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As conservative philosopher/commentator Stefan Molyneux put it in his latest video, "This Could be the End."


Now, as a progressive I disagree with the last third of his video where he blames the over-weaning power of the State for the war tendencies of the American republic since its founding, a time in which, he says, America has been engaged in a war 93% of the time. I have no reason to doubt that, but I would argue that if we have engaged in that many wars in that many eras, then perhaps it is something other than modern State control that is responsible. After all, there have been dictatorships that have been engaged in fewer wars than the U.S., though they might have been supported in making wars by the U.S. (I'm looking at you, Saudi Arabia).

But now, right now, our supposedly maverick conservative president is following the neocon script and "Trump to Decide Soon Whether to Retaliate for 'Barbaric Act' in Syria." By the time you read this, Trump may already have decided, and carried out, another bombing attack. He has already decided Russia and Putin are at fault:

Asked if President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, with whom Mr. Trump has sought to forge a friendship, bears responsibility, the president said: "He may and if he does it's going to be very tough, very tough. Everybody's going to pay a price. He will, everybody will."

Gone is the skepticism of the intelligence agencies. Gone are the campaign promises, which distinguished him from Hillary Clinton, of wanting to form better relations with Russia (despite congenially calling Putin to congratulate him on his over-whelming victory in the Russian presidential elections a few weeks ago).
During the campaign, Trump famously said:

"We have ISIS, and ISIS wants to go after Assad, but we're knocking the hell out of 'em -- even though it's not a very full-blown thing, we're still droppin' bombs all over the place and, you know, look, they're not exactly loving life over in Syria," he said of the terrorist group, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

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"So we're stopping them, to a certain extent, from going after Assad," he said in an interview with CNN's Erin Burnett. "You have Russia that's now there. Russia's on the side of Assad, and Russia wants to get rid of ISIS as much as we do, if not more, because they don't want 'em coming into Russia."

The traditional Left is no help here. Left-leaning media like CNBC has wall-to-wall hyper-repetitive Russiagate coverage during Prime Time, nearly every night. They take FBI, Mueller investigations at face value, and CIA and NSA allegations of Russian tampering too. There is no longer any healthy skepticism of the 3-letter agencies which have overthrown governments, possibly even in America (Kennedy), and certainly in Chile, Iran, and many, many other places.

There is therefore no major antiwar coalition. The Right is for war. So is the Left. Some progressives are against war, and a smattering of conservatives who voted for Trump thinking at least he didn't want a no-fly zone over Syria as Clinton did, that would surely have put us into direct conflict with Russia, supporting Assad.

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A true antiwar movement would be against war, period. It would say not only that war is a disagreeable alternative when none of the others had worked out, and anyway, most in Washington do not even come close to trying all the other alternatives. A true antiwar movement would say "War is the worst thing humanity can do to itself and we must avoid it."

Yet, Trump is weighing - all too quickly - whether to make the Syrian conflict into his war.

Russia has already said it will respond to any missile threats to its forces - not just actual attacks, but threats. We are closer to nuclear Armageddon than even during the Cuban Missile Crisis (CMC). At least during the CMC we had back channels. We had a relatively level-headed president. We didn't have an active war going on, just the threat of one, one that would end all wars forever. And today, today Monday, April 9th, is super-hawk John Bolton's first day as National Security Advisor. A proven liar and warmonger, Bolton is no counter-balance to...well, to what exactly? The State Department, run ineptly to the ground by Secretary of State Tillerson, until his replacement, also war-hawk, anti-Russia Mike Pompeo can be confirmed, is no counter-balance. Until then, the State Department is "officially rudderless."

Does anyone doubt that things could quickly spiral out of control? Have they already?

Syria has never attacked America. They are a threat to our ally, Israel, but so is ISIS and even more so now-entrenched Iran in a weakened Syrian state. It is not in Israel's interest to see the disintegration of Syria, whether they believe that or not.

Is this the end? Your thoughts....

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I phoned both of my senators and told them to put a stop to this propaganda war before they got us all killed. the aide told me she taped my message. also told them they needed to recall the ousted Russian diplomatic corps and that Congress needs to take back its war powers and use whatever means they have to get Bolton out of the white house.I have been posting this message everywhere I can. We are late to this battle, and we need to get our collective asses in gear to stop this.

...and - Israel lobbed a missile attack on a Syrian airbase last nice causing casualties. Russian troops and the Red Crescent found no traces of a chemical or chlorine attack where this false flag attack was said to have occurred. We here all know it is BS but the general public is still getting its news from WaPo and CNN and know nothing.

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typo - Israel lobbed a missile attack last night.

