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How Marianne Williamson Won Thursday's Debate (Sunday Homily)

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Readings for the 13th Sunday in Ordinary Time: I KGS 19: 16 B, 19-21; PS 16: 1, 2, 5, 7-11; GAL 5: 1, 13-18; I SM 3:9; JN 6: 68C; LK9: 51-62

So, we all watched Thursday's debate in which Marianne Williamson finally participated and showed the country who she is. And she was magnificent. She demonstrated what her spiritual guidebook, A Course in Miracles calls a refusal to be insane. She embodied that still small voice of conscience the voice for God that today's liturgy of the word distinguishes from the world's madness.

To begin with consider the madness we witnessed Thursday night. It was a perfect reflection of our insane country, of our insane world, of our insane electoral system. There they were: ten of our presumably best and brightest aspiring to occupy what we're told is the most powerful office in the world. They shouted, talked over their opponents, self-promoted, bragged, and put their opponents down. They offered complicated "plans" that no one (including themselves) seemed to understand. They ignored the rules of the game, recited canned talking points, and generally made fools of themselves and of viewers vainly seeking sincerity, genuine leadership and real answers. Except for that brief exchange about busing between Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, it was mostly embarrassing.

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And then there were the so-called moderators who allowed the circus to spin so completely out of control. They issued stern warnings about time limits, frequently set them strictly at "thirty seconds," but then proceeded to allow speakers to go on for three minutes or more. The celebrity hosts were completely arbitrary in addressing their questions unevenly. They repeatedly questioned some of the candidates and ignored others.

Meanwhile, there was Marianne Williamson off in the corner almost completely out of sight and generally ignored by the hosts. When they finally deigned to notice her polite attempts to contribute, no one seemed to know what to do with her comments. There was never any follow-up or request for clarification. Instead, what she said seemed completely drowned out by the evening's "excitement," noise, general chaos, and imperative to change topics. It was as if she were speaking a foreign language. I mean, how do you respond to that "still small voice of conscience" that says:

  • Immigration problems should be understood in historical context; their roots are found in U.S. policy in Central America especially during the 1980s. Such comment invites further discussion. None took place.
  • Removing children from their parents' arms is kidnapping; putting preschoolers in concentration camps is child abuse. Such crimes should be treated accordingly. What retribution did Marianne have in mind? The question went unasked.
  • Health care "solutions" should address environmental questions about chemicals in our foods, water, and air that make Americans sick. The response: "My next question is for
    Vice-President Biden . . ."
  • Government programs should be expressions of love, not fear.

As expected, the pundits who afterwards declared "winners" and "losers," generally put Marianne in the latter category. Their criteria for that judgment were just what you'd expect: Who was louder? Who was more aggressive, more interruptive? Who spoke for more minutes? Who more effectively transgressed the debate "rules" and thereby showed leadership and dominance?

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None of this could be further from the spiritual principles Marianne Williamson has espoused for the last 40 years. That spirituality, like Elijah's, Elisha's, Paul's, and Jesus' in today's liturgical readings holds that the problems that plague our world have simple answers that have nothing to do with bombast, filibusters, or spectacle. However, the world rejects out of hand the solutions of that still-small-voice of conscience as unrealistic and "out there" in the realm of the irrelevant and impractical. Such blind dismissal is what Paul in today's reading calls "flesh;" it's what Jesus elsewhere rejects as "worldly."

So, in an effort to put Thursday's debate in perspective, let me begin by describing where Marianne is coming from; then I'll get to the relevant readings.

A Course in Miracles

For more than forty years, the foundation of Marianne Williamson's life and teachings has been A Course in Miracles (ACIM). It's a three-volume work (a text, 365 daily exercises, and a manual for teachers) that was allegedly (and reluctantly) channeled by Helen Schucman, a Columbia University psychologist and atheist in the three or four years leading up to 1975, the year of the trilogy's publication. It has since sold millions of copies. Williamson has described ACIM as "basic Christian mysticism."

The book's a tough read certainly not for everyone, though Williamson insists that something like its daily spiritual discipline (a key term for her) is necessary for living a fully human life bent on serving God rather than self. Its guiding prayer is "Where would you have me go? What would you have me do? What would you have me say, and to whom?"

Even tougher than the cryptic text itself is putting into practice the spiritual exercises in Volume II whose entire point is "a complete reversal of thought." According to ACIM's constant reminders, we are all prisoners in a cell like Plato's Cave, where everything the world tells us is exactly the opposite of God's truth.

