Hypocrisy is a defining characteristic of GOPism; it's apparently required for membership.

by Len Hart (134 articles, 175 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 555 comments) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:39:56 AM

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What can we do to expose all of this hypocrisy?!!! I'm sick of it! Now, the Muslim community would like Barack to approach them, and talk to them. Clearly a political move he made due to the the accusation that he is a musilm. Now, if McCain takes advantage of this opportunity towards the Muslim community, what do you think he will say about Barack? Barack didn't reach out to the Muslim Community, but I will........blah blah,,,,more diabolical hypocrisy. Sorry for the ran!

by Linda Bailey (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 68 comments) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:54:18 AM

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Comment from Ratings:   What's good for the goose. should be good for the gander!

by Eadie Kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:45:58 AM

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Talk about ugly! An 18-year-old Chelsea Clinton was certainly much more attractive than a truly ugly (inside & out) 62-year-old John McCain.

And, yes, what's good for the goose IS good for the gander! Right on!

by eileen kuch (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 151 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:35:28 PM

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Comment from Ratings:   Everything He, Mr. McCain says$, or The "American" Governor, Gov. Sarah PALIN says, almost every single sentence, seems to be a S$hameless$ lie! (* This "American" "Patriot"{?!} Governor, PALIN, who was a vocal supporter of the SECESSIONIST, "Alaska Independent Party," for years, alongside her husband, TODD Palin, who was a member of the Alaska Indy Party right up into 2002, and "American" Governor Sarah, even gave the WARM, opening Welcome speech for 2008 for the Alaska Independent party's 2008 CONVENTION! Audio of this is available on the mike Malloy show and randi Rhodes showS, from last week[check Malloy show's podcasts from say, thursday and Friday night of this just past week, Sept. 4th and 5th, and randi's show from last week, at NOVA M Radio, at: www.NOVAMRADIO.com ], during the repubS$ "Convention," of HATE and REPRESS$ION.

by Brian O'Moore (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 49 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:38:53 AM

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Now that you brought this up I completely remember this whole controversy! There is a wealth of information on video and on record of McCain's flip-flops. These should be playing on the air non-stop by all parties interested in defeating the McBush/Palin ticket.

It's time to play hardball here. Though - Obama certainly has his own flip-flop controversy - look at his O'Reilly interview lauding the "surge". 

by Cheryl Abraham (13 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 207 comments) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:44:33 AM

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Don't forget McCain also flipflopped on the torture legislation (for the election). 

I'd also point out that Giuliani's daughter's views should be fair game because she herself posted online that she was an Obama supporter (reported by CBS News). The page soon disappeared without explanation, but I think I know what happened. Cheers to the young Miss Giuliani for siding with the young people of America who will be repaying the federal debt. She could have stayed quiet and inherited Giuliani's defense/security consulting money.  

by Gustav Wynn (77 articles, 65 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 421 comments [34 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 11:36:08 AM

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“…Another mcain joke, reported in the Tucson Citizen, an Arizona paper, :

"Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, 'Where is that marvelous ape?'"

..such a lying hypocrite, says he's a devout christian, blah blah blah!

by Jacquie Bockius (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 11:55:18 AM

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while McCain-Palin campaign complains about the "mean liberal media".

 BooHoo!  The morning talk shows had so many GOP liars on today.  And the so-called reporters who interview them, never call them on any of the lies.  Kay Bailey Hutchison was a disgrace on Wolf Blitzer.

Meanwhile Sarah Palin is hiding from the media, just giving carefully crafted speeches, taking no questions, in rural towns.

by withliberty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:08:15 PM

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by Steven Leser (255 articles, 58 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 2147 comments [63 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:06:09 PM

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WHY is the media, somewhere, not covering this sick "joke"? For the love of god, doesn't this tell us what McCain is reallly about?? It's sick and disgusting, where is the media on this??????

by Linda Bailey (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 68 comments) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:02:34 AM

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Pretty tasteless joke by McCain that I'm sure he regrets, but it's hardly comparable to the current situation. 1) It was a JOKE, and not meant for worldwide consumption. Anyone who says they don't make despicable jokes about someone's looks within closed circles is simply lying. Meanwhile, liberal bloggers and even some regular media guys have made serious, offensive allegations, on the Internet and TV for the entire world to see, questioning Palin's motherhood/parental skills and even whether she was really the mother. 2) Meanwhile, Bill Clinton's "joke", on national television about Rush Limbaugh: "Did you like the way he took up for Janet Reno the other night on his program? He only did it because she was attacked by a black guy." He called him a racist, which he's not, with the clear intention of really tarring him as one. (as proof, he subsequently tried to blame him for the Oklahoma City bombing) I'm sure it hurts to be called ugly by a Senator, and BTW she'd never have known about it if not for liberal media gossipers, but it hardly compares to being called a racist by the President of the United States in full view of the nation. The huge difference is that one party is deliberately and publicly setting out to plant offensive, negative and in many cases false messages about someone or someone's family, and the other made a tasteless but PRIVATE joke about someone's looks.