There is no one in the Pentagon who would agree that US forces could dominate in a war against the combined forces of Russia and China. And yet that is what these lunatics are proposing - you can add in Iran, North Korea, and Ukraine. Needless to say Russia does not have military bases in 800 countries - only the US does. But Russia has nuclear weapons, making that a moot point.

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Moot.

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This is so frightening. That incompetent, ignorant, impulsive child will end this planet.

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Fair enough article Scott, But ISIS a threat to Israel? come on get real, I thought for a moment that when Trump said he was getting his people out of Syria, and soon very soon, that there may have been a light at the end of the tunnel, didn't take long for that to change, Could it have anything to do with the reported 350 meter column of oil in the Golan that has been laid claim to by some real scoundrels?
even though it belongs to Syria and no doubt they want it back
, along with the land

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wait... let me get this straight... someone unleashed nerve gas in Syria again (NOT Assad!) and we are going to lie about this again and bomb poor Syria AGAIN because someone, likely from OUR deep state, did this to the people of Syria, and we are going to lie and blame Assad AGAIN?! This is too sick.

with full veto power even if Congress stopped the executive order, the Unpresidential himself can veto anything, can't he? (thanks to Obama!) and we have a lying rabid war hawk in the State Dept... maybe extincting humanity though exocide is too slow for these mf's?!

i'm sorry about being this outraged and angry and horrified. for what it's worth i wrote my congresspeople. seems such a feeble attempt when the Owners' minds are made up! Any ideas on what else we can do to help the brainwashed mind-controlled masses see some truth?

I'm trying to decide who runs this country more; Israel or Saudi Arabia... Toss-up, I think...

and no, I said nothing about the Infant Terrible. That's a given that he is unstable as hell, and every day that we're not all nuked off the planet is a gift.

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'the brainwashed mind-controlled masses'

The only way to get through to them would be to somehow convince them an escalation of the war could possibly affect the coming football season in a major way. (Not sarcasm.)

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This chemical attack has all the earmarks of a false flag. It comes at a time Trump is mentioning getting out of Syria so the CIA, doing their thing of keeping the Globe in turmoil, throws chemicals in the air.

As long as the CIA is allowed to continue in its role of creating war scenarios there will never be peace on Earth.

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If the facts presented in this video previously linked by Jim Miles are correct, CIA forces (Special Ops) are getting their ass kicked by the Russians and are demanding the President escalate the situation by deploying 'his' forces.

Enter Bolton.


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The link didn't work for me.
But in any case, one longs for the days when Trump as openly skeptical of 3-letter agencies. That was one of the few good things about him. Whatever happened to that guy?

It's interesting the both the Right and the far Left can find reasons to agree to doubt the official narrative of the center media. This shows again what a tool of propaganda the 5-corporation led media has become, all playing the same tune.

And the American public may march along to it right into the End of Civilization.

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It is our job to wake them up. Personally I have risked long friendships by pounding the table on these issues.

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Try this: eo.com/263728681

It's a far cry from any 'news' we receive.

The war has already begun.

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I watched the UNSC session. Nikki Haley is a shameless wh*re and must be removed from her post. Can Congress achieve this?

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This is insane propaganda by our politicians delivered by MSM.

I'm posting this link to an epic rant by Tucker Carlson, because when he's right, he's right. I don't care which side of the aisle the average Joe is on, none wants war. This is well said. click here

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fresh air. wonder how long before he gets fired. Ed Schulz was fired from msnbc for opposing TTP and TTIP. Ironically, Obama had the right strategy in forming a trade pact to compete with the russia/china silk road. It was the clauses that killed it. It obliterated all national laws and all constitutional clauses and put the law in the hands of a corporate panel. yeah, right.

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Trump and his foes of the ruling elites and deep state are well beyond being schmucks.


They are in fact, Smucks.

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one more thought - That the UK officials are not permitting Yulia Skripal to speak is de facto proof that the charges are a lie. If she could speak freely, she would no doubt explain that both of them suffered from saxitoxin from bad shellfish at the restaurant. It is a naturally occurring nerve agent produced in shellfish by a red tide. Symptoms are identical to a lab produced neuro-toxin but milder. Victims can be healed with proper medical care.

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That's another example of the west's willingness to take unilateral action based on a flimsy allegation without proof.

We of course have the word of the intelligence services that Russia was behind it, which along with $2.50 (or whatever it's up to now) will get you on the NYC subway.

Unlike the alleged Syrian chemical weapons, it's not really illogical for the Kremlin to send a message to other spies thinking of defecting. I'm agnostic about whether they were really behind it. But the point is, you can't have the moral and legal high ground unless you're willing to present the evidence. The fact that the victims are alive but unavailable for interview is a pretty big red flag.

