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Transcript: Glen Ford on Groundhogs Day, Susan Rice, Gaza, Obama, and the Silence of the Progressives

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Thanks to  Don Caldarazzo for help editing the transcript. 

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Glen Ford Interview:

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Rob :   My guest tonight is Glen Ford.  He is the executive editor of , the host of Black Agenda Radio on Progressive Radio Network.  He is the co-founder of Black Commentator, and a former White House and State Department correspondent.  Welcome to the show!

Glen : Rob, Thanks so much to be here with you.

Rob : It's a pleasure, and we were just reviewing; it's been a long time.  The last time you were on was shortly after Obama was elected, and here we are again.  We've gotta make it happen more often, because I love what you do, and what you say.  So, here's a great opportunity to dive into all kinds of stuff.  I have a long list.

Glen :  About two weeks ago, we wrote an article called, "Groundhog Day."  That is, we're seeing the same days, the same political behavior repeating itself.  So, the fact that we were on four years ago talking about the incoming Obama administration and now we're talking about the second term; it's still like Groundhog Day.

Rob : I'm feeling like Bill Murray (laughs)

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Glen : (laughs) Yep.

Rob : I know what's going to happen next I guess! (laughs)

Glen : Yes you do.  (laughs) Trust yourself, you do.  (laughs)

Rob : Well, I've got a long list of things I want to talk to you about, but maybe we can start by talking about your goals for activism, and how you see anything positive going on, and directions that are important in terms of positive activism, and what we can do, and how we can make some changes happen.

Glen : Well, one thing we have learned over the last eight years, not just the last four years, is that if we thought we had an anti-war movement, we were wrong.  We had an anti-Republican war movement, which quickly disappeared once there was no Republican in office.  So, we don't have an anti-war movement.  We used to have a black movement, or at least the vestiges of the movement that used to exist.  We don't have that anymore.  The ascension of the first black president has effectively neutralized Black America as a political force, and since we believe that black America comprises at least half, or used to comprise at least half, of what could reasonably be called the Progressive constituency in the United States.  That is a huge tragedy for any prospect in the near future, that is, in the next four years, for any rejuvenation of a Progressive movement in the country.  So, I'm sorry to start off so pessimistically, but that's how we read it.

Rob : Well, this is kind of picking up where we left of four years ago, and I agree with you entirely.  The peace movement, and so much of activism has been, I don't know if the right word is sabotaged, co-opted, by people who say "well, let's go along with Obama," you know.  And frankly, four years ago I bought into it a lot more.  This time around, I'm a different person, with a different set of eyes, and you helped me to wake up to it, too.  Thank you.

Glen : And that's why for the last year, we've been describing Obama as the more effective evil.  That doesn't mean that our assessment is that Barack Obama is more evil than George Bush, or Mitt Romney, or any of the Republican menagerie, but that he is able to achieve those goals of George Bush, and that we think Romney, would try to carry out.  He is able to achieve them because of the lack of resistance to the Right Wing agenda when the standard bearer is a Democrat, and especially a Black Democrat.

Rob : You know it makes me think of bootlegged whiskey.

Glen : (laughs) Well it will make you blind!

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.

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