Has there ever been a successful democracy in any part of the world, at any time? What would you define as a successful democracy?
Given that people talk about western democracy and especially democratic freedom as being government by the people for the people, why do you think that some people of ‘influence’ are ‘up in arms’ about the socialist revolution gaining support in Venezuela and other countries in South America?
Could it be that the famous ‘they hate us for our freedoms’ is not true?
Surely Ahmadinejad is a tyrant and so is the ruling elites in Saudi Arabia, North Korea, everywhere you look, there is a pretence of democracy or an out and out tyranny of ‘the people’.
Democracy is a fraud and it is never been seen so obviously as in present day America. People on the Internet openly talk about ‘the lesser of two evils’ vote, ‘the one party’ politics of America, corporate power over the media to ‘advance their agenda’ for the bottom line. Some are even of the opinion that the ‘agenda’ to destroy American democracy is well under way, turning America into a fascist regime, governed by dictatorial powers stealthily passed into law, so that whoever gains the reins of power can continue the race to the bottom, of serfdom and robber barons.
Democracy, when you analyse what it means is at best a fragile thing. Chavez’s referendum on changing things for the betterment of the common people of Venezuela ran into a road block of vested capitalist interests, frightened of losing their comfortable lifestyles, and he lost by a mere 1.5 percent, and 40 percent of eligible voters did not vote. So what does this say about democracy, even though Chavez was generous in defeat, since the vested interests owns all the media outlets and ran a campaign of lies and distortions – so what’s new in that? And what about the responsibility of those who did not go to the poles? What part of ‘democracy’ did they not get? I believe in Australia the law states that you have to vote or be fined. Does that mean democracy is flourishing in Australia or do power elites still control the message and hence the outcome of elections?
The problem with democracy is that it is open to abuse, by socialists or capitalists. There is no democracy free from corruption of one sort or another in the world.
In my navy days there was a saying, ‘I would rather work for a Bas***d, because at least you know where you stand. With a flip flopper, you can wake up one day to a big shock’. Which brings me to the quote above from P.D.Ouspensky who was student of G.I.Gurdjieff.
Since, according to Gurdjieff, people are asleep, what ‘democracy’ can a sleeping people have? Writers on the blogs often complain that there are very few of them who ‘know what’s going on’ and consistently fail to ‘wake up’ the people of America, hoping that some threshold of Bush’s crimes will tip the balance and people will rise up to overthrow the government and install a new democracy.
Would the ‘Shock Doctrine’ of Chicago, take advantage of this chaos on a national scale to implement even more draconian measures a la Stalin, of which New Orleans was only a precursor? When whole populations, as Gurdjieff claims, are asleep, believing everything that they are told to believe, a little chaos, would usher in everything the bloggers are hoping for but should be afraid of.
On the news (EuroNews) currently there is a strike in Italy of truckers (lorry drivers) and there is no petrol to be found in the gas stations, and the supermarket shelves are almost devoid of produce. The veil of civilization is indeed very thin and fragile. How many packets of spaghetti will I buy to ‘stock up’ with since the manufacturers are complaining of an 8 percent rise in the cost of the wheat? Are the shortages of wheat and subsequent price rises due to the fuel for transport being ‘grown’ now instead of being dug up? A small, local example of chaos in the supply chains of food and other commodities - will you fight your neighbour for water or petrol when it gets scarce? One of the reasons not explained in the Main Stream Media is that America is pre-emptively fighting a war for resources in the Middle East, ahead of others who know about Peak Oil coming down the line. You can almost forget about Global Warming as the collapse of petroleum civilization goes into meltdown and the resulting chaos kills millions. Burning fossil fuels to produce electricity will also be curtailed with the loss of cheap transportation fuels. If a few truckers can bring Northern Italy to its knees in a few days, what chance is there for ‘civilization’ to continue as it is, with no means of getting food to the shops? The cities will become wastelands just as you see in the movies after nuclear war, or other catastrophic scenarios.
Question: Why has ‘democracy’ failed in America so spectacularly? Is it that for years the Military/Industrial complex has ruled America, that Eisenhower warned about? Is it the modern day colonialism of the ruling elites, seeking resources and power anywhere they can find it? Just like other colonial powers in recent history? What about Napoleon or Alexander the great? Do you think they did not have advisors and political agendas?
Once you open your eyes, a euphemism for ‘waking up,’ man sees reality as it is.
“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.” Winston Churchill.
What opinions and information have you been stuffed with? Are you the product of the consumerism age or do you have real independent thoughts? Do you read approvingly articles that tend to agree with your opinion and get outraged at statements and articles that you don’t agree with and even fight on comments blogs with right wing/left wing* bigots? *Choose one. Are you sure that you can see past the outrageous lies and spin to the real motives of the power elites – in every country? If you have strong opinions about Bush and the Neocons outrageous agenda, are you able to convince your friends and families about what you see? Are you prepared for the chaos of the ‘Shock Doctrine’ of Chicago? How will this chaos impact trade worldwide? Will it affect other countries’ ‘democracy’ so that they will collapse as well? What about Russia and China, will their economies collapse or only stagger from the world wide meltdown starting with the banks and financial institutions that we see beginning already? Would the best thing to do, be to get out of the city and go and live in the woods, away from ‘civilization’ growing your own food, a la the 60’s hippies? Who knows?
