Comment from Ratings:   Great job. I had peripherally wondered at a few of the anomalies described here, but hadn't focused on them til I saw this, which  certainly offers an intriguing question.

If I had just given birth, especially to a special needs baby, I personally would be putting that baby's needs for attention from its mother in a prioritized position in my agenda. There is no way this baby can get that kind of attention from Sarah if she is on the campaign trail. But maybe Bristol will come along as a "nanny."

It will be interesting to see if Bristol goes back to school in the fall, or if not, what the reasoning is for her not to return.

Being a person who has given birth, I can't imagine speaking in TX and flying to AK while in the early stages of labor, and being perkily back at work three days later - not only is rest required, but I wouldn't want to focus on anything but my new baby for longer than 3 days!   I read in one of the articles that Sarah Palin says she is breastfeeding Trig. Now, this is absolutely possible, whether Sarah is the mother or not - I have known of mothers who breastfed adopted babies. (There are mechanics and equipment involved, which can be researched, but bear in mind it is not impossible.)

What seems to be most damning is that all the photos were pulled off the net suddenly.

My heart goes out to poor Bristol if this is true - there is a young woman in a hellish trap: perhaps not allowed to feel like she can fully acknowledge her love for her own baby? Possibly forced to sever ties with the baby's father?   Has she been led to believe that she has sinned?

Clearly, abortion would not have been considered as a solution to this kind of situation, perhaps lying was. 

by Meryl Ann Butler (70 articles, 82 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 721 comments [29 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 1:19:34 PM

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the Jerry Springer Party.

by Mark Watterson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 207 comments [133 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:09:26 AM

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Ok. Nobody on her own staff knew she was pregnant. The people handling her schedule never had to schedule a doctor's appointment for her. She never looked pregnant.

Her 16-year old daughter was pulled out of school and sequestered for the preceding 5 months because she had "mono." The pictures clearly show a distinct bulge at the daughter's midsection, and the daughter looks in otherwise athletic condition.

Her doctor told her to go ahead and give a speech with amniotic fluid running down her leg. She didn't mind getting on a plane (and her doctor approved it) for 8 hours afterward, while in labor. She gives birth a month prematurely and is back at work 3 days later.

So the doctors and nurses, who obviously would have known that the baby was not borne by the governor, are complicit in this ruse. The records, if there are any, had to be falsified, including the birth certificate and Social Security card, which are crimes that bear harsh penalties if committed by a lowly member of the proletariat.

There must be those records as well as records of her prenatal care, sonograms, amniocentesis, prescriptions such as prenatal vitamins, etc.

Yes, I believe this is something that should be looked into as soon and as thoroughly as possible.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 3:12:34 PM

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Thank you for your information.

I have seen a picture of the sleeping baby's face. The comment with it was that the child was Eskimo.

Would it follow that Palin found out the baby's father was Native (i.e. not acceptable) and is trying to pass off his ethnicity with DS? If the baby has DS and she is breastfeeding, my understanding is that the mouth of a DS baby is often unable to successfully latch on. It doesn't seem that she could be back to work in 3 days considering the needs of a DS child... Or any child, really.

If this story has legs, she will be gone from the scene soon. But you are right about Bristol. She looks very sad.

The question for the voters is: how could McCain use her like this? What kind of a soul-less person is he, and Palin herself? (I know, Republican)Without complete vetting, he has compromised a lot re: judgement issues. But what if he is just play-acting at all this? Who is the Director? What's the next Act?

Keep reporting what you see and hear.

by grace mcguire (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 3:30:30 PM

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Newsflash:  Sarah's husband Todd is part Eskimo.  What a bigoted assumption, that just because someone's a Republican means they are somehow predisposed to only being tolerant of "white" people. 

I'm always told that the hate and bigotry comes from the right.  I'm seeing the exact opposite, especially in the case of Sarah Palin.

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 5:03:50 PM

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Your defense of the Gov's husband being Inuit serves to enforce my suspicion that he is the father of the child.  And his daughter is the mother.  Hence the disability and the Inuit ethnicity.

A DNA test could prove all... and by the way should be done by a publicly trusted method or the governor should resign her post as veep choice.

Either way, McSame is done. 

by Syndi Yellowbird (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:48:51 PM

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Personally I find this whole story inappropriate for a presidential race, and this 'gossip' just adds to the mockery made of the campaign by McCain's handlers (including their choice of VP).

