Israel did not create the plight of the Palestinian people...."

The reason you are cheering for Mark's post today is simply that he's criticizing the hypocrisy of some of Israel's critics. But this is miles away from where you are.

 

Interesting that you have so conveniently pigeonholed me. It is also interesting that expressing sentiment for the Jewish victims of the political machinations of the power elite is not politically correct. So that you have a clear understanding of "where I am," let me explain.

The war in the Middle East between "Palestinians" and Israel is manufactured by the political leaders of both sides. Did you know that Yassir Arafat was an Illumaniti as well as Peres? Both on the same side, playing one end against the other. People, both Arabs and Jews, who are in the middle are suffering. What I hear is a lot of sympathy for the Arabs, and little for the Jews. When I run across something that is not hateful to Jews, I tend to gravitate towards it, and support it.

Ask yourself this - why, with its vast amount of oil money, doesn't Saudi Arabia send some of this money and alleviate the suffering of its fellow Arabs? I'll tell you why. Because it does not suite the power elite's purpose.

I am also against the indoctrination of a whole group of people in the hatred of another whole group of people. Arab textbooks, provided by the U.S., incite hatred and violence towards Jews. This is manufactured hatred! I have no problem with people who want to get along with each other. I do have a problem with people who want to incite others to hatred and violence in order to advance their own agenda.

So, pigeonhole me if you want, I really don't care. I am a Jew, and I love Israel. If this is offensive to you, so be it.

by Barbara Peterson (46 articles, 80 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 416 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 12:21:07 PM
 


Barbara H. Peterson is retired from the California Department of Corrections, where she worked as a Correctional Officer at Folsom Prison. She was one of the first females to work at the facility in this classification. After retirement, she went to college online to obtain a Bachelor's degree in Business, and graduated with honors.

The most valuable thing she received from her time with UOP was a realization that her life's passion is writing. Now her business degree sits in her d...

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Barbara PetersonBarbara H. Peterson is retired from the California Department of Corrections, where she worked as a Correctional Officer at Folsom Prison. She was one of the first females to work at the facility in this classification. After retirement, she went to college online to obtain a Bachelor's degree in Business, and graduated with honors.

The most valuable thing she received from her time with UOP was a realization that her life's passion is writing. Now her business degree sits in her d...

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Richard

Since you dug back to August 17, 2007 to quote me, I must say, I am flattered. However, if you are going to quote me, you might as well quote the rest of the paragraph:

In fact, most of the families whose houses and lives were destroyed because Jews are not welcome in Arab territories are still living in tents. If the "Palestinians" gave up violence and quit bombing Israel, there would be peace. If Israel quit defending itself, it would be destroyed. But I guess that if there are no Jews left in the Middle East, there would be peace also. Israel did not create the plight of the Palestinian people. The horrible condition that they live in was created by the Arab countries that believe that Israel has no right to exist. They are pawns being used in a planned modern-day holocaust to rid the Middle East of Israel and the "Jewish problem." Crushing a people and indoctrinating them in anti-semetic hatred since birth is a horrible way to treat one's own people.

And that is the rest of the story...

by Barbara Peterson (46 articles, 80 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 416 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 1:16:50 PM
 


digital programmer turned thought specialist, sorta: rocket surgeon.
meremarkdigital programmer turned thought specialist, sorta: rocket surgeon.

Article comment elsewhere. This one is personal.

Barbara, you're standing on my land of birth (the Oregon desert).  Please respect the veneration.

Oh, selfSense, let me not be nasty, yet let me be honest and forthright.

Richard Myrick's link to your last year's statements put you in an unrecoverable, irredeemable mire unbalanced.  In those statements, back and forth with Blue Pilgrim, your off-balance is apparent.

Not that Pilgrim, or Myrick, got the better of you, but that you have got the less of yourself.

The grain of your arguments/debate/propostions criss-crosses itself.  The confusion results in no grain, no consistency, no result.

I agree with Pilgrim saying you are undoubtedly a good and worthy person.  And I agree that your awareness of the tributaries of events and flow in history, is spotty and selective, not forming confluent sense.

While I continue and enjoy to read your writing, I have yet to find words which inform or persuade understanding.  Please continue contributing, something might gel, only this is my view so far.