I don't think the polonium poisoning accusation a few years ago was ever seriously challenged, was it? And I don't remember it triggering a cascade of expelled diplomats. But now we're in the midst of anti-Russian hysteria, for reasons probably only the Bilderberg elite understand fully.

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Nobody was "behind it". If it were any sort of weaponized bioagent, they would both have died within seconds.

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If this guy is a conservative bring him on.

They haven't even bothered to alter the script. The last of the rebels are in retreat, the Potus announces his intention to pull out of Syria. Then Assad's forces launch an "alleged" chemical attack (watch the word "alleged" disappear from the MSM soon).

Why the hell would he do that?

Apply the classic crime investigator's principle: "Qui Bono?" Assad? Not at all, quite the contrary. What about the rebels? What about Israel?

The big losers are, of course, the victims of this probable false flag.

I'm not saying Assad is a knight on a white horse, but he's not stupid either.

No, I don't fear a nuclear holocaust over this. It's mostly theater. I think this "conservative philosopher" may be onto something when he posits a possible oil pipeline behind the west's determination to overthrow Assad.

Daniel's beloved Debbie could learn a lot from him. He speaks in clear paragraphs, has a real microphone and a camera with a decent lens, not a "selfie" shot. It doesn't take a Hollywood camera crew.

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Another point worth mentioning is that chlorine gas isn't some exotic chemical weapon, that couldn't possibly be used by anyone but a state player or if Assad really did get rid of all his CW. You can make chlorine from laundry bleach.

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As the Western Oligarchic Empire continues to lose control of the narrative and Eurasian integration progresses, the false flags of convenience crop up at a faster and more furious pace.

Something certainly has to give. Putin has advertised his warning to Washington in the starkest of terms yet the lunatics in charge seem hell bent on ignoring him and forging full steam ahead towards oblivion.

Why are we not ALL in the streets? This is madness and the silence of the masses is deafening.

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no kidding

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UNSC meeting - US vetoed Russia's proposal for an independent investigation of Syria "chemical attack" by chemical agent professionals. Russia vetoed US proposal for an investigation by "agents of the US choosing" - meaning likely the cia or the ISIS mercenaries hired by the cia or the actors hired to play rescue workers.

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Good God Almighty. The US vetoing an independent investigation speaks VOLUMES about our...I am at a loss or words. No, don't investigate, it will mess up our propaganda efforts on the ill-informed millions in the US and we don't listen to informed, anyway. Good on Russia for its veto. Our government is completely out of control. I live near McDill Air Force base and kinda look at that as being at "ground zero". Our international behavior is nothing less than pure evil.

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Tucker Carlson went on an anti-war rant.

Good rant as far as it goes, but Carlson completely ignored the most dangerous elements of the Syrian situation. Both Iran and Russia are in Syria in force now. The first one, Iran, promises us yet another endless conventional war. The second one, Russia, says they will retaliate even to the threat of missile attack by taking out American positions. Yes, really. This means super-power war.
This means a possible escalation to nuclear war and the end of civilization. Carlson correctly identifies the futility and stupidity of defending ISIS-like rebels, and the completely bogus case for war, but he is ignoring the crisis brewing against Russia, even worse than the Cuban Missile Crisis, which at least was not an active war situation with the actual Russian Army already fighting, not to mention we then had a president who was not an L'Enfant terrible, advised by liar and warhawks like John Bolton.

What is wrong with all these commentators? The so-called Left is obsessed with Mueller and so-called collusion, which forces Trump to be anti-Russian just to prove he isn't their puppet, which means pro-war in this case. The Right-leaning politicians are, as usual, all ginned up for war.

What the Hell is wrong with these people? Do they not realize they are flirting with the end of civilization?? They can't possibly not know. We know and we are not connected to the kinds of Intelligence options they have. WTF is going on?

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'WTF is going on?'

The left leaning politicians are just as ginned up for war as the right, from what I've seen. They have their marching orders and those orders aren't coming from the 'silent masses'. If Obama was in office right now, we'd be seeing the same thing. Same play, different players. Blaming the right, left, Trump, Obama, GWB etc. is mindless futility. It's distraction for the masses.

Money is speaking, and money is giving the orders. Money and greed controls the world. And those who possess it are pulling the strings. And they've gotten really good at it. They no longer care what the silent masses think, if any of the masses are capable of thinking independently from what the media spews anymore.

That's what's going on.

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This just in from SyriaGirl HERE

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Former UK ambassador to Syria: Chemical Weapons attack was staged...No one actually died. Click here

Also found this Youtube video. School of Terror. Click here

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...And Assad issues a 6-minute interview denial of using chemical weapons here:

He makes a lot more sense than anything I've seen from the American or U.K. press or Administrations.

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Not money, or even Money-Money, but MONEY on a scale we cannot even imagine.

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