I only came to this article because I was curious about what the H*** the big issue was. I am empathetic to young girls in Bristol's situation, and especially so to this cute little gal forced into the limelight, I agree she looks very sad and very confused by the whole thing.

Anyway, I don't think these commneters that you are blasting mean to be cruel or hypocritical. But those of us that are backing Obama are in attack mode after all the ugliness we've been enduring due to McCain's Karl Rove tactics: lies, lies and more lies. Enough already!

by Jacquie Bockius (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:33:43 PM

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Bristol "looks sad?" Come on -- "Obama looks bad," if we judge by his voting record, which Demos don't seem to care about.

I'm a Ron Paul supporter before you ask and we take voting records and lobbyist seriously 'round here, hahaha.

Hillary "looked sad" when Bill was caught cigarring the intern -- Maybe we should prioritize our witch hunts.

If what you guys are saying is true (hey I love to make weak premises result in solid conclusions as much as the next guy) then let's not judge a woman (like we didn't Hillary) for having a hard time keeping a family members sexual passions under her ontrol -- We are in the Hoochie Mama Music Movement there are not a lot of good role models for young girls; have you watched the "teen fights" on youtube over 40% of them are girls.

Plus humans have been having babies in their teens for like 99% of human history.

If what you say is true Sarah should have come out and said "look I have a singularly unique teenage girl who has pre-marital sex, we decided to love her and support her baby just the same."

However, let me tell you how harshly women judge other women (wow), Hillary was blamed for not keeping her man "satisfied" by other women -- a Mother is judged more harshly when it comes to her children. So, if this is true than I don't blame her.

McCain and Palin knew this would come out ahead of time, for whatever reason both thought it a good idea.

Octo

by Pablo Mises (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:41:53 PM

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Comment from Ratings:   The pictures you showed on the video had dates superimposed briefly. Can you develop a timeline for these with the timeline of Palin's "pregnancy/delivery"?

by grace mcguire (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 3:33:40 PM

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Here's at least one person who thought she was pregnant.  

If this were true, and I highly doubt it is, it would certainly disqualify her/him  on judgment grounds, if nothing else.  To keep this secret from McCain, or for McCain to know about it and still go with her ..... He/they shouldn't be leading the country.

Putting aside the politics, one can't help but admire the decision to have the baby (either Sarah or Bristol) and give it its due opportunity for life.  Anyone who's ever attended a Special Olympics event knows what I mean.  Whereas Obama would have likely counseled abortion for his daughter, and almost certainly if it had been diagnosed with Down syndrome.  I suspect that daughter would grow up regretful of that decision, and would be haunted by it to one degree or another.

Careful with this.  She has only to release her medical records, and like most candidates, probably will.

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:37:50 PM

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That seems to be the best thing for her to do. As soon as humanly possible.

And if she for some reason decides not to release them, I'd say there's a serious problem.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:45:53 PM

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… would answer the question of whether  Mr. Palin is the father of Trig, or not. And that would end the questioning quickly, assuming the DNA evidence is not tampered with.

If Mr. Palin is not baby Trig's biological father, that is evidence that Trig could possibly be the child of Bristol, (though, Trig could also be the product of Sarah and another gentleman. And, of course, it is a sad commentary on our society that even if Mr. Palin was proven to be the father, that would not necessarily prove that Bristol is not the mother—although that would, I hope for Bristol's sake, not be the case.)

I find no fault with Bristol, a minor child, if any of this is true. 

But here's the bigger issue: if there is truth to the fact that Trig is not Sarah's baby, a horrifying possibility emerges.

If Bristol’s water broke, and Sarah made the decision to STAY TO GIVE HER SPEECH in TX before flying home, would that mean that the birth process might have been artificially and medically delayed, in order to wait for Sarah to return?

If so, that seems like it would be child abuse of both Bristol and the unborn baby, as well as illegal medically, but possibly "necessary" to keep the ruse going -   It sure would have been a lot harder to cover up the truth, if in fact that is what's happening here,  if Trig had been born in AK while Sarah was still in TX, or in the air. Hence, some possible reasons for her making the very odd, and arguably dangerous,  decision to fly back to AK while she was allegedly in the early stages of labor.

by Meryl Ann Butler (70 articles, 82 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 721 comments [29 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 5:49:19 PM

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...by attacking a teen-age single mother and her retarded baby? Shame on OEN and its publisher. Where are the  "Hundreds of thousands of the smartest best educated most informed people" claimed by OEN? Acting just like Bush and McCain.

by James Cordray (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 56 comments) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:57:21 PM

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Okay, so you're convinced it's Bristol's baby? The problem is, Sarah lied about it. Bristol's a victim of Sarah's lust for power.

by Rob Kall (952 articles, 4177 quicklinks, 374 diaries, 2087 comments [45 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 10:20:19 PM

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No, there are no harsh feelings at all toward the teen mother or her child, if that is what the truth turns out to be. Nothing but sympathy there.