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:20:18 PM

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Unless you're scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses!

Next you'll be claiming someone's trying to infringe on McCain's rights to "free speech"...

How many "private" comments by democrats have been subject to constant replay and BOLD headlines over the years?

By your rationale, he could tell numerous N-word jokes at these dinners and, since it was in private, we shouldn't consider it an "issue"!

by C.Bid (0 articles, 7 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 739 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:39:05 PM

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The claims of  "the liberal media" is really really really getting old.

Who owns the majority of the media outlets in this country?

Right wing interests do.  They've practically monopolozed it...

All but those damned "liberal bloggers"!

Those "liberal bloggers" may be your only hope of saving this country by getting out the news that the so-called "liberal media" buries and just doesn't think anyone should know. 

by C.Bid (0 articles, 7 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 739 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:46:16 PM

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Greetings,

Throughout the primary, I kept waiting for the MSM to start really asking the tough questions of Obama.  They didn't then, nor are they doing it now.  McCain is being handled very gently, also.  Perhaps, the MSM is going to make sure they are on everyone's side.   Regardless, the fact remains that BOTH McCain and Obama are flip-flopping on their positions to try to win over one group or another, to try to sway the voters for their vote.   I have never voted for the G(reedy)O(bstructionist)P(ricks) at the national level, and I am not defending them now.  I see that Obama is taking a page from the repugs play book, and I don't approve.  I don't approve of Obama anyway, but I think even less of him acting so righteous toward McCain when he is applying the same tactics.   This year, for the first time in 10 presidential elections, my vote won't be democratic.

by Kellis R. Solomon (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 123 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:16:55 PM

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I am looking for a reference to the Clinton-Reno joke by McCain in any place other than a leftwing 'news' outlet.  With the entire text.  ABC, CBS, PBS, etc would do.  The joke is really old.  I have heard it repeated 1000 times.  Chelsea did not deserve it.  Reno didn't either.

Please note that Sentor Obama has said that Palin's family is off limits.  Apparently a lot of people did not get the memo.  They are continuing non stop attacks that are mostly untrue or just pure spectulation.  Common decency should rule as Senator Obama said but he has no control over his attack dogs.  Sad

by Mad Jayhawk (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 652 comments [56 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:48:42 PM

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I'm not trying to make excuses for McCain, or say that other private comments haven't been exploited, I'm simply pointing out that citing a tasteless joke made in private is hardly on par with making deadly serious world-wide false smears. And in the case of Clinton, making a deadly serious smear disguised as a joke. I have nothing against liberal bloggers doing research, in fact, it was conservative bloggers that exposed Dan Rather's fake documents about GWB's NG service. But if either chooses to blow their credibility by taking silly stuff seriously, they'll be judged accordingly. That's what has happened to a significant degree regarding Palin, just as some on the other side lost credibility trying to make Obama out to be a Muslim. We all know that in our society ugly jokes are relatively benign compared to those involving race. That would be a completely different thing, but making private racial slurs still wouldn't be applicable in terms of looking for justifications for haphazardly making false public smears against someone and/or their family. The proper comparison would be those brought by the Swiftvets and their fans. Both serious, public accusations. We all make jokes about looks and race in our private circles. Most are not done out of hatred or bigotry, but just to be silly and get laughs. That's a completely different realm than the kind of non-humorous attempts at personal destruction going on regarding Palin. And no, it doesn't matter who owns the media, any more than your landlord being a right-wing extremist means you have to be. The editors and reporters have control over the content, and survey after survey, study after study, poll after poll confirms that they're almost all Democrats, and that their work reflects that, at least so far as they can get away with. It's just that you're expecting a "liberal media" to be aligned with Dennis Kuscinich, or some such. A more accurate description would actually be the "partisan media".

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:16:37 PM

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"exposed Dan Rather's fake documents about GWB's NG service."