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To counter such deception, A Course in Miracles has the rare disciple(possessing the discipline to persevere) systematically deconstruct her world. It begins by identifying normal objects like a lamp or desk and helping the student realize that what s/he takes for granted is entirely questionable. Or as Lesson One puts it: "Nothing I see in this room [on this street, from this window, in this place] means anything." The point is to liberate the ACIM practitioner from all preconceptions and from the illusory dreams the world foists upon us from birth. Those illusions, dreams and nightmares are guided by fear, which, the course teaches, is the opposite of love. In fact, ACIM teaches that fear and love are the only two energetic forces in the entire universe. "Miracles" for A Course in Miracles are changes in perception a paradigm shift from fear to love. For Marianne, Donald Trump's worldview is based primarily on fear; her's is based on love (which means action based on the recognition of creation's unity).

According to Williamson's guide, time, space, and separation of humans into separate entities are all entirely illusory. Such distinctions are dreams that cause all the world's nightmares, including all the topics addressed in Thursday's debate. For instance:

  • The illusion of time has us all living in past and future while ignoring the present the only moment that actually exists, has ever existed, or where true happiness can be found. This means, for example, that inspirational figures like Jesus are literally alive NOW just as they were (according to time's illusion) 2000 years ago. His Holy Spirit is a present reality.
  • The dream of space has us taking too seriously human-made distinctions like borders between countries. Yes, they are useful for organizing commerce and travel. But the world as God created it belongs to everyone. It's a complete aberration and childish to close off borders as inviolable and to proudly proclaim that "From now on, it's only going to be America first, America first!"
  • Similarly, the dream of separation between humans has us convinced that "we" are here in North America, while refugees are down there at our southern border. According to ACIM however, "There is really only one of us here." This means that I am female, male, white, black, brown, straight, gay, trans, old and young. And so are you. Others are not simply our sisters and brothers; they are us! What we do to them, we do to ourselves.

With such clarifications in mind, the solution to the world's problems are readily available and far easier to understand than complicated health care systems or carbon trading. The solutions are forgiveness and atonement. But for ACIM, forgiveness does not mean overlooking another's sins and generously choosing not to punish them. It means first of all realizing that sin itself is an illusion. It is an archery term for a human mistake for missing the mark something every one of us does.

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After the debate, Marianne's name was the most searched on the internet -- more than any other debater.

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More to say, but for now I'll just add this: Perception may not be everything, but it seems mighty close to it, imo.

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I agree, Dan. Perceptions change though; paradigms shift. What seems a loss can become a huge gain. Change in perception from fear and the world's wisdom to love and the wisdom of our True Self is what Marianne's spirituality, campaign and understanding of "miracles" are based upon. (BTW I hope you received my response to your recent communication.)

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I was going to write more here, but I just posted this, from MW herself click here

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Thanks for sharing this, Dan. I hadn't seen it. It's quite informative and revealing in a very good way.

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Berkeley and other polls included Williamson and not Gabbard. One should ask: WHY? What is it about Gabbard that the establishment fears? Marianne is not my cup of tea. Sorry Mike. She's not for Medicare for All for starts. That's a big NIX for my support. Like a number of celebrity du jour I don't disagree with everything she states. (I don't know if she is anything more than a curiosity regarding the last debate, but I'm reminded of John Adams warning about "democracy" and it's propensity to embrace the cult of personality.) Tulsi was not polled for an explicit reason; to undermine her campaign. This has been pervasive. I think the idea is to destroy Tulsi as a viable candidate because her "poll numbers" are so low (because the greater certainty that elected she could actually implement a peace-based foreign polity). It's like how we measure unemployment (we stop counting the unemployed).

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I understand your position on Marianne, Art. I'm less familiar with Tulsi, perhaps for the reasons you express here. One thing is certain, the MSM does not want fundamental change despite the precipice the establishment types are rushing us towards. Those conservative pundits were well-represented by last Thursday's moderators who pretend to be progressives. They're nothing of a kind.

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She was the most searched candidate after the second "debate," according to a source I forget but that seemed reliable. Also, I encourage you to read my above comment and check her out in her own words.

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Yes, I read that too, that both Tulsi and Marianne were the most searched during their respective debates...


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She sounds like a self-help guru. I like Deepak Chopra but would not vote for him. His work is better served outside the political realm.

To be clear the problems we suffer are systemic. They go back as far as the shift from hunter-gatherer (not without its own issues) to agriculture patriarchy. A president will not change that. But we can rein in military aggression.

