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BabyGate: Explosive New Details and the Smoking Gun Photo

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by ArcXIX  originally posted on dailykos

Yesterday, the nation at large was introduced to Sarah Palin's fraudulent claims of maternity by numerous photographs, video, and a timeline that made even those accepting of the 'official' story turn their heads in confusion.

The revelation that had been whispered among the Alaskan legislature was explosive. Sarah Palin is not the mother of Trig Palin. Her daughter is the mother. Scarce if any refutations to the contrary have come forward, and now damning incidents and evidence has come to light.

Mothers of the world have reeled back in disgust and horror at Sarah's dangerous and possibly fatal story of flying 4000 miles even as she was supposedly in the process of entering labor a month early. Sarah needs to honestly answer for her lies, promptly.

As evidenced in the original diary, Sarah has been photographed during her surprise 'pregnancy' as trim, fit, and altogether non-pregnant. Once again presenting Sarah at seven months 'pregnant':

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And now newly juxtaposed to Sarah pregnant with her son, Track Palin, in 1989 (right):

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The disparity is shocking. Any mother of more than one child will tell you that a female body does not become fitter with each pregnancy, but instead the exact opposite, gaining more and more weight quickly with each successive pregnancy (in Sarah's case, four). Sarah is a perfectly healthy woman, but is far from a petite size, and would not be able to hide a second trimester pregnancy from anyone with a set of eyeballs.

bloggerinterrupted has culled together news videos from the time of the original announcement (seven months into the surprise 'pregnancy'), which reveals no protruding belly line, and the total shock of fellow Alaskans:

 

Of note, the Newsweek conference at the end was entitled "Newsweek: Women & Leadership". Sarah would issue the statement on her pregnancy the next day (she didn't mention pregnancy once during the presentation), and Newsweek host Karen Breslau was as surprised as anyone:

At the time, I didn't know that Palin, clad in a loose, dark dress, was seven months pregnant with her fifth child. An aide called me the next day to tell me that Palin would be announcing the pregnancy at home in Alaska and that she had wanted me to know as a courtesy. She was sorry she hadn't mentioned it the night before.

A convenient reasoning, allowing Sarah to deftly avoid questioning of any sort before, during, or after the presentation in Los Angeles. This isn't the first time Sarah has fooled someone on video.
In yesterday's diary, a video of Sarah hiking around Juneau, Alaska (and standing in high heels at six months 'pregnant') was presented by Alaska HDTV. They have since issued a statement:

Regarding her pregnancy, all I can say is that it was not obvious to the three of us who were there during the filming. At this time she would be somewhere in her 7th month of pregnancy, which could be hidden with clever clothing, jackets, etc.

In addition, these videos also mark stark contrasts toanother video of Sarah's career as a Sports News Journalist, taped here when she was pregnant with child in 1989. Her facial features are altered, a common effect of pregnancy that Sarah miraculously avoided during her fifth with Trig.

Fast forward to the alleged 'pregnancy' itself, an obstetrician commented at Talking Points Memo that he has serious issues with Palin's decisions:

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Should have never done this, and . . .

It has just been confirmed that Plain's daughter is CURRENTLY five weeks pregnant, so the rumors cannot be true and should never has been circulated.

 Now, let's take it easy on Palin and her daughter.  It is an emotional family issue, not a political one.  She is awful enough on policy without dragging her family through the mud.

by Bruce Allen Morris (37 articles, 0 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 55 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:41:23 PM

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Reply: They (Rove) FABRICATED THIS STORY ABOUT NEW PREGNANCY

The daughter isn't pregnant. PROVE IT! Rove created this story to make it impossible chronologically, for her daughter to have been pregnant with the boy, A LIE! Are you really that dense? SARAH PALIN WAS NEVER PREGNANT. The real question is: DID SHE FALSIFY HER DAUGHTER'S BABY'S BIRTH DOCUMENTS IN HER NAME? She did NOT notify the airlines, AS REQUIRED, of her pregnancy when she attended the enery conference. ALL LIES. I bet her daughter is not 5 months pregnant now, they created this because it's hard to prove. Watch her have a miscarriage after the election!

by gordon nelson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 40 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:47:04 PM

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Reply: You can't be serious?

Statements coming out now that Bristol is 5 months pregnant do not disprove any prior claims that Trig isn't her baby too.  First, no one should believe that Bristol is 5 months pregnant.  Second, she easily could have gotten pregnant again shortly after delivering her first baby.  And third, there are photos of her looking pregnant taken in the fall/winter of 2007 and there are no photos showing Sara Palin looking pregnant in 2007 or 2008.  If they wanted to put this rumor to rest instead of throwing their daughter under the bus, why didn't they just provide a paternity test?  

