And you know what? He finally outdid himself, because in the end, the system got him. He got too big for his britches and I don't mean just with Paula Broadwell okay, I mean with President Obama and, guess what, the Head of NSA, General Hayden, the Head of the FBI, Robert Muller, were told to dig out anything they can on Petraeus, get rid of him. And Petraeus not being very good at email, security-- had all the kind of damaging stuffs. So it was very easy right after the election they co-operate and then they say "you are out of here. Now if you want to say you are going on to some other job fine, but you are out of here because we know what you have been doing."
So what's this mean this means even the best of them even the saints can fall prey to this incredibly intrusive email, telephone surveillance and I wish I could feel more sorry for Petraeus but he got his in my view he got his just desserts.
Rob: Alright Ray, I want to connect get this in to the hopper here so anything else?
Ray: Well Rob I've got one other thing I want to go back, because it is extremely relevant to what's happening today. As you know, the torture report indicating all the things the CIA and others did on the torture front has been bottled up and looks like they will wait till the end of the elections and see what happens in the senate.
Petraeus had an incredible role in torture. Now let me explain. Go back to April of 2004 the Abu Ghraib's photographs the scandal. May 2004, one and only one honest investigation by General Taguba finds out that the press was as guilty as the apples at the bottom of the barrel, so to speak and in June General Petraeus goes out with hand written instructions from a fellow named Donald Rumsfeld it is called Frago 242, Frago for fragmentary order, and it has to do with torture and we know about it because of Wikileaks and Bradley Manning.
So what did it say? It said, well you know it's getting a little embarrassed so make sure that US forces they don't torture anymore, but its as far as the Iraqis" if you see the Iraqi's one another you know...you might want to report that but you don't have to and just make sure nobody is seen from our side from the American side torturing people.
Now why is that important? That's important because that is what Bradley Manning saw when he was posted there. He was one of the soldiers that was tasked to go in to Baghdad and round up young people his age-- he was 22, okay, and he did so. People who wrote a term paper that was creditful of the Iraqi Prime Minister. Okay and what did he do? Well he complained-- he said, "We know what's going on in those jails" and they said "forget about it, Go home and complete your tour and don't say anything."
That's a large, in measure, what motivated Bradley Manning to that the kinds of things he did. But more important, in respect to Petraeus, those were the rules okay, those were the rules from June 2004 until November 2005. What happened then, US Journalists learned what was going on in Iraqi prisons particularly the ones in Baghdad and they were astonished and finally the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs you remember the Nimrod straight Peter Pace they got up there with Rumsfeld, they had a press conference and one of the journalists said "General Pace we hear about this terrible torture going on in Iraq, especially in Iraq prisons, we are wondering, what are your instructions sir when US soldiers see torture going on?" Without batting an eyelash, he says "my instructions are they must stop that on the spot-- do everything in their power to stop the torture on the spot."
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