The problem is the lie. If this was all a lie to protect Palin's political career, and to cover up her daughter's teen pregnancy to avoid embarassment for Palin, that is a completely legitimate issue.

Her daughter and grandchild are victims of her political ambitions if that is the case.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:09:38 AM

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I agree. Leave well enough alone. No more need be said.

by Bucky the Commoner (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 62 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:48:26 PM

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Sorry, this is news. If this is true, I feel sorry for little Bristol and the whole family. However, if this is true, Gramma LIED.

by Shannon Rudolph (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 14 comments) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:42:31 PM

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Comment from Ratings:   Sounds and looks like the lady from Alaska is trying to give us a SNOW JOB !!! She fits right in the Neo-Cons open slot. ..........."If you've seen one, you've seen'em ALL!"............

by gen_dig (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:43:09 PM

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Here's a scary thought. Suppose the story is true. There are several loose ends that can unravel. One obvious one is the identity of the child's father. To what lengths will the repugs go to stop "daddy" from coming forward or being identified?

by nachamkin (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 10:36:31 PM

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At the beginning of the Bush/Cheney administration, Dick Cheney held closed-door meetings with CEOs and lobbyists from energy industries.  Sarah Palin has already done the same: See Sarah Palin and the Closed Door Energy Forum Where Her Water Broke.

by Barbara Bellows-TerraNova (25 articles, 1 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 83 comments) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:43:09 PM

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On this page are numerous pictures of Sarah Palin pregnant with child.

http://tinyurl.com/5qlvnk

The picture of the family used in the video also appears on the cited page and is from 2006, well before the birth of Gov. Palin's daughter.

by youngjim (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Sunday, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:43:57 PM

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I think the photo from 2006 is simply being shown as comparison. Bristol seems heavier in the later photo, in areas that could be consistent with pregnancy.

 But this is not about Bristol. This is about Sarah. Bristol is just a kid who possibly just experienced the most traumatic year of her life, who is caught in the crossfire. 

If Trig is Bristol's baby, Sarah has alot of lies to explain, and possibly some illegalities regarding medical records and such. 

If Trig is not Bristol's baby, Sarah did an incredibly foolhardy and irresponsible thing, by flying while in early labor. If she had delivered a baby on the plane with complications, I wonder what would have happened. Would an airplane land someplace unplanned if the life of the Governor was at stake? Women over 40 tend toward having more complications in labor and delivery. And taking this type of chance of delivering a baby already known to be special needs, in a place that cannot provide for the medical needs of the baby during the birth process, is not only an unconscionable risk for the baby, it sets a bad example to others. I don't think we want a person like that to be just one 72-year-old step away from  ruling the free world. 

It seems like Sarah might be cooked , either way. 

by Meryl Ann Butler (70 articles, 82 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 721 comments [29 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:18:03 AM

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If Trig is Bristol's baby,

This is wholesale speculation [blantant innuendo] by some anonymous poster on youtube, second hand from the Daily Kos. Frankly, the story seems libelous to me (defined as "the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual a negative image").  Again, the youtube poster is anonymous and makes charges unsupported by visual evidence as well as the word of Gov. Palin.  This website purports to be a news site, not a gossip sheet-- it loses credibility when it posts this nonsense.

If Trig is not Bristol's baby,

Then the rest of your commentary about Gov. Palin is just your uninformed opinion about how she should birth her child.  You don't claim to be an obstetrician and what you know about her situation is no more than I do (nothing), so all you're doing is invading Gov. Palin's privacy.

 But don't let logic stop your fatuous prattle, I need to get out of here and take a shower.

by youngjim (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:56:17 AM

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Children aren't off-limits in politics if you lie about having a baby that is really the child of your 16-yr old daughter because it would look bad for your political career.

Were children off-limits when John McCain joked about Chelsea Clinton being so ugly because Janet Reno was her father?