The bottom line is that democracy is a fraud as practiced, because it is so easy to manipulate a ‘sleeping’ people by people with an agenda, who are also, nevertheless, asleep.
Given that people talk about western democracy and especially democratic freedom as being government by the people for the people, why do you think that some people of ‘influence’ are ‘up in arms’ about the socialist revolution gaining support in Venezuela and other countries in South America?
Could it be that the famous ‘they hate us for our freedoms’ is not true?
Surely Ahmadinejad is a tyrant and so is the ruling elites in Saudi Arabia, North Korea, everywhere you look, there is a pretence of democracy or an out and out tyranny of ‘the people’.
Democracy, when you analyse what it means is at best a fragile thing. Chavez’s referendum on changing things for the betterment of the common people of Venezuela ran into a road block of vested capitalist interests, frightened of losing their comfortable lifestyles, and he lost by a mere 1.5 percent, and 40 percent of eligible voters did not vote. So what does this say about democracy, even though Chavez was generous in defeat, since the vested interests owns all the media outlets and ran a campaign of lies and distortions – so what’s new in that? And what about the responsibility of those who did not go to the poles? What part of ‘democracy’ did they not get? I believe in Australia the law states that you have to vote or be fined. Does that mean democracy is flourishing in Australia or do power elites still control the message and hence the outcome of elections?
The problem with democracy is that it is open to abuse, by socialists or capitalists. There is no democracy free from corruption of one sort or another in the world.
In my navy days there was a saying, ‘I would rather work for a Bas***d, because at least you know where you stand. With a flip flopper, you can wake up one day to a big shock’. Which brings me to the quote above from P.D.Ouspensky who was student of G.I.Gurdjieff.
Since, according to Gurdjieff, people are asleep, what ‘democracy’ can a sleeping people have? Writers on the blogs often complain that there are very few of them who ‘know what’s going on’ and consistently fail to ‘wake up’ the people of America, hoping that some threshold of Bush’s crimes will tip the balance and people will rise up to overthrow the government and install a new democracy.
Would the ‘Shock Doctrine’ of Chicago, take advantage of this chaos on a national scale to implement even more draconian measures a la Stalin, of which New Orleans was only a precursor? When whole populations, as Gurdjieff claims, are asleep, believing everything that they are told to believe, a little chaos, would usher in everything the bloggers are hoping for but should be afraid of.
On the news (EuroNews) currently there is a strike in Italy of truckers (lorry drivers) and there is no petrol to be found in the gas stations, and the supermarket shelves are almost devoid of produce. The veil of civilization is indeed very thin and fragile. How many packets of spaghetti will I buy to ‘stock up’ with since the manufacturers are complaining of an 8 percent rise in the cost of the wheat? Are the shortages of wheat and subsequent price rises due to the fuel for transport being ‘grown’ now instead of being dug up? A small, local example of chaos in the supply chains of food and other commodities - will you fight your neighbour for water or petrol when it gets scarce? One of the reasons not explained in the Main Stream Media is that America is pre-emptively fighting a war for resources in the Middle East, ahead of others who know about Peak Oil coming down the line. You can almost forget about Global Warming as the collapse of petroleum civilization goes into meltdown and the resulting chaos kills millions. Burning fossil fuels to produce electricity will also be curtailed with the loss of cheap transportation fuels. If a few truckers can bring Northern Italy to its knees in a few days, what chance is there for ‘civilization’ to continue as it is, with no means of getting food to the shops? The cities will become wastelands just as you see in the movies after nuclear war, or other catastrophic scenarios.
Question: Why has ‘democracy’ failed in America so spectacularly? Is it that for years the Military/Industrial complex has ruled America, that Eisenhower warned about? Is it the modern day colonialism of the ruling elites, seeking resources and power anywhere they can find it? Just like other colonial powers in recent history? What about Napoleon or Alexander the great? Do you think they did not have advisors and political agendas?
Once you open your eyes, a euphemism for ‘waking up,’ man sees reality as it is.
“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.” Winston Churchill.
What opinions and information have you been stuffed with? Are you the product of the consumerism age or do you have real independent thoughts? Do you read approvingly articles that tend to agree with your opinion and get outraged at statements and articles that you don’t agree with and even fight on comments blogs with right wing/left wing* bigots? *Choose one. Are you sure that you can see past the outrageous lies and spin to the real motives of the power elites – in every country? If you have strong opinions about Bush and the Neocons outrageous agenda, are you able to convince your friends and families about what you see? Are you prepared for the chaos of the ‘Shock Doctrine’ of Chicago? How will this chaos impact trade worldwide? Will it affect other countries’ ‘democracy’ so that they will collapse as well? What about Russia and China, will their economies collapse or only stagger from the world wide meltdown starting with the banks and financial institutions that we see beginning already? Would the best thing to do, be to get out of the city and go and live in the woods, away from ‘civilization’ growing your own food, a la the 60’s hippies? Who knows?
The bottom line is that democracy is a fraud as practiced, because it is so easy to manipulate a ‘sleeping’ people by people with an agenda, who are also, nevertheless, asleep.
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