Comment from Ratings: Great job. I had peripherally wondered at a few of the anomalies described here, but hadn't focused on them til I saw this, which certainly offers an intriguing question.
If I had just given birth, especially to a special needs baby, I personally would be putting that baby's needs for attention from its mother in a prioritized position in my agenda. There is no way this baby can get that kind of attention from Sarah if she is on the campaign trail. But maybe Bristol will come along as a "nanny."
It will be interesting to see if Bristol goes back to school in the fall, or if not, what the reasoning is for her not to return.
Being a person who has given birth, I can't imagine speaking in TX and flying to AK while in the early stages of labor, and being perkily back at work three days later - not only is rest required, but I wouldn't want to focus on anything but my new baby for longer than 3 days! I read in one of the articles that Sarah Palin says she is breastfeeding Trig. Now, this is absolutely possible, whether Sarah is the mother or not - I have known of mothers who breastfed adopted babies. (There are mechanics and equipment involved, which can be researched, but bear in mind it is not impossible.)
What seems to be most damning is that all the photos were pulled off the net suddenly.
My heart goes out to poor Bristol if this is true - there is a young woman in a hellish trap: perhaps not allowed to feel like she can fully acknowledge her love for her own baby? Possibly forced to sever ties with the baby's father? Has she been led to believe that she has sinned?
Clearly, abortion would not have been considered as a solution to this kind of situation, perhaps lying was.
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Meryl Ann Butler (49 articles, 53 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 449 comments)
on Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 1:19:34 PM
Ok. Nobody on her own staff knew she was pregnant. The people handling her schedule never had to schedule a doctor's appointment for her. She never looked pregnant.
Her 16-year old daughter was pulled out of school and sequestered for the preceding 5 months because she had "mono." The pictures clearly show a distinct bulge at the daughter's midsection, and the daughter looks in otherwise athletic condition.
Her doctor told her to go ahead and give a speech with amniotic fluid running down her leg. She didn't mind getting on a plane (and her doctor approved it) for 8 hours afterward, while in labor. She gives birth a month prematurely and is back at work 3 days later.
So the doctors and nurses, who obviously would have known that the baby was not borne by the governor, are complicit in this ruse. The records, if there are any, had to be falsified, including the birth certificate and Social Security card, which are crimes that bear harsh penalties if committed by a lowly member of the proletariat.
There must be those records as well as records of her prenatal care, sonograms, amniocentesis, prescriptions such as prenatal vitamins, etc.
Yes, I believe this is something that should be looked into as soon and as thoroughly as possible.
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JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments)
on Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 3:12:34 PM
I have seen a picture of the sleeping baby's face. The comment with it was that the child was Eskimo.
Would it follow that Palin found out the baby's father was Native (i.e. not acceptable) and is trying to pass off his ethnicity with DS? If the baby has DS and she is breastfeeding, my understanding is that the mouth of a DS baby is often unable to successfully latch on. It doesn't seem that she could be back to work in 3 days considering the needs of a DS child... Or any child, really.
If this story has legs, she will be gone from the scene soon. But you are right about Bristol. She looks very sad.
The question for the voters is: how could McCain use her like this? What kind of a soul-less person is he, and Palin herself? (I know, Republican)Without complete vetting, he has compromised a lot re: judgement issues. But what if he is just play-acting at all this? Who is the Director? What's the next Act?
Keep reporting what you see and hear.
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grace mcguire (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments)
on Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 3:30:30 PM
Newsflash: Sarah's husband Todd is part Eskimo. What a bigoted assumption, that just because someone's a Republican means they are somehow predisposed to only being tolerant of "white" people.
I'm always told that the hate and bigotry comes from the right. I'm seeing the exact opposite, especially in the case of Sarah Palin.
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Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 723 comments)
on Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 5:03:50 PM
Eskimo (properly called Inuit) Children are beautiful too
Your defense of the Gov's husband being Inuit serves to enforce my suspicion that he is the father of the child. And his daughter is the mother. Hence the disability and the Inuit ethnicity.
A DNA test could prove all... and by the way should be done by a publicly trusted method or the governor should resign her post as veep choice.
Either way, McSame is done.
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Syndi Yellowbird (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments)
on Monday, September 1, 2008 at 3:48:51 PM
Personally I find this whole story inappropriate for a presidential race, and this 'gossip' just adds to the mockery made of the campaign by McCain's handlers (including their choice of VP).