Ms. Butler happens to be more of an expert than you or I will ever be, as she is a mother. And besides that, it doesn't take an expert to question the sanity of a decision to board a plane for an 8-hr flight while in labor. Anyone alive would rightly question that.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:29:08 AM

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Youngjim:

Just to clear up any confusion, my opinion is "informed" by my eight children, and by my own  experiences with pregnancy and giving birth (and theirs).

And,  since you brought it up, I would have to respond by saying that I suspect I know a great deal more than you about this subject. 

Also, as far as "logic" is concerned: I think it is safe to assume that Trig is EITHER Sarah OR Bristol's child. and either way, there are big problems for Sarah. 

JC: How gallant, thank you.

by Meryl Ann Butler (70 articles, 82 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 721 comments [29 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:45:16 AM

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Anybody who has read a book about pregnancy knows that a fourth or fifth pregnancy is generally considered high risk. Plus, the mother was over 40 (strike 2), and the child was known to be high risk (strike 3). And labor in fourth or fifth pregnancies generally proceeds more quickly than in first or second. Therefore, it would seem to any thinking person that, if Trig was born to Ms. Palin, she was taking unreasonable risks by flying 8 hours while in labor. So, I believe this issue is relevant and I question her judgement in this matter, and her priorities.

by Carol Mannarino (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:18:18 PM

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Comment from Ratings:   What were her staff members, associates, reporters, friends, neighbors or anyone else who heard she was pregnant -- although she didn't appear to be -- saying or sharing with each other? How was the contradiction kept so hidden?

by Barbara Jean (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:09:50 AM

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by mysticalme (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:05:29 AM

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for sharing your personal story, there is nothing like the voice of experience to bring some clarity. I hope your birth experience ended up being wonderful, or at least safe and with a happy outcome.

by Meryl Ann Butler (70 articles, 82 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 721 comments [29 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:59:12 PM

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If Bristol was so sick with mono that she had to be out of school for five months, shouldn't she have been hospitalized for at least part of that time?  And if her mother was pregnant, would she have had to be quarantined? Also, during the five months, Bristol Palin received 3 different traffic violations including one for a collision with another car.  Why was she out driving around when she was so sick?

by mysticalme (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:43:58 AM

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I understand that mono is VERY contagious for members within a household. And I understand that Bristols documented auto accident, occured at or very near a medical clinic. 

by Meryl Ann Butler (70 articles, 82 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 721 comments [29 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:01:47 PM

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Time to call in The National Enquirer to find out the truth!!! If this story is true, the plotting, the coverup, the lie, it shows deception and poor judgement on the part of Ms. Palin. That is what concerns me.

by Linda Bailey (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 68 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:44:28 AM

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that the National Enquirer will probably have photos to prove that the baby's father is an extra terrestrial!

by Meryl Ann Butler (70 articles, 82 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 721 comments [29 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:03:19 PM

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I suppose we'll find out eventually whose baby it is.

While it must be embarrassing for her with her "Just say No" schtick to have a pregnant teenager, it seems a bit extreme to claim the baby as hers if it isn't.

It almost seems as if Palin wants everyone to think it's hers, deciding to have this handicapped baby anyway, (something Alan Williams seems to admire) to give herself the "Right-to-Life" creds she thinks she'll need to appeal to Fundies and "Balance the ticket".  Plus, then she can tell all the OTHER women how to run their reproductive lives! 

Those Repugs will do anything to get elected!

by Bia Winter (6 articles, 2 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 756 comments [119 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:04:27 AM

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there were some sick people on this site, but this takes the cake! I say hang this woman without a trial! Burn her at the stake.

The truth is that this woman who won governorship over the good old boys, who has a 90% approval rating, who drives herself to work, who raises her own children, who cooks and cleans and appears totally normal...scares the crap out of you.

So drag out the malicious dirty laundry, find some way to demonize her, put up your very best "Maury Show" lack of intelligence and decency.

I only pray that none of you ever serve on a jury.

by Mike Folkerth (120 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 566 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:04:07 AM

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This has nothing at all to do with sitting in judgment about a teen pregnancy. You have to understand, intelligent thinker that you are, how very relevant this is to the decision to vote for a vice-president who makes her whole platform on family values and abstinence-only programs.

For her to tell such a lie for political purposes instead of just coming out with the truth and being supportive of her daughter, loving her and being proud of her even though she made a mistake - all to save herself embarassment? All to keep from having to adjust her political positions and actually become a little more understanding and tolerant of people, and admitting that we are all mere mortals who make human mistakes?