At this moment I think Tulsi Gabbard is positioned to do that.

Marianne may think she's not running against anyone, but that's not true, and disingenuous. She's included in polls Gabbard is not. Marianne poses no threat to the status quo, any more than Oprah does.

Furthermore being one of Oprah's many psychic healers (re Dr. Phil) doesn't impress.

Sorry.

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I tend to agree with you, though I'm a Bernie supporter. A Sanders/Gabbard ticket would be great, and she'd get more experience to be viable in 2024.


The nail in the coffin for me was finding out Marianne is an anti-vaxxer - or at least thinks that is an okay position. Also being endorsed by Kim Kardashian and Oprah - not to mention what's her name with Goop - is not my cuppa tea for sure.

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I support Tulsi Gabbard for POTUS. However, and I'm not a political calculus sort of person, I think a good outcome could be a Sanders/Gabbard ticket.

What people seem to miss about Tulsi is that she has strong support amongst the libertarians and conservatives (I'm not talking about the neocons). Rather Reason and Antiwar (blog) on the libertarian side and American Conservative on the conservative side. Plus she has all the progressive creds of Sanders.

If you want to beat Trump this is the ticket to do it. If Gabbard were to go head to head with either Trump or Pence I see a clear debate win for her. She's NO HRC.

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She was also the only one to have mentioned cutting the Pentagon budget in half as a fund for less destructive projects.

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Such an important point. And so sensible.

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I could be mistaken, as I only read reviews. I did not torture myself with watching the 2 night circus.

But, I think Tulsi mentioned putting the military budget to better use than killing, as well.

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Yes, she did.

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Marianne seems like a nice person, but she does what democrats always do: ride the high horse and act like only they appreciate love... which of course implies that the hate she mentions must therefore come from everyone else. This is not difficult to intuit. And Dems wonder why so many in rural america and among the working class despise liberals and consider them condescending elitists. The self-congratulatory vibes liberls exude could turn off anyone with a sense of decency. My advice to WIllianmson: stop moralizing and focus on exactly how you intend to end empire. If you succeed in that regard, the lovey-dovey stuff will follow.

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For Marianne, the opposite of love is not hate; it's fear. And love is not "lovey-dovey;" it's the practical realization of the unity of all humans and of all creation. That's precisely what needs to be emphasized (not soft-pedaled) in a context where separation, individuality, competition and national exceptionalism constitute the order of the day. On this understanding, Donald Trump, for instance is not hateful; he is a terribly frightened little man. And he's spread that fear (as has the culture at large) to most Americans in this "home of the brave."

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Obviously, Mike, I was being sarcastic with lovey dovey...unless you believe that I too, like the deplorables, don't know the difference.

Regardless, you missed my point that whether fear or hate or whatever, alienating those who voted for Trump - many because they genuinely believed he would not carry on regime change - by acting as if you own the moral high ground is the epitome of self-righteousness over a selfless strategy of unification for a higher good.Typical democratic party behavior.

I notice you wrote you that you are not that familiar with Gabbard. I suggest you begin familiarizing yourself to see how it should be done if there is any hope for change. Remember if you can't draw in voters who voted for Trump in 2016, you have zeero chance of winning in 2020.

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John, I apologize for missing your irony. And, of course, you're right; self-righteousness is self-defeating. I'll study up on Gabbard. And increasingly, I'm fearing a 2nd Trump term. His base seems immoveable.

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No need to apologize. We're on the same page in wanting to end endless wars. I just believe that to do so, you must win the white house and to do that you need to unite ALL those disenfranchised or disaffected with both of the main parties. I've followed Williamson for years. She's a terrific person but completely unsuited to the task I just mentioned. I believe Gabbard is not only the only one who can do that, but perhaps the only one so far in our lifetime that has presented that opportunity. Only an administration that can unite sufficient numbers of former dems and republicns can end empire.

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Succinctly and elegantly said, amico. Encore.

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Hi, Mike. Thanks for your brilliant spirituality as usual. But it seems that the candidate who came out on top, Kamala, is M's polar opposite. M contributed her beautiful insights in practically whispers, reinforcing her diminutive size. In other words, tv doesn't bring out her greatness and that goes so far in political campaigns. It's time for women clearly but like Hillary they'll have to at least start out with more testosterone.M can begin by heading the dept of peace, for which she'd be perfect, assisted by DK. Thanks again!