I only came to this article because I was curious about what the H*** the big issue was. I am empathetic to young girls in Bristol's situation, and especially so to this cute little gal forced into the limelight, I agree she looks very sad and very confused by the whole thing.
Anyway, I don't think these commneters that you are blasting mean to be cruel or hypocritical. But those of us that are backing Obama are in attack mode after all the ugliness we've been enduring due to McCain's Karl Rove tactics: lies, lies and more lies. Enough already!
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Jacquie Bockius (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments)
on Tuesday, September 2, 2008 at 3:33:43 PM
Bristol "looks sad?" Come on -- "Obama looks bad," if we judge by his voting record, which Demos don't seem to care about.
I'm a Ron Paul supporter before you ask and we take voting records and lobbyist seriously 'round here, hahaha.
Hillary "looked sad" when Bill was caught cigarring the intern -- Maybe we should prioritize our witch hunts.
If what you guys are saying is true (hey I love to make weak premises result in solid conclusions as much as the next guy) then let's not judge a woman (like we didn't Hillary) for having a hard time keeping a family members sexual passions under her ontrol -- We are in the Hoochie Mama Music Movement there are not a lot of good role models for young girls; have you watched the "teen fights" on youtube over 40% of them are girls.
Plus humans have been having babies in their teens for like 99% of human history.
If what you say is true Sarah should have come out and said "look I have a singularly unique teenage girl who has pre-marital sex, we decided to love her and support her baby just the same."
However, let me tell you how harshly women judge other women (wow), Hillary was blamed for not keeping her man "satisfied" by other women -- a Mother is judged more harshly when it comes to her children. So, if this is true than I don't blame her.
McCain and Palin knew this would come out ahead of time, for whatever reason both thought it a good idea.
Octo
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Pablo Mises (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments)
on Monday, September 1, 2008 at 2:41:53 PM
Comment from Ratings: The pictures you showed on the video had dates superimposed briefly.
Can you develop a timeline for these with the timeline of Palin's "pregnancy/delivery"?
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grace mcguire (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments)
on Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 3:33:40 PM
Here's at least one person who thought she was pregnant.
If this were true, and I highly doubt it is, it would certainly disqualify her/him on judgment grounds, if nothing else. To keep this secret from McCain, or for McCain to know about it and still go with her ..... He/they shouldn't be leading the country.
Putting aside the politics, one can't help but admire the decision to have the baby (either Sarah or Bristol) and give it its due opportunity for life. Anyone who's ever attended a Special Olympics event knows what I mean. Whereas Obama would have likely counseled abortion for his daughter, and almost certainly if it had been diagnosed with Down syndrome. I suspect that daughter would grow up regretful of that decision, and would be haunted by it to one degree or another.
Careful with this. She has only to release her medical records, and like most candidates, probably will.
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Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 723 comments)
on Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 4:37:50 PM
… would answer the question of whether Mr. Palin is the father of Trig, or not. And that would end the questioning quickly, assuming the DNA evidence is not tampered with.
If Mr. Palin is not baby Trig's biological father, that is evidence that Trig could possibly be the child of Bristol, (though, Trig could also be the product of Sarah and another gentleman. And, of course, it is a sad commentary on our society that even if Mr. Palin was proven to be the father, that would not necessarily prove that Bristol is not the mother—although that would, I hope for Bristol's sake, not be the case.)
I find no fault with Bristol, a minor child, if any of this is true.
But here's the bigger issue: if there is truth to the fact that Trig is not Sarah's baby, a horrifying possibility emerges.
If Bristol’s water broke, and Sarah made the decision to STAY TO GIVE HER SPEECH in TX before flying home, would that mean that the birth process might have been artificially and medically delayed, in order to wait for Sarah to return?
If so, that seems like it would be child abuse of both Bristol and the unborn baby, as well as illegal medically, but possibly "necessary" to keep the ruse going - It sure would have been a lot harder to cover up the truth, if in fact that is what's happening here, if Trig had been born in AK while Sarah was still in TX, or in the air. Hence, some possible reasons for her making the very odd, and arguably dangerous, decision to fly back to AK while she was allegedly in the early stages of labor.