I don't know whether this story is true or not. I actually hope that it isn't. But Mike, look at the evidence. It would be irresponsible NOT to demand to know more about the facts in this case. It would be burying our heads in the sand to pretend that there is not something here that just doesn't seem to add up.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:52:05 AM

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You said, "I don't know whether this story is true or not. I actually hope that it isn't."And that is exactly my point.

Please read the comments that were posted. They are horrible. Not only do they suggest that the story may not be true, the demeanor suggests that they are praying that they are true. 

The ploy of throwing out some "unsubstantiated" damaging news, is nothing new. Just the process of denying and defending ones position is damaging...just as it was intended to be.

The horrible divisions that are nurtured in our country by party line politics will kill us all.

by Mike Folkerth (120 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 566 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:15:37 AM

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I should have provided at least one good example.

Meryl Ann Butler said,

"Also, as far as "logic" is concerned: I think it is safe to assume that Trig is EITHER Sarah OR Bristol's child. and either way, there are big problems for Sarah."

So there we have it folks, Judge, Jury and Executioner Butler has spoken.

Grace McGuire said, "I have seen a picture of the sleeping baby's face. The comment with it was that the child was Eskimo. Would it follow that Palin found out the baby's father was Native (i.e. not acceptable)?"

Good job Grace, ya see, Sarah Palins husband is part Inupiat and both Sarah and he were born in Dillingham, a predominantly native village. So yes, the child is part Alaska native and quite acceptable.

by Mike Folkerth (120 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 566 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:35:55 AM

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... jury, and executioner.

 I  have not made a proclamation, decision, nor judgment, except that there seem to be questions about things directly related to Sarah Palin’s sense of ethics and judgement that need answering.

I don’t know that, at this point in time, we know which questions do. But some do for sure.

If Trig is Bristol’s child, the problems for Sarah are obvious, may include illegalities, and would require some explaining.

If Trig is Sarah’s child, a very big issue is the reckless act of flying while in labor, possibly putting others in danger. See mysticalme’s post above, for some firsthand enlightenment on this condition.

So , here are the options:

1. Sarah lied
2. Sarah was reckless
3. Another option that explains the above to everyone’s satisfaction

I don’t want a liar or reckless person running for VP, or being VP. And as far as “c” is concerned, well, we’d have to find out what that was, in order to make an informed decision.

The point is, that there seems to be some highly irregular and very odd things going on  here. And when those kinds of things are happening around a public servant, especially one so close to being president, it is the job of the American people to find out what’s up. 

by Meryl Ann Butler (70 articles, 82 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 721 comments [29 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:23:39 PM

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Not sure if this has been reported here yet, doesn't look like it, but it turns out Bristol is currently five months pregnant. 

So I guess that pretty much takes the air out of this nonsense.  There was something there, just not exactly what you guys were hoping.

Now I guess you can think up some other attacks, which hopefully will at least be based on reality.  

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:43:15 AM

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OK, do you believe that? I just made it up. See how easy it is to make something up. Show me an ultrasound and a doctor's report that she is 5 months pregnant and I'll believe you.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 113 quicklinks, 240 diaries, 1413 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:07:18 PM

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Washington Post:

"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,"' a senior aide said

by Pat Smith (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 70 comments [11 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:59:14 AM

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I beg to differ with that 'selective memory' you have. It wasn't too long ago that Barack and Michelle Obama were ducking many malicious lies and rumors fueled by the Karl Rove Republicans. Lets see here, the muslim lie, the 'whiteygate' lie, trashing their reputation just because of their vulnerability as a black couple with a less than standard name, his family's name being drudged through the mud, Several vindictive books written (Jerome Corsi) without a care for checking the facts, McCains own slanderous speeches against Obama (pot calling the kettle black blatant hypocrisy) , etc. etc. etc.

Let's remember who has set the precedent for swiftboat campaign tactics, and We The people have every right to be curious about the HOLIER THAN THOU Repubican candidates.

by Jacquie Bockius (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:32:43 PM

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Since this story came out I've been pretty curious at the possibility it may have some truth to it.  Would anyone be surprised to find out.....Bristol is currently pregnant.......again?  I gave up soap operas a long time ago thanks to the great reading material out there....

Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child. Read on: click here

This still doesn't prove Bristol isn't Trig's mother.  Actually, you are extremely fertile after giving birth.  Interesting indeed and I look forward to this story developing further.  

by Mrs P (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:41:35 PM

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Now you're just being silly.  Do you also believe in "controlled demolition"?

