RK - So this is Oscar Arias himself saying that?
WW - Yes.
RK - Awesome. Yes. Yes, you should be proud of that. So what's the elevator description of what you do?
WW - I'm the premiere source of pragmatic arguments against nuclear weapons in the world. Basically there are a lot of people that think that nuclear weapons are immoral and wrong and they're right. But there aren't very many people that argue publicly that they're clumsy, stupid, not very effective weapons. And so that's one of the reasons why the work I do has drawn some attention because when you marry those two approaches together - when you say nuclear weapons are not only immoral but their also clumsy, stupid, not very effective weapons then you've really got a very strong argument. So that's been having some impact.
RK - Toward who?
WW - Well I went and spoke at the Pentagon, for instance, and they listened very closely. It was quite a cordial conversation because I didn't say they were immoral I just said I want my country to be defended and safe but I want effective weapons to do it. I've been lobbying in Parliaments in the UK - in the United Kingdom at the House of Commons. A couple of years ago I spoke before the so-called Top Level Group, which is a group of retired people in the United Kingdom including two former Foreign Ministers, two Admirals, two Generals, a cluster of Lords from the House of Lords and a Barrenness. So that was - and you know in different places around the world. I'm going to be lobbying in Parliaments in Norway, Netherlands, Germany, UK, and Canada over the next year and I hope to go to Iran. I've been talking to some of President Rouhani's foreign policy people to see if I can stamp out the last bits of support for a nuclear weapons program in Iran.
RK - What do you tell them?
WW - What? What do I tell parliamentarians and others?
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