RJ Crane, topplebush.com 

by Robyn Crane (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:53:43 PM

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Reply: The Republican Party has become

the Jerry Springer Party.

by Mark Watterson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 207 comments [133 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:11:17 AM

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Doesn't prove anything

Even if she is pregnant now, it doesn't prove anything.

She could easily be 4-5 months pregnant now, and still have given birth in April.

If anything, this just makes it MORE likely that the stories are true: it certainly indicates that Bristol IS sexually active, DOESN'T use a condom, and IS the type of 17-year old girl to get knocked up. 

Am I the only one that finds that coincidental?

by gum factor (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:04:17 PM

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It's partially true....

I believe that Bristol Palin is pregnant -- AGAIN.  Not 5 MONTHS pregnant, but conveniently pregnant.  Probably 6 weeks to 2 months.  Why do I find that easy to believe?  Because it happened right next door to me.  Our neighbor's unmarried 16-year old daughter had one  baby -- and then another one 12 months later.   There are three daughters in this family -- each had at least one out-of-wedlock baby before her 17th birthday.  We live in a nice wooded neighborhood of upper-middle class middle management types - lovely homes, well-kept yards, but this stuff happens. 

I have a feeling that the truth about the Palin women will come out - conveniently AFTER the convention.  She'll withdraw and another VP candidate will be named, probably someone who wouldn't have sat well with the evangelical right wing at the convention. Someone like Lieberman, perhaps?  The whole thing has the stink of a Rove-hatched ploy.

    

by Karmakazi Network (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:41:28 PM

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Give it a break!

Folks, this is getting patently absurd. I am not Republican, am an Alaskan and have multiple thoughts on Sarah as Governor but this stuff is inane.

Though a huge physical state, Alaska is primarily small towns and villages where gossip, rumors and other minutiae abound but keeping secrets is nigh impossible. It is just too hard to do when everybody knows everybody maybe 1 or two times removed.

Besides, she's already pissed off the good old Republican boys up here who have run the state for decades AND the oil companies who she has cost literally billions. Either of those two dirty tricksters would have quickly found out about something like what you are suggesting and ripped her apart. Remember, they PAY for information and that info would have been a full retirement!

Plus, nobody, friend or foe would say that Gov. Palin is anything but exceptionally smart. Knowing that she would be under the microscope of the national viewers, she would never have gone forward with the VP stuff when she could have stayed the most popular governor Alaska has had in years.

Sorry but put away your barbs. This dog won't hunt.

by Christopher Wright (17 articles, 2 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 31 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:03:23 PM

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Reply: If she is that smart ...

...then why did she put herself, and her baby, and a whole plane of people at risk by flying during the early stages of labor with a fifth child that she knew to be compromised to begin with? If she had gone into full labor and delivery on the plane, (something any OB-GYN would say is at least possible under those circumstances, as she has outlined them -  and some would say probable)  and if it put her life in jeopardy, what does the plane do then, faced with having a Governor in critical condition onboard? or a dying baby?  Land someplace unplanned to get help?

The best scenario is that she has INCREDIBLY poor judgement in this, and until I could find out more, I wouldn't want someone with that kind of poor judgement skills just one step away from a 72 year old president. 

by Meryl Ann Butler (70 articles, 82 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 721 comments [29 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:33:32 PM

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Reply: The residents of Wasilla all knew the kid was Bristol's

Sorry. The dog is hunting, big time. This was an open secret in Wasilla already.

I think a too plausible reason why Sara insisted on being Trig's mother was to save her family and career because the kid is an incest baby. The family has the major risk factors.

If I were to place my bets, I'd bet first on Todd, second on an overage boy known to the family who would get a statutory conviction, third on an age peer of Bristol's, and last on Track, the son in the army. I would heavily weight it on the first because of the Down's syndrome.

by John Toradze (11 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 85 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:35:03 PM

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Putting a "whole plane at risk"..?

boarding a flight while her fluid leaking is "putting a whole plane at risk?"

Besides, the final word is in and Obama says ;"lay off!" "families and kids are OFF LIMITS!", besides his mother had just turned 18 when she had Barack, remember?

This is making us look ghoulish and desperate, and it was probably a set-up in the first place.

drop it.

see the story here.

by scott creighton (25 articles, 11 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 244 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:56:05 PM

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Re: BabyGate

A friend of mine, and not a McCain supporter, by any means, William Sanders over on sff.net, has this to say about this whole kerfuffle:

"And who CARES?