Both are technically possible, perhaps, but there's no evidence for either, and both are highly unlikely.

But if it gives you comfort to believe it, I say go for it!

Demand a new, independent investigation!  Palin's family was an inside job!

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:56:13 PM

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Comment from Ratings:   Congratulations; I had written to them accusing of being a red herring for the mass media, then found this excellent piece on OEN, then went back to Huff, which then, about a half hour after I first checked out Huff, had a story claiming that the daughter is NOW pregnant. The can of worms is opened, and I didn't hesitate to tell Huff that as of earlier in the day, they were ignoring the biggest story on the Net. Best, Danny Fields

by korduroy (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:52:34 PM

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Comment from Ratings:   I have lots of doubts about her judgement to have a baby in her 40's but if it is true about Bristol then I can check that doubt off. :)

by tginmn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 69 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:00:23 PM

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Not sure if this has been reported here yet, doesn't look like it, but it turns out Bristol is currently five months pregnant. 

So I guess that pretty much takes the air out of this nonsense.  There was something there, just not exactly what you guys were hoping.

Now I guess you can think up some other attacks, which hopefully will at least be based on reality.   

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:09:24 PM

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How much U want to bet that the daughter has a miscarriage in a few months? This is very contrived and no doubt, very true that this first one, Trig is the daughter's baby and not Sarah's or they would not have responded in this manner. Seems like they are trying to make it "morally" right so they can keep in good standing with the masses...

Palin says daughter, 17, is pregnant - Yahoo! News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080901/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_daughter

by Anita Stewart (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 67 comments [7 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:30:02 PM

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You do realize, or do you, that you're undermining your candidate, (I'm assuming he's your candidate, I guess) and not helping him? 

You guys are steering into the same nonsensical waters occupied by the 9/11 "inside job" contingent, which also is the political kiss of death for anyone uninformed enough to buy into their silliness. 

So, keep it up!  At least 9/11 has a few nuts on the right for ballast, but you guys are sailing solo on this one.

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:25:51 PM

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Even if you want to believe that this candidate is one you can back, regardless of the baby issue, she lies. A lot. (I do believe the whole world has had enough of that characteristic in their top leaders.)

So, is 5 months pregnant really 4? 

by grace mcguire (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:49:47 PM

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No, what I'm doing is looking objectively at all the evidence currently at my disposal and developing as complete a hypothesis as possible. I have also not yet come to a definite conclusion. The evidence, so far, weighs heavily in favor of something being wrong in Denmark.

This is brand-new, and the way things get worked out is to research and analyze, considering the evidence both for and against a likely outcome. When I first saw the headline of this story, I felt a twinge of annoyance because I don't like it when claims like this are made lightly, or are unfounded, or based on some flimsy minutia. I clicked on the link fully expecting to see some kind of ridiculous nonsense like when Rove and Bush put out that disgusting rumor that McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child. Or that, per Michelle Malkin, Kerry shot himself to get a purple heart.

But Alan, this isn't one of those kinds of stories. The evidence is plentiful, consistent, and convincing. I can look with my own eyes at the pictures, read the first-hand accounts by those who have absolutely no reason to lie, and indeed, had no opportunity to lie.

You can't label everything a conspiracy theory that entails investigation and objective analysis, Alan. I didn't go looking for this. It's here, and it is deserving of inspection. And I assure you that in this case, my evaluation of the available evidence has been totally unbiased.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:24:00 PM

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Please tell us!  What evidence?  There is no evidence whatsoever at  this point.  It is bizarre to state that any "analysis" has been done or is due.  Of what?  The fact that you appear to be a plolific member of this community and wrote the above truly reveals much.  I avoid ad hominem attacks, but it is very difficult in this case.

by E Lew (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:28:14 PM

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Nobody on her own staff knew she was pregnant. The people handling her schedule never had to schedule a doctor's appointment for her. She never looked pregnant. No one could believe the news.

From the Anchorage Alaska Daily News (3/6/08)

JUNEAU -- Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she's expecting her fifth child.

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Palin said she's already about seven months along, with the baby due to arrive in mid-May.

That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim, simply doesn't look pregnant.

Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.

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But people just couldn't believe the news.

"Really? No!" said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself.

"It's wonderful. She's very well-disguised," said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. "When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child."