A specific, or call it an 'example,' in my understanding 'Jewish' does not mean 'Israel' in the same sense that 'Protestant' does not mean 'America.'  Furthermore, Religion is not a genetic endowment, while religiosity is, (genetic).  I am a primitive and I believe primitivism, and that arises from this soil under this sun, what you might call an 'animist' or 'atheist,' and I uphold communication as the only means which ends territorial conflict and wars, and brings planetary peace and consciousness.  I pray for yours.

Absolving: I am guilty of each offense I charge of you.

 

by meremark (1 articles, 3 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 461 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 1:20:31 PM
 


Barbara H. Peterson is retired from the California Department of Corrections, where she worked as a Correctional Officer at Folsom Prison. She was one of the first females to work at the facility in this classification. After retirement, she went to college online to obtain a Bachelor's degree in Business, and graduated with honors.

The most valuable thing she received from her time with UOP was a realization that her life's passion is writing. Now her business degree sits in her d...

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Barbara PetersonBarbara H. Peterson is retired from the California Department of Corrections, where she worked as a Correctional Officer at Folsom Prison. She was one of the first females to work at the facility in this classification. After retirement, she went to college online to obtain a Bachelor's degree in Business, and graduated with honors.

The most valuable thing she received from her time with UOP was a realization that her life's passion is writing. Now her business degree sits in her d...

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Hi Meremark

You wrote:

While I continue and enjoy to read your writing, I have yet to find words which inform or persuade understanding.  Please continue contributing, something might gel, only this is my view so far.

I am glad you enjoy reading my writing, and can only hope that sometime in the future my words will begin to gel for you. It is difficult at best to convey to strangers the inner workings of one's mind, and attempts to do so are quite frequently not understood for the context in which they are meant. People have a tendency to categorize what they read according to filters accumulated during life that may or may not reflect the actual meaning of the words. As a writer, I can only hope to get better at breaking down these barriers in order to communicate more fully. Thank you for your comments :)

by Barbara Peterson (46 articles, 80 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 416 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 3:04:32 PM
 


An average Iranian.
Niloufar ParsiAn average Iranian.

Intriguing

Mark,

Intriguing article. Not sure I follow all of its nuances, but it sure makes one think. You should also include 'communists and the disabled' in the list of Nazi targets. They were treated every bit as nastily as the Jews and the Roma by Nazis and their collaborators.

keep it up! 

by Niloufar Parsi (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 73 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 3:31:01 AM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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To all the ports of call

I am profoundly relieved.  I have to admit that I was scared to open  this article of mine to see the comments.  I was expecting a barrage of passionate criticism although it was 'not me' technically speaking. What I found, though was  a very good, deep thread of discussion.  We learn every day.  I would encourage Ferdinand to have a look at my other ' Slimy loves'  to see  why this one   is the '4th'.  Also, I  would like to express gratitude to  others who  so far had picked on various aspects of the article. That was my goal first and foremost.    I appreciate the understanding.  In one of  our Russian movies a protagonist says ,'Happiness is when you are understood'. I am happy. It is my doppelganger which is not:)

There is one more thing: I wrote this article to convey the voice of those who  are either not heard or heard very infrequently.   Like those, who  committed suicide on my watch in 1989 in the refugee settlements  of the Russian Jews in Italy while waiting for the USA  take or not to take them. I was a refugee postman. I delivered the  permissions and rejections. I saw those eyes.  All of them wanted one thing- just to live somewhere and be left alone.  I am  the lucky one. Now it is my duty to speak.

by Mark Sashine (46 articles, 19 quicklinks, 234 diaries, 3348 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 7:35:00 AM
 


Sandy Sand began her writing career while raising three children and doing public relations work for Women's American ORT (Organization for Rehabilitation through Training). That led to a job as a reporter for the San Fernando Valley Chronicle, a weekly publication in Canoga Park, California. In conjunction with the Chronicle, she broadcast a tri-weekly, ten minuted newscast for KGOE AM. Following the closure of the Chronicle, Sand became the editor of the Tolucan Times and Canyon Crier newspape...

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Sandy SandSandy Sand began her writing career while raising three children and doing public relations work for Women's American ORT (Organization for Rehabilitation through Training). That led to a job as a reporter for the San Fernando Valley Chronicle, a weekly publication in Canoga Park, California. In conjunction with the Chronicle, she broadcast a tri-weekly, ten minuted newscast for KGOE AM. Following the closure of the Chronicle, Sand became the editor of the Tolucan Times and Canyon Crier newspape...

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Mark, that's what I expected, too

Like you, I thought there would be the usual slimy, hate-filled, loathsome comments by the same usual suspects. 

