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February 2, 2008 at 05:48:43

Abraham Lincoln-Ron Paul... is there a connection?

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Lincoln had to deal with a real crisis… not a stage-managed “war on terra.”  And-- he was the actual person who had to deal with it… not a sock-puppet “political candidate” Hollywood-gossip tool.  Those were simpler times… but we can learn from the way great minds dealt with great problems beyond their grasp.  We have far greater knowledge, but far less wisdom today.  It’s the same puzzle about the relationship between the “individual” and the “collective.”  We have learned little.  More is the pity. 

 The connection between Lincoln and the “invisible hand” is interesting.  As all the myth and folklore implies, Lincoln really was a “self made” individual… and believed that the “social contract” (Locke) implied by the Declaration and Constitution for the US was to provide all with the means and opportunity to better themselves.  My own opinion of Lincoln is that he was also one of the greatest American intellectuals… a really smart guy… self-taught, voracious reader with an extremely keen ability to analyze, synthesize and “read between the lines.” 

In Lincoln’s time, the “Industrial Revolution” was coming to fruition in the US.  1860 (or thereabouts) was the last time that US agricultural exports were greater than industrial.  “Economic liberalism” with its roots in the Enlightenment (which Jefferson actually understood), basically let “the market” do its thing.  “Self-government,” which Lincoln believed was the “last, best hope” was still a new idea.  To understand Lincoln, I believe, one has to understand Hermeneutics because Lincoln was a master at it.  It’s usually a century or more before the ideas of great thinkers (like Lincoln) are somewhat grasped by “the public at large,” and then usually in some “kartoon” form.

So we move from monarchy to “self government,” which the aristocracy resisted (for obvious reasons) to “socialism,” which the rich are resisting (for obvious reasons).  One of the great intellectuals of Lincoln’s day was Karl Marx, and very few people today grasp the concept of “Marxism,” especially in the US.  A quote attributed to Lincoln, “I am for the greatest good to the greatest number…(and against the system which monopolizes the free and fertile territory of our country for a few slaveholders, to the exclusion of thousands upon thousands of the sinewy sons of toil)  expresses an idea that was surely embraced by Lincoln.  He believed very much in a “classless society” or meritocracy.  Am I saying Lincoln was a “socialist?”  No.  That would be committing the error of “presentism,” which any good historian today takes pains to avoid. 

Sidebar: anyone who says the collapse of the Soviet Union “proves” that "communism doesn’t work” has no idea what they’re talking about… on multiple levels. 

 The “Adam Smith” idea of “capitalism” that was beginning to mature in Lincoln’s day seems now a case of arrested development.  Anyone who says that “Christianity” and “socialism” are in conflict doesn’t know much about either one.  Individual/ Collective: I believe Lincoln’s religious “skepticism” came more from his hermeneutic ability than any Enlightenment influence… but the two are closely related.  There was a lot of “kartoon” religion in Lincoln’s day… which has evolved into Disney World religion today. 

Kartoon ethics and "politics" are why economic systems and social systems cannot live in two separate worlds anymore (if they ever did): culture evolves in much the same way that organisms do… and simplistic clinging to dogma can arrest selection pressure for a time… even become part of it… but the choice is between adaptation and extinction.  Lincoln was trying to manage the evolution of a Nation from an agrarian culture to an industrial culture.  Slavery was simply a fatal allele. 


The economic system in the US today that masquerades as “economic liberalism” or “free markets” is little more than looting.  You can’t have a real meritocracy when circumstance is so rigged in favor of the few at the expense of the many.  Unfortunately, it seems that over 100 years of anti-kommunist propaganda and hysteria have made a less-catastrophic transition to meritocracy highly unlikely.  

It also appears that kartoon “religion,” like slavery, is a fatal allele.  In the Reagan era, many of us bought in to the “free market” idea before we realized it was just a euphemism for looting.  The code-words of the Enlightenment were used to mask a darker agenda, and that agenda was to remove any regulation, for good or ill, that interfered with “maximizing profit.”  We bought a fancy box without examining its content. 

Lincoln… like Jefferson or Franklin… (and perhaps Ron Paul) was interested in understanding the Truth first instead of twisting it to his own advantage.  Not that these guys weren’t ambitious… they were… but they understood they had to ask the right questions before swallowing the sweetest pre-packaged answer.  Ask… seek… knock…  Such mental candy is why so many self-styled “christians” worship the messenger but ignore the message.  

Maybe the newly-awakened "Paulitos" can embrace an idea beyond "social Darwinism" or a celebrity-cult.   

We shall see.  

 

waldopaper is an insignificant teacher, informed reader and professional writer... living in dominionist crackerland... with two women, one young man, three cats and two dogs... alarmed at a failing state controlled by corporate psychopaths armed with nuclear weapons. There's a light on. Somebody's home.