And:

Mat-Su Regional, the hospital where Trig Palin was delivered, surprisingly does not list Trig on their own list of babies born in that facility for that day of April 18th. A peculiar oddity, as hospitals are usually proud when a local celebrity gives birth within  their facility.

 Palin at 7 months. (with Trig, supposedly)

Palin at 7 months with previous child.

Her 16-year old daughter was pulled out of school and sequestered for the preceding 5 months because she had "mono." The pictures clearly show a distinct bulge at the daughter's midsection, and the daughter looks in otherwise athletic condition.

And pictures of Bristol pregnant with Trig?

Palin's doctor told her to go ahead and give a speech with amniotic fluid running down her leg. She didn't mind getting on a plane (and her doctor approved it) for 8 hours afterward, while in labor. The flight crew She gives birth a month prematurely and is back at work 3 days later.

So the doctors and nurses, who obviously would have known that the baby was not borne by the governor, are complicit in this ruse. The records, if there are any, had to be falsified, including the birth certificate and Social Security card, which are crimes that bear harsh penalties if committed by a lowly member of the proletariat.

There must be those records as well as records of her prenatal care, sonograms, amniocentesis, prescriptions such as prenatal vitamins, etc.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:21:06 PM

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I would hope that this type of sleaze is kept out of the race.

by Jack Lohman (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 8:02:59 PM

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This IS politics in America and while the two twins, the Democrats and Republicans keep you all occupied the country continues to be managed poorly by corporate America and the banking elite.

Does anyone really care about Palin? More accurately, should anyone really care about Palin.

This country is a Police State if you've bothered to tune in to the realities of the Republican Convention. Freedom is an illusion fostered by American Idol and Nascar Races. The bars of your imprisonment are invisible, hidden by non-issues debated by two parties, neither of which represent the American Public. Twins.

What about economic circumstances, education, pollution, global Imperialism, mainstream media control, oil and the corporate control of America? 

However, I did follow all the links because the story has plain old human interest attached to it. Now, carry on... 

by jeff prager (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 188 comments) on Monday, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:33:47 PM

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that this is simply about Palin's honesty? We've had enough with liars in the White House.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:50:05 AM

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I would not be surprised, given the political leanings of Daily Kos, that the Repugs themselves leaked the rumor first that the Downs-syndrome baby was Palin's daughters', so that they now can bluster about how the Dems are being so mean and intolerant to her and her poor daughter, etc etc, when the brave woman was just protecting her daughter, and how heroic to NOT end the preganancy... yadadyadayada........
Yes, pure Rovian Cheap-shot chicanery!

(And what is this "Is Obama Finnished " twaddle here? That in itself  is a ROVIAN way to put a question!))

by Bia Winter (6 articles, 2 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 756 comments [119 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:34:27 AM

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Keep it up, guys.  In fact, it opens the door to reminding people of vastly worse misbehavior on the Democrat side, such as Clinton's Monica-gate, troopergate, file-gate, a hundred more gates, Obama's Rezko and Ayers connection, Biden's plagiarism and draft-dodging, Ted Kennedy's concern for career over the life of Mary-Jo, on and on and on.

Trouble is, with Palin, at least so far, whatever misbehavior she's been alleged to have had is based not on selfish pleasure or self-promotion, but on the love and defense of a family member, or even if your little rumor was true, which it's not BTW, on respect for life.

You may actually be helping her.

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:31:59 PM

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About ten years ago and a certain intern was making headlines -- the Republicans kept saying, "It's not about sex -- it's about lying." Now the shoe is one the other foot. So, it's sure to be interesting.

I, too, have given birth. When my water broke, I couldn't walk! 

Now, some women are more strong than others, but at the very least, Ms. Palin showed extremely poor judgment, for both her own well-being and that of her child, in getting on that plane. I'm shocked that any doctor would have approved that. Perhaps she didn't really call her doctor? I have a hard time imagining any of the ob-gyn's I know giving that kind of advice.

It is impossible to do more than speculate about what has gone on in that family -- the evidence visible from the outside suggests it is rather disfunctional.

No young woman should be giving birth to a child before she has finished her education. The evidence has been clear for a long time -- abstinence-only sex education increases the rate of teenage pregnancy. And that is the message that everyone should take away from this -- the "poster woman" for abstinence-only sex education could not prevent her own daughter from getting pregnant. Good, frank, honest, and voluminous sex education, along with training in the care of babies and small children, reduces teenage pregnancy and at the same time, saves teen lives by reducing their exposure to STD's.