We all hope they took heart from Steve's diary, but we know better.

They probably sleep in, and all we have to do is wait for them to awaken.

by Sandy Sand (131 articles, 0 quicklinks, 161 diaries, 1210 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 9:04:21 AM
 


waldopaper is an insignificant teacher, informed reader and professional writer... living in dominionist crackerland... with two women, one young man, three cats and two dogs... alarmed at a failing state controlled by corporate psychopaths armed with nuclear weapons. There's a light on. Somebody's home.
waldopaperwaldopaper is an insignificant teacher, informed reader and professional writer... living in dominionist crackerland... with two women, one young man, three cats and two dogs... alarmed at a failing state controlled by corporate psychopaths armed with nuclear weapons. There's a light on. Somebody's home.

What do you expect...

... in a world where "Frontiers of Freedom" could actually be the gathering point for "Enemies of Democracy?" 

As the "commercial sports mentality" becomes the dominant selection pressure affecting language... you no longer have to know what anything means... just whether yer furrit or aginnit. 

Does this mean the word, "Jew" is becoming a Fnord?  Or more ironic...  a Shibboleth

 

by waldopaper (11 articles, 2 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 363 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 12:33:33 PM
 


concerned citizen of planet earth
erik mouseconcerned citizen of planet earth

Does 'Jew' mean race or religon or both?

Ok, I get it.  Jews have been singled out for persecution for over 2 millennia.  Jews have suffered untold atrocities at the hands of nearly every other people of the world.  But what is a 'Jew'?  Is it the religion or is it the race?  Or is it both?  The one thing that I have trouble settling with in my world view is - why is it that Israel is a Jewish state and that is good (theocracy?) and (fill in despised middle east country name here) is a Muslim state and that is bad (theocracy?)  Exclusionism based on religion or race is indefensible no matter who is perpetrating it.  And in no way does this question make me an anti-Semite.

by erik mouse (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 88 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 12:39:48 PM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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The author answers ( and not only to this comment)

It would be very much desirable not to ponder much on  'who is the Jew' or at least  it would be better  to put that into context of ' who is Irish'.  This is one of those fascinating mysteries of life.  Ask the Irish the same question and you will hear stories, fascinating ones... Guess what- those stories make you Irish, God bless   Eire.  I personally always considered myself Irish in spirit. Another example: Lyon Feichtwanger, a great writer when asked about his allegiance, said,'I am a writer. My native language is German. My soul is Jewish.' So I guess, it is a soul question.

The above is more an answer to Barbara  and  Richard Mynick: yes, folks,  Israel as a country, its government is not ... nice but  among our criticism we have not to forget that  the criticism can only be constructive, funny as it sounds if we ..love those we criticise. Tha gangrene I mentioned  is  the one which affects all and no matter how  we look at it  NONE of  the average Israelis benefited from the brutal IDF tactics against Arabs as well as NONE of the average Palestinians benefited from the suicide attacks.  As such who benefited, that's a very good question.

Now, back to  Mr. Mouse. My statement that 'it is good that the nation is there'  does not mean that theocracy( I called it theo- mobocracy) is good or that any Moslem state is bad. It is not the statement of exceptionality ( I was afraid to hear that). It is a statement of accomplishment in a historical sense.  Every time a new nation emerges it is..not nice.  The USA emerged in blood and I am sure many people considered then  it to be an atrocity.  But it emerged, controversial as it was.  The actual honest level of effort in creating a nation  must be  evaluated and carefully screened. But it must not  be negated.  That's a paramount historical paradigm.    Like the evolution of the species every new species is a good thing even if that species is nasty and smells bad.  The Humanity develops the same way.  Some people, for instance consider that Russia just wasted  70 years of the Communist rule. That's myopic and stupid. It evolved, developed,  changed.  I am a product of it. Do you like me?  Of course, we really do not want  the lives lost. But they were and the question was it worth it is a  'nightmare of the species'.

Israel is there. Nobody says it is  perfect, not  even good.  But it is  on the same scale as everyone else.  If we want to  consider ourselves humans we should  help the good people there and  disclose the bad people, the same as we do our grounds. That is all. That's all what we can do. As for the Moslem states-the same applies.  On equal grounds we stand and on equal grounds we die and everyone dies alone. 

by Mark Sashine (46 articles, 19 quicklinks, 234 diaries, 3348 comments) on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 1:13:00 PM