Sorry, I can't let this falsehood stand unchallenged.  Dan Rather stated the provenance of the documents.  Karl Rove paid an "expert" to say they were faked because typewriters at that time couldn't type that kind of script.  The IBM Selectric that was introduced in 1961 was in fact quite capable of typing that kind of script.  He also dug up a Republican operative who was the only person on that base in Alabama who would swear that Bush reported to duty and another guy who knew the author of the document who said "Gee, I don't think he would have written something like that".  No one ever has proven the source  of the documents came from any place other than where they were said to have originated.  You make an accusation of fraud, the burden of prove is on you. 

The one document that could have settled the controversy once and for all was Bush's pay records that he could have easily produced.  He chose not to and since this IS George Bush we are talking about, I think it is best to assume that he did not report to duty like he was supposed to and the pay records reflected that.  I think there is a more compelling case to made that he didn't perform his military service than that he did.  You may be the only person in the US who believes that Bush completed his military service.

The press turned on Dan Rather instead of pressuring Bush to resolve the controversy once and for all.  Gov. Palin is quite capable of doing the same right now.  All I am hearing is how unfair it is that anyone should even ask the question.  If you like doing things like that, perhaps you would prefer a monarchy.

by vidiot (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 300 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:00:21 PM

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whatever tripe comes under that name, let it slime and rot.  Everyone's got it spotted, so skip over whatever it says, it's simply nonsense to waste your time reading or reacting.

'He' is a d.f.

by meremark (1 articles, 3 quicklinks, 30 diaries, 572 comments [22 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:23:14 AM

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“We all make jokes about looks and race in our private circles.” 

I DON’T. 

I do, however, hold elected officials to a higher standard and expect them to represent their constituents accordingly in ALL of their words –especially when comments are very likely to be scrutinized in public at some point or another.  It is my experience that you can tell a lot about a person when they think you are “in on their joke”, “will keep this between us”, or the remark in question will be “off the record”… wink, wink. 

I find it repulsive and without worth-while defense. 

Right-wingers seem to have a serious problem with making off-color, prejudiced, tasteless, cruel, and offensive comments during their “mic time” at so called “private dinners/fund-raisers”.  Perhaps they consider everyone there “in on the joke” to the extent that they are comfortable to keep making such stupid statements –otherwise, I really don’t know why they’d do it.  Maybe they are so used to hearing similar disregard by most of the well known right-wing pundits on talk radio and television…  At any rate, I could make the conclusion that the applause they receive after these kinds of remarks are representative of their constituents’ views for the most part, but I’ll just say two and two –as you are perfectly able to work out your own thoughts about it, considering you think we ALL make those kinds of jokes. 

Now, as regards to your comments about the ownership of media outlets not having an effect on the news, information, topics, and viewpoint they use… that’s absolute BULLSHIT.  I know plenty of writers and editors who could easily prove you wrong there.  Come to think of it, ask Don Williams here at OEN about his years of employment at the Knoxville News Sentinel.  I’m sure he’ll give you considerably more insight about the inner workings than you’d care to admit you were wrong about.  Hell, even Katie Couric has admitted you report what the corporate big wigs tell you to report and you report it the way they want you to report it. 

Ownership of the media matters a great deal.  When you control information –you can manipulate public opinion easily…  or are you the only person in America unaware that the neocons carefully put into plan their bid to buy up the media outlets a long time ago? 

They’ve been more than moderately successful. 

There is no “liberal media”. 

The media we do have pushes the conservative agenda nearly exclusively and has done so for many years despite your belief in objective representation at the least.  If you wanna call it “partisan” –yeah, it’s right-wing partisan. 

If there were any truth to the “liberal media” or “left-wing partisan” claims about the media, there would have been absolutely no second term for Bush Jr.!!!

by C.Bid (0 articles, 7 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 739 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:46:50 AM

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I posted this McSame's comment on the comment section last week and posted (C&P) Michael Moore's letter that stated this.

Two words about republicans: Double standards. Two more words about republicans: Forgetful memory

This just in but no proof of it yet. Palin was over heard in an Alaskan restaurant saying: "So Sambo beat the b*tch".(PBA Politics) This was after Obama won the primary with Hillary. Recall McSame laughed when a constituent of his called Hillary "that b*tch"(and yet Hill supporters are voting for Mac?????) . I kind of think that those Hill supporters are really repub operation chaos ppl. How could they completely flipflop to Prolifers from Prochoicers? Sounds iffy to me...big IF.

Palin is a real authoritarian type theocrat. With her at the wheel, women will lose the right to vote. Gawd, her skeeeechy voice drives me nuts...finger nails on a chalk board if there ever was one. WHAHAHA.