What bothers me much more about Sarah Palin is that she is a know-nothing on climate change (the Alaskan tundra is melting underneath her, but she still wants to burn petroleum) and she is heartless with respect to the animals of the far North. Her only regret with the loss of polar bears, walruses and other Arctic wildlife is that they won't be around for her to shoot them. This is, to me, a much more damaging comment.

Next up, she is one of those people who elevates the conceptus (aka blastocyst, the state of sperm+egg for the first 21 days or so after sperm met egg) to the level of fully developed human being and gives that conceptus the same rights as to already existing humans. A conceptus is a pre-human biological condition. It has not organs and no soul, but lord does it have political clout.

No woman should be required to bear a child of rape. This is inhumane beyond belief. The child of a rapist is a burden for the victim to bear and to force her to bear it is to treat her like a cow.

These Palin issues are far more important than the whole pregnancy thing.

What the pregnancy debate confirms is that she has very bad judgment -- almost as bad as McCain's. Perhaps this is why he chose her. It is said that other Republican candidates for VP nominee had "too much baggage" while Sarah Palin had none. She is clearly getting quite a lot, and that shows she was not carefully vetted by the GOP campaign insiders. So, what does that sayabout their judgment? In a way, this is all pitiful. Simply pitiful.

by S. E. Hoffman (2 articles, 6 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 28 comments) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:41:53 PM

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by magginkat (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 21 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:06:14 PM

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Comment from Ratings:   You cannot have someone 5 months pregnant immediately after giving birth, so this whole thing, no matter if it is this slimeball or anyone else's video; they are all wrong. What a hack and a lousy pimply-faced one at that. No name as usual for these types of lowlife who crawl out from under rocks to shoot at innocent passers-by.

by Bubblechaser (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:17:00 PM

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Was it really necessary for OEN to use a play from the Bushite playbook and drag out ineptly-named "Babygate" for three days? Is any of us in a position to judge Sarah Palin's competence as a mother, or Bristol's moral fiber? We may not like or approve of these events, but neither has much to do with politics. The only stories of interest that I can see in Bristol's situation are the hypocrisy of (1) the right-wing's abstinence-only fairytale and (2) their departure from pouncing on the life-and-death decisions of other families, such as Mark Schiavo's and absolutely any pregnant woman's. If Palin were Black, or a Democratic Party candidate, you can believe this would not have imediately been labeled "a family matter".

 But that's them. I thought we were far better than that. The Britney Spears treatment is ugly and inappropriate. Wipe off the drool and move on. 

by Joyce Levine (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:27:38 PM

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Maternal age influences the chances of conceiving a baby with Down syndrome. At maternal age 20 to 24, the probability is one in 1562; at age 35 to 39 the probability is one in 214, and above age 45 the probability is one in 19.[14] Although the probability increases with maternal age, 80% of children with Down syndrome are born to women under the age of 35,[15] reflecting the overall fertility of that age group. Recent data also suggest that paternal age, especially beyond 42,[16] also increases the risk of Down Syndrome manifesting in pregnancies in older mothers.[17]

From Wikipedia. The likelihood of a Down's Syndrome baby being born to a young woman is slight.

An older woman, the older when the pregnancy occurs, much, much more likely. In fact, the mother's age seems to be the major determinant factor.

So get off it, it's probably most definitely Palin's baby, she was probably too old to have one at that point without risk.

I find this sort of thing sexist, even though ideologically I totally disagree with Palin's positions. 

by Marnie Baker (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:56:49 PM

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Comment from Ratings:   Now, it all makes sense. I was wondering why a 44 year old woman with four grown children would have another child. I mean hasn't she ever heard of birth control or tubal ligation? I do not stand in judgment of her daughter having a baby out of wedlock. I mean, we can't control our children. I do have a major problem with the Governor covering up for her daughter. But, that is of course how the Republicans do it. What a bunch of hypocrites!

by Merylr (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 19 comments) on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:40:51 AM

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I love our dry sense of humor and sardonic amusement. Their side has to put everything in caps and shout over the airwaves. We can just sit back and quietly mull things over and carefully make a case.

Thanks for the great video. It's just enough to make you go "Hmmmmmn." 

by Jennifer Epps (7 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 32 comments) on Thursday, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:17:32 AM

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Comment from Ratings:   Thanks for the post ...very interesting... You are right...the daughter did not look happy...

by russ king (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Saturday, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:46:53 PM

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