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Interview Transcript: Frederick Clarkson on Reverend Moon and the Unification Church

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Frederick:  Yes, they were--

Rob: Now, that also was involved in the October Surprise that got Bush senior elected.

Frederick:  Probably, I don't know specifically the details, or I can't easily recall them; but yeah, the kinds of spooky networks that gave us the October Surprise would certainly have been involved.

Rob: So, do you think, now that he's dead, that new surprises and disclosures about him will start to unfold?

Frederick:  Yeah, very much so. There are active lawsuits between some of his senior associates and his children over control of pieces of the empire. And there are organizational coups, they're throwing each other out and they're suing to get back in, and stuff like that. So, already there's very interesting paper trails about who's got the money and where it went and those sorts of things. So, that litigation is ongoing and I'm sure we'll be seeing lots more.

Rob: Well, one of the reasons I wanted to have you on the show was to talk about fundamentalism in general. But first, I want to do a station ID. This is the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show, WNJC 1360 AM out of Washington Township, reaching metro Philly and South Jersey; sponsored by . If you forget the name just Google (search) "liberal news" or "progressive opinion," and will come up first. It's not something you can buy, it's something you earn.

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The show basically attempts to explore aspects of Progressive politics, and I call it the Bottom Up Radio Show, because I believe we're in a transition from a top down world that started when humans changed from a million years of indigenous tribal society to civilization, to a top down world. Now we're transitioning back to a bottom up world, that has been catalyzed by the internet.

   Now, my guest tonight is Frederick Clarkson. He's a senior fellow at Political Research Associates. He's a longtime observer of the  religious right, including Reverend Moon and it was the death of Reverend Moon the other day that inspired me to invite him.

   Now, what I wanted to know from you, in terms of just a religious right in general, is to get an idea of top down religion versus bottom up religion. I remember back--was it the 60s or the 70s when Moon was pushing people in the United States--his Moonie followers, which I think they disappeared after awhile, at least in the U.S. Maybe I'm wrong.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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Someday I hope there will be no new bad news. Just... by Kim Cassidy on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:00:55 AM
Rob, I had no idea! I had not heard any of this be... by Jillian Barclay on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:06:35 PM
I've seen this on other websites but was not sure ... by eric stone on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:07:58 AM
Rob Kall was right to highlight the life of Rev. M... by Peter Duveen on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:05:03 AM
Maybe I should learn from Rev Moon. Okay, her... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:19:38 AM
Rob, not sure where the "Yuk" comes from. Let's se... by Peter Duveen on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:53:44 PM
Oh yeah, aren't you the guy always there, at the l... by Kim Cassidy on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:15:03 PM
Kim, can you be more specific? I'm not about to re... by Peter Duveen on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41:04 PM
Never mind. Take all the time you need to study th... by Kim Cassidy on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:39:52 PM
About my comment to you, here's why... Even thoug... by Kim Cassidy on Tuesday, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:31:09 AM
[[moonies]]... by Daniel Geery on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:25:09 PM
I find it disturbing that Clarkson pretends not to... by Lisa De Witt on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:07:37 PM
The Reverend Sung Myung Moon, is a perfidious figu... by Nelson Robison on Tuesday, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:08:46 AM