I say being mousey and polite never got us anywhere since 2000, so it's time to fight fire with fire.

by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 592 comments [98 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:38:03 PM

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So why repeat it?

by tim bristol (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 89 comments) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:35:52 PM

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"Sorry, I can't let this falsehood stand unchallenged. Dan Rather stated the provenance of the documents. Karl Rove paid an "expert" to say they were faked because typewriters at that time couldn't type that kind of script. The IBM Selectric that was introduced in 1961 was in fact quite capable of typing that kind of script." -- vidiot

Perhaps capable of that script, I'm not sure, but not capable of putting it in the same place as a modern word processor.  I don't think you quite understand just how many people have been trying to duplicate those documents with an IBM Selectric ever since. So far, nobody's been able to, because it's not possible. CBS has essentially admitted it;  Rather blew his reputation because his hatred of Bush led him to believe what he wanted to believe.

They were typed with Microsoft Word, and the evidence is irrefutable.

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:07:41 AM

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what you conveniently ignore is that the commander's secretary, who typed up the original documents, says that the document contains similar information as the original document.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-21-cover-guard_x.htm

She remembered Bush and said that his commander had a hard time keeping him in line.

by Steven Leser (255 articles, 58 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 2147 comments [63 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:42:01 AM

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But she said in an interview with USA TODAY that Killian had written similar memos ......

.....She said she liked Bush personally but doesn't approve of him as president.

Not exactly testimony to hang one's hat on.  Similar could mean a range of things.  Looks like she's got her reasons to kinda support but not really support the memos.  

At any rate, the documents were fake.  The real question is ..... why the need to fake them, and what makes people think such a tactic should be accepted and excused, and just assumed to be reflections of the real thing?  

Would you really give your political opponents such benefit of the doubt given such shaky circumstances?  

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:35:03 AM

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You are the one declaring the documents to be fake without any knowlege of them personally.  There are other reasons why those reports might have been slightly different than the first ones including the commander asking for them to be redone.  The fact remains that Bush W could have cleared all this up by releasing his service and pay records which he dared not do.  It would have confirmed that he refused to report for a flight physical in Texas (Hmmm, a little cocaine in his system?) and it would have supported what his commander in Alabama said.  That he didn't even recall Bush being there.  W was supposed to be helping with a campaign in Alabama but the people there said he hardly showed up and was of no use to them.  Bush was allowed to go home to Maine and was discharged from the NG when they should have court martialled him.  But the chicken hawk little bastard certainly doesn't hesitate to send other guard troops to their deaths.  He is a traitor and a coward.

by Bryan Emmel (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 415 comments [32 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:32:29 AM

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I read this comment online yesterday, that Palin allegedly stated "So Sambo beat the b*tch" at the time Obama beat out Hillary. Now, there is a young black man on Youtube who claims to be the father of Bristol Palin's baby. He seems very sincere. There is something else that is troubling me. Mononucelosis is a highly infectious disease. Someone with this should not be socializing. If Bristol became pregnant while she either had mono, is recuperating from it, she could have endangered her unborn child. And, if Bristol had mono or recuperating from it, she should not have been anywhere near her newly born brother in the hosital.

by Linda Bailey (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 68 comments) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:21:30 AM

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/8/94116/88327/357/590522

by Greg Purcell (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 47 comments) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:32:09 AM

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Maybe McCain learned a lesson about ugliness being in the eye of the beholder once his adopted daughter Bridgette blossomed into the fine young woman she is now.

by John Sydney (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:34:01 PM

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Comment from Ratings:   McCain made a very poor joke in 1998. It really wasn't a joke at all, and fell flat as a cow pie. It was mean spirited and trite. However, I don't agree that it was an attack against Chelsea. The comment was against her parents and Janet Reno. However, McCain should have stayed silent about Chelsea. What the pundits and press are saying about Palin's family and chidren go way beyond McCain's mistaken statement about Chelsea. The statements we hear now are ugly and abusive. The press and political pundits are vicious in there attacks on Palin's family. The families of the candidates are not running for office. The children of the candidates should not be the butt of off color jokes, and mean spirited gossip. The Families of Obama, Byden, McCain and Palin, need to left out of the political war of words. The candidates know what they are getting into. Leave the children alone. The children, (not kids), should be off limits.

by Stephen Hull (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:52:13 PM

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Do you want people with national exposure going around calling YOUR kids ugly?  The spin you are peddling isnt even remotely persuasive.

by Steven Leser (255 articles, 58 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 2147 comments [63 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:48:50 PM

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