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I agree, Marta. I think she was too polite and understated. That hid to a great degree the power that you and I are aware of. Did you look at the link Dan Geery shared above? It shows Marianne at her best. Would that the debate format allowed for such questions. It's quite disarming and powerful in its own way.

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Mike,


She was like a petite angel, so pretty, so unpolitical! Will check out Dan's link!

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Great interview! A bit idealistic but she's be lightyears better than Trump. Vote for Williams/Sanders for president!

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Great ticket.

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I find it really offensive that so many are casting Sanders in second place. ESPECIALLY to someone as inexperienced and clueless about politics as Marianne. Sanders started all the stuff that everyone else is now giving lip service to.


I will NOT vote for anyone who is not on board with the GND, M4A, and the other progressive ideals. Also, Marianne is full of woo, and not on board, evidently, with science and reason.


Since I'm an atheist, I guess all that spiritual stuff is just ... icky for me. Humanism preaches the brotherhood of all without dragging any gods into it. I sent a few bucks to Marianne so she could get a hearing. I didn't like what I heard.

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Dear Phat: Sanders is my hero as well. Marianne supported him in 2016. I completely understand your antipathy to religion. However, it's been my conviction that surrendering that very powerful field to the right is a huge mistake -- especially since faith and spirituality can be more authentically interpreted (i.e. in ways true to history, language, sociology) as motivating its (critical) adherents to revolutionary praxis. Liberation theology proved that in the 1980s and beyond in Latin America. Also, in my experience of listening to her weekly for the last three years and more, Marianne is absolutely on board with science and reason though also recognizing their limitations. They do not represent ultimate truth (and never have), but point us in that direction.

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As I've noted, Marianne is not for M4A.

As far as the GND, Gabbard, I think has wisely stayed way from the Dem package which looks more and more like capitalism lite. She's even stayed away from falling for the "are you a capitalist or socialist?" trick. She knows these are rabbit holes meant to entrap.

Gabbard has been clearly supportive of all the programs Bernie has presented, while much more vocal on the issue of war and peace. Sanders is starting to come around. I'm willing to concede that a Sanders/Gabbard ticket would be a good outcome, even though I prefer Gabbard. Together they bring a clarity of domestic/foreign policy that is complementary, and essential.

I strongly think that GND/markets will not work as the Dems put it forth. We need a regenerative culture that moves way from capitalism and engages all of us in the remaking of our life on planet Earth.

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Trump's win was mystifying to me, but I have gotten some understanding lately as I have been reading about the fact vs emotion models, and that Trump "won" because he appealed to emotions...base emotions, to be sure, but what I read (I don't remember where) made a good point about Republicans playing on people's emotions, where Dems tend to focus on facts. And while facts may be true, and emotions may be base, what we see is that the Republicans are doing a lot of winning by playing on peoples' emotions...typically fear.

Now, what if Dems were to appeal to people's emotions, but not to base emotions...but loftier emotions? Well, I bet they'd be doing more winning. And this is exactly what Marianne is proposing.

In the past there have been lots of instances of good candidates running, where it was said that "it would take a miracle" for them to win, and most of those candidates didn't win. But I bet none of them had studied for 40 years how to make miracles happen, LOL. Marianne has.

And if there was a time for a miracle, this is it.

I agree that Marianne would be a great president. She has run for office, and for many years she also headed up a quasi-political group that was pushing for a Dept of Peace. Granted, there may be some political areas that she doesn't have experience in, but Trump has much less political experience than she does, and he got elected!

Marianne would be brilliant at choosing the right people to fill cabinet positions and other jobs to create a smoothly running machine, of that I am convinced.

I think her relatively short and quiet participation in the debate may have been beneficial, clearly she offered just enough for people to want to find out more, as evidenced by being the candidate most googled that evening. Some of those people looking for info are probably already reading her books.

People who think Marianne and others are "kooky" or "fluff" because they are applying spiritual principals to politics may not be fully understanding that if we are to survive, politics as we know it needs a complete overhaul, and that's exactly what she's proposing. And unlike the other candidates, who are only focused on facts, she has the support and power of deeper Truth behind her, which people recognize, whether consciously or unconsciously. Cervantes famously said, "Facts are the enemy of Truth."

I think she's gonna have a meteoric rise.

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So well put, Meryl Ann. As I mentioned to Phat Khat (above), Progressives have lost tremendous political power by abandoning the field of meaning and spirituality to the fundamentalist right, when in reality these spiritual traditions possess tremendously liberating political power.

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