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Interview Transcript: Frederick Clarkson on Reverend Moon and the Unification Church

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Frederick:  The Unification Church, yeah.

Rob: The Unification Church. Do they still own it?

Frederick:  They do. There have been some re-shapings of their business and media empire. It's in a couple of pieces now, and there's a lot of infighting going on among Moon Singer associates and members of his family and it's all pretty ugly. But yes, Washington Times is still part of the empire.

Rob: What else is part of the empire here in the United States?

Frederick:  Oh. well let's see. Among the media things, the venerable international wire service, United Press International is a part of their empire.

Rob: UPI?

Frederick:  Yeah, it has been for many years. In fact, you may remember the long time White House correspondent Helen Thomas who always sat in the front row and always got to ask the first question, because she was the senior reporter. When the Moon organization bought UPI, she resigned.

Rob: Wow.

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Frederick:  She later became a columnist. So she continued to hold her seat, but she was no longer a reporter for UPI.

Rob: Wow. What else is part of his empire in the U.S.?

Frederick:  Hundreds, if not thousands of businesses. They own a handgun manufacturing plant in Worcester, Massachusetts. They own New Yorker Hotel across the street from Madison Square in New York City.

Rob: Oh, I go there. That's terri--okay. Keep going.

Frederick:  Let's see. They own a chain of--

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Rob: I don't stay there but I've been there for conferences.

Frederick:  I've been there as well. There used to be a cable television studio in there. Well, the last time I was there, you walk into the hotel lobby and it's full of Koreans and that alone might not be surprising but you go into the newsstands, concession stand at the hotel, just like any other, and you find The New York Times, The Daily News and The Unification News, which is the churches monthly newspaper. But yes, vast real estate business and media holdings, Japanese restaurants, health food stores, all kinds of stuff; fishing fleets, Gloucester in Bayou La Batre, Alabama; they basically have taken over a good deal of the shrimping industry in the Gulf. It's enormous.

Rob: It's amazing. And how have they influenced our culture? How have they influenced, as you said, the development of the American Conservative Movement since the 60s?

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Someday I hope there will be no new bad news. Just... by Kim Cassidy on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:00:55 AM
Rob, I had no idea! I had not heard any of this be... by Jillian Barclay on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:06:35 PM
I've seen this on other websites but was not sure ... by eric stone on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:07:58 AM
Rob Kall was right to highlight the life of Rev. M... by Peter Duveen on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:05:03 AM
Maybe I should learn from Rev Moon. Okay, her... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:19:38 AM
Rob, not sure where the "Yuk" comes from. Let's se... by Peter Duveen on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:53:44 PM
Oh yeah, aren't you the guy always there, at the l... by Kim Cassidy on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:15:03 PM
Kim, can you be more specific? I'm not about to re... by Peter Duveen on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41:04 PM
Never mind. Take all the time you need to study th... by Kim Cassidy on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:39:52 PM
About my comment to you, here's why... Even thoug... by Kim Cassidy on Tuesday, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:31:09 AM
[[moonies]]... by Daniel Geery on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:25:09 PM
I find it disturbing that Clarkson pretends not to... by Lisa De Witt on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:07:37 PM
The Reverend Sung Myung Moon, is a perfidious figu... by Nelson Robison on Tuesday, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:08:46 AM