Jesus X. GOD. The damn woman is a religious fanatic who not only believes in
a primitive superstition that no intelligent, educated person has believed since
before any of us were born, but thinks it ought to be taught in the schools.
 She's an anti-abortion absolutist. She appears to have very bad attitudes
on environmental issues (she wants to make it legal to kill endangered species,
anyway) and she's an open friend of the oil companies. I don't know if she's
said anything publicly about the occupation of Iraq but she's running on a ticket
with a man who continues to argue that it's working and should continue, so
I have to assume she agrees. Her only executive experience consists of an unfinished
term as governor of a state with a population about that of Fort Worth and,
before that, of a town with a population about that of a fairly successful Worldcon,
though probably less unruly. She admitted in an interview not all that long
ago that she didn't even know what the Vice-President does.

There are, in short, any number of perfectly valid reasons for regarding her
candidacy as appalling, and a serious reflection on John McCain's judgment.

And so why the hell is everybody taking off on this supermarket-tabloid-grade
horseshit about who had which baby and when?

Get a GRIP, people. This is EMBARRASSING."

William's post is at click here

 

by B. Ross Ashley (1 articles, 27 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 41 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 8:45:38 PM

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Reply: Further to this quote

Mr Sanders wishes me to state for the record that he gave me permission to post this here, but only in its entirety, and that if he had known about the asterisk I was made to use in the word "horsesh*t" he would have refused it. He's a retired professional writer and never did get along with Nellyism.

by B. Ross Ashley (1 articles, 27 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 41 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:21:14 PM

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Reply: There ya go

I fixed your asterisk problem.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:06:57 AM

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Reply: It's The Hypocrisy, Not to Mention Idological Corruption

If this charge is true then it bears very much bringing to light about WcCain's choice for VP.  If Palin is an abstinence-only advocate doesn't the fact that her own teenage daughter may be pregnant--for the second time--demonstrate a profound failure of her (Sarah's) social ideology?  It is also one more way that it speaks to the poor judgment of Palin and WcCain by extension.

So yes, while I would prefer that the campaign focus on less salatious issues this one is no less relevant.  There better be some definitive evidence, however, that there is any truth to this charge.  The You Tube video that accompanied the headline in the OEN newsletter lacks a clear timeline which leaves me less than convinced that this not just a smear job (it's only a smear if the underlying narrative is false).

by FOIA Gras (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 18 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:42:22 PM

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Moral of the Story

The moral of the story here is that timeless old aphorism:

Oh what a twisted web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

I have no doubt, looking at all the photos, some of which have now mysteriously disappeared off websites (that's damning right there) that skinny and fit as a fiddle Sarah Palin concocted the "I'm pregnant" bit to avoid what she thought would be an embarrassment to HER, not her daughter. And now with the internet abuzz with the flimsiness of her story, she has concocted another one to cover the first. So the web being woven gets bigger and bigger. Where will it stop? Her daughter may not even be pregnant now. Time and photographs may tell on that count. Has anyone detected signs of pregnancy in the recent photos of her?

What we may hear in a few months is that poor Bristol had a miscarriage. Happens you know. We may even have a mock funeral. Anyway, stay tuned to the Perils of Palin and her twisted web of deceit. This is all about character, and it is her actions that have brought this kind of scrutiny on her.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 113 quicklinks, 240 diaries, 1413 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:24:48 PM

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Birth Certificate?

Is there a birth certificate for Treg?  Who does it say the parents are?

by FOIA Gras (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 18 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:28:09 PM

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You make me sick

This rumor originally floated over at Daily Kos is crap. It has been blown to smithereens. Trig was not Bristol's baby, it was Sarah's. There are photos out there that put this to rest. For crying out loud, this is a difficult family situation that is not unique, and the Palin family is handling it with as much love, respect and grace as any family I have seen.

Man, this refuse pile is really starting to stink. The trashman needs to get here quickly.

by Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 744 comments [30 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:33:47 PM

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Reply: OH Really.

Put your money where your mouth is and show all this evidence that blows away the KOS story. Are there two sets of reliably dated photos out there, the skinny Sarah one day, the bloated one the next? Does Sarah morph her body from day to day. Did she have a weekend pregnancy and pop out a kid on a Sunday nite? 

Nothing adds up about the Palin story, not to mention the daughter's five month or longer, sudden fit of mono. What a coincidence! God, Sherlock Holmes would be laughing his ass off at how easy this case would be to solve. My daughter had mono in HS, by the way, and was back in school, although part-time, in six weeks. No, "mono" is way too convenient.