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Meryl Ann Butler (49 articles, 53 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 449 comments)
on Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 5:49:19 PM
...by attacking a teen-age single mother and her retarded baby? Shame on OEN and its publisher. Where are the "Hundreds of thousands of the smartest best educated most informed people" claimed by OEN? Acting just like Bush and McCain.
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James Cordray (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 56 comments)
on Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 8:57:21 PM
No, there are no harsh feelings at all toward the teen mother or her child, if that is what the truth turns out to be. Nothing but sympathy there.
The problem is the lie. If this was all a lie to protect Palin's political career, and to cover up her daughter's teen pregnancy to avoid embarassment for Palin, that is a completely legitimate issue.
Her daughter and grandchild are victims of her political ambitions if that is the case.
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JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments)
on Monday, September 1, 2008 at 2:09:38 AM
Comment from Ratings: Sounds and looks like the lady from Alaska is trying to give us a SNOW JOB !!! She fits right in the Neo-Cons open slot.
..........."If you've seen one, you've seen'em ALL!"............
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gen_dig (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 13 comments)
on Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 9:43:09 PM
Here's a scary thought. Suppose the story is true. There are several loose ends that can unravel. One obvious one is the identity of the child's father. To what lengths will the repugs go to stop "daddy" from coming forward or being identified?
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nachamkin (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments)
on Sunday, August 31, 2008 at 10:36:31 PM
I think the photo from 2006 is simply being shown as comparison. Bristol seems heavier in the later photo, in areas that could be consistent with pregnancy.
But this is not about Bristol. This is about Sarah. Bristol is just a kid who possibly just experienced the most traumatic year of her life, who is caught in the crossfire.
If Trig is Bristol's baby, Sarah has alot of lies to explain, and possibly some illegalities regarding medical records and such.
If Trig is not Bristol's baby, Sarah did an incredibly foolhardy and irresponsible thing, by flying while in early labor. If she had delivered a baby on the plane with complications, I wonder what would have happened. Would an airplane land someplace unplanned if the life of the Governor was at stake? Women over 40 tend toward having more complications in labor and delivery. And taking this type of chance of delivering a baby already known to be special needs, in a place that cannot provide for the medical needs of the baby during the birth process, is not only an unconscionable risk for the baby, it sets a bad example to others. I don't think we want a person like that to be just one 72-year-old step away from ruling the free world.
It seems like Sarah might be cooked , either way.
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Meryl Ann Butler (49 articles, 53 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 449 comments)
on Monday, September 1, 2008 at 12:18:03 AM
Children are supposed to be off limits in politics
If Trig is Bristol's baby,
This is wholesale speculation [blantant innuendo] by some anonymous poster on youtube, second hand from the Daily Kos. Frankly, the story seems libelous to me (defined as "the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual a negative image"). Again, the youtube poster is anonymous and makes charges unsupported by visual evidence as well as the word of Gov. Palin. This website purports to be a news site, not a gossip sheet-- it loses credibility when it posts this nonsense.
If Trig is not Bristol's baby,
Then the rest of your commentary about Gov. Palin is just your uninformed opinion about how she should birth her child. You don't claim to be an obstetrician and what you know about her situation is no more than I do (nothing), so all you're doing is invading Gov. Palin's privacy.
But don't let logic stop your fatuous prattle, I need to get out of here and take a shower.
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youngjim (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments)
on Monday, September 1, 2008 at 12:56:17 AM
Children aren't off-limits in politics if you lie about having a baby that is really the child of your 16-yr old daughter because it would look bad for your political career.
Were children off-limits when John McCain joked about Chelsea Clinton being so ugly because Janet Reno was her father?
Ms. Butler happens to be more of an expert than you or I will ever be, as she is a mother. And besides that, it doesn't take an expert to question the sanity of a decision to board a plane for an 8-hr flight while in labor. Anyone alive would rightly question that.
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JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments)
on Monday, September 1, 2008 at 2:29:08 AM
Just to clear up any confusion, my opinion is "informed" by my eight children, and by my own experiences with pregnancy and giving birth (and theirs).
And, since you brought it up, I would have to respond by saying that I suspect I know a great deal more than you about this subject.
Also, as far as "logic" is concerned: I think it is safe to assume that Trig is EITHER Sarah OR Bristol's child. and either way, there are big problems for Sarah.
JC: How gallant, thank you.
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Meryl Ann Butler (49 articles, 53 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 449 comments)
on Monday, September 1, 2008 at 2:45:16 AM