My Spidey Sense tells me that Palin is a liar, that simple. Alaskans have been humoring her about this because I guess they expect their governors to be a little weird ever since the TV series, Northern Exposure, but now we are talking about the whole country and global responsibilities. The Palin charade has got to end before we elect a complete joke for a VP.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 113 quicklinks, 240 diaries, 1413 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:08:06 AM

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Desperate Housewives

One would think that Palin would have worn the fake stomach like Bree did, in order to sell her story.

by John Olsen (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 60 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:01:25 AM

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Actually.....

 doesn't the fact that her own teenage daughter may be pregnant--for the second time--demonstrate a profound failure of her (Sarah's) social ideology?

 Actually, it doesn't...  Assuming it is true, it only demonstrates a failure ofr abstinence-only teaching..

 IF there was an abortion performed on the baby with downs syndrome, THEN it would be a failure of her social ideology...  She is a pro life absolutist, and if she decided to abort the down baby, she would have demonstrated she was a hypocrite. 

I bring this up because some people do not understand the meaning of the word.

For example, to complain loudly about Obama's wife being discussed in a negative light (despite the fact that she makes speeches)  some of you applaud the efforts of a blog site like the "Daily Kos" to smear the daughter, who has never been seen except for a couple of family photos, of a candidate for VP, in the vain hope of finding something to embarrass the candidate with...

Even if it is all true, you are the pot calling the kettle black....  Even if it is all true, have you really sunk this low?

 

Ciao, CZ

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:44:13 AM

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Reply: Not the point

Can anyone not understand that it is not about the daughter being pregnant (except that her mother's whole platform has been based on "family values" and "abstinence only)? It is about Sarah Palin's lie, and her trustworthiness.

If this happened, it was because she wanted to prevent her own political embarassment.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:15:28 AM

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Reply: With Bill Clinton

it was just about sex, it had nothing to do with his trustworthiness..  If anything the country has been going further in that direction..  This is, OF COURSE, assuming that the allegations are correct...  So far, I have been hearing reports that this is a Bogus Rumor...

Michael Moore has been saying that the baby was born a girl and not a boy!! Why he would say this, I have no idea..  I really don't know where you are all going with this, but it really makes people, who are pursuing this, look a lot less like adults...



Ciao, CZ

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:44:28 AM

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Reply: Is Too

CZ,

Way to make use of the "REPLY" button.

The daughter's pregnancy is most certainly a failure of Mom Sarah's extreme abstinence-only ideology as it relates to sex and pregnancy outside marriage.  That abstinence-only failed to prevent the unplanned pregnancy of her daughter while The Gov advocates it for others is in fact hypocritical so please spare us the gratuitous vocabulary lesson.  Whether or not Sarah aborts her Downs baby is a separate hypothetical layer.

Who is "the pot calling the kettle black"?  Where on this message board has anyone decried the treatment of Michelle Obama?  As far as I am concerned Barack's wife is fair game for any fact-based criticism leveled at her as she is an active participant in his campaign.  Likewise, the socially uberconservative worldview of the Sarah Palin's of the world make their every moral failing a similarly legitimate target, not to mention highly relevant.

Take Care,

fg

by FOIA Gras (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 18 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:08:26 PM

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I hate that "Perspective" choice.

Comment from Ratings:   Is it optimistic to say the Republican party is nominating a doofus for president, who in turn picked a quadruple-doofus as his running mate? Or is it negative, as in "dismay, oy veh"? I love seeing ugly baloons punctured; what does that say about my perspective. Best, danny Fields

by korduroy (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:48:51 PM

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no evidence here shows the Governor had that baby...

Why was her daughter pulled from school because of mononucleosis FOR 5 MONTHS? right before Trig's birth? Prove it's the Governor's baby, show the birth documents. Nobody in her office ever knew she was pregnant, not a word. And she voted her doctor a national honor afterwards, payback?

by gordon nelson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 40 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:03:53 PM

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Mommy's Baby Daughter's Maybe?

The latest from (and I admittedly don't quote them very often) The National Enquirer says Palin tried to force her daughter to get married after the Republican convention and Bristol refused. They also say there's a huge family feud threatening to release ALL the skeletons!

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/sarah_palin_at_war_with_her_daughter_over_pregnancy_wedding/celebrity/65370

I still wonder what kind of mother would answer allegations that she faked a pregnancy by throwing HER DAUGHTER under the bus? Sarah: The correct answer to: Did you fake a pregnancy?. is:

 No! Here's Trig's BIRTH CERTIFICATE, My MEDICAL RECORDS (including prenatal checkups and sonograms) and an independent DNA test to PROVE I'm innocent!

Palin's answer was: "It can't be hers because she's already 5 months pregnant."

There are at least 5 people who know the truth. Her husband and the siblings. Over the next few years a lot of people will offer a huge sum of money for the story. It will eventually get out. If trig is not Sarah's she can't hide it forever: FESS UP or provide medical evidence!

by Greg Purcell (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 47 comments) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:07:30 PM

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