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It is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.
Jeanette DoneyIt is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.

rEVOLutionary not "Paulista"

Please YouTube 14th Amendment and watch a documentary that explains how the 14th Amendment is unconstitutional (and why freed to starve slaves were never paid reperations).  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4xV4MTnCdc

Ron Paul is short for Ron Paul rEVOLution.  This is a virtual rEVOLution born on Google and YouTube with Aaron Russo (RIP), Alex Jones, Naomi Wolf, who I would consider the "celebrity", that innitially spread the seed of what has become a rEVOLution.  Ron Paul had been named by each of them in films so he not only knew the information, but his congressional record for TEN years reflected it, and any question..for example, when he tabled Kucinich impeachment for Cheney, he pointed out the neocons supporting it and said, "Don't you wonder when Bush's closest friends are supporting the impeachment?"  Good point, they are supporting it to kill it because as Ron Paul pointed out, THEY KNOW it's Bush and Cheney, so if you're going to impeach, impeach them both and do it for justice.  I agree.  I want to see Bush and Cheney impeached and imprisoned, and to do that, it has to be done in the name of justice, not game playing.

My whole political outlook changed the more I educated myself on the YouTube links to more YouTubes.  It's a rEVOLution to me because i progressed from progressive to rEVOLutionary, and I'm way not alone.  Like everyone...we are grateful to Dr. Paul for having the guts...and the coolness, he's cool about this and you have to be cool about this because many many Americans have been assassinated..and I think the liberals who do not check this out, do want to check it out in FEAR, they are comfortable the ways things are...they can bash bush and eat good with no guilt (but Obomba is going to change that)   They remind me of that cruel experiment where they take a frog and put it in a pan of water and heat it slowly and the frog sits there until it's dead (and they want all the frogs in their pan)

Yesterday Homeland Security announced Americans now need papers at the border. 

by Jeanette Doney (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 304 comments) on Saturday, February 2, 2008 at 7:40:31 AM
 


It is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.
Jeanette DoneyIt is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.

One would think

But then when one understands the 14th amendment made the USA a corporation, than maybe one can understand how deep these lies go.  Please Google or better You Tube 14th Amendment and learn something, like how an amendment enslaved All people and set corporations free.

 

by Jeanette Doney (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 304 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 10:13:12 AM
 


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Lara MartinAn student.

Real Education !!, thnks

I shall spread the good news, "Abraham Lincoln-Ron Paul" to our State Senator ! 

 I hear a continuing phrase "Spread the Good Word" and so I shall.

 

Real Education, thnks Professor Waldopaper  :)

 

Lara 

 

 

 

 

by Lara Martin (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Saturday, February 2, 2008 at 10:44:54 AM
 


"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord
Ingrid"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord

kartoons and fatal alleles

Gee, it's a shame you were just talking to yourself in that article, speaking your own, arcane language. Alluded to so much, clarified nothing.

by Ingrid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 118 comments) on Saturday, February 2, 2008 at 8:52:48 PM
 


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Lincoln-Paul

Thank you for making this connection. I think I get what you mean. As I read more about the historical Washington and Lincoln, I understand why our two most famous national monuments are the Washington Monument and the Lincoln Memorial.

Also, I want to say, not to apologize really, but to clarify two things concerning a recent post of yours on Ron Paul, that I asked the editors to remove.

1) Yes, I was offended, and yes I know you weren't writing directly to me, but more importantly, I felt it was counter-productive, not because it was counterproductive to Paul's candidacy, but because there is great potential in the movement that chose him to represent them. I think his supporters chose him to represent their views far more than he crafted a focus-group based message to appeal to a wide audience. He is what he is, and college students and ordinary people chose him.  I don't believe that 50% of 18-24 year olds are mostly libertarian.  Sure, some difficult to abide people chose him too.

2) Although I took the unusual position of asking the editors to remove your article, my anger at your post did not last. I was satisfied with my own decision to express my opinion about the article, about the editor's call to let it stand, and it was my opinion of the article alone, not my opinion of you personally.

As I scanned the 100+ comments in response to Rob Kall's Green Dragon article, I could not help but feel a great sadness about the anger, frustration, and bewilderment of apparently having another false choice of "the lesser of two evils" thrust upon not just progressives, but the whole country. It sounded like so many people just wanted to crawl away and hide under a rock for four years.

Then, you posted this. What a lift I got from it. I'm going to vote for Ron Paul if he ends up with his name on the ballot. If he doesn't and someone else ends up on the ballot somehow, like Kucinich or Gravel I'll vote for them. If none of them do, then I'm not going to vote at all. I won't do the write-in thing because I don't think that will even get reported. That's just me. If the only cereal on the shelf is Count Chocula and Trix, then forget it. I want shredded wheat or something healthy, or I'm not buying.

If Ron Paul doesn't make it on the ballot, I suggest that progressives and members of the rEVOLution should dust off their history books, take a long hard look at the real Lincoln, particularly his attitude toward Government control of money, his use of Greenbacks to finance the Civil War, and his amazing political and economic achievements during the most costly war in U.S. history.

Then, spend the next four years getting to know each other and choosing a new candidate together who would represent the best interests of both progressives and the rELOVution.

The central issue to my mind, is getting private control of the money supply and fractional reserve banking out and getting Government controlled debt-free money in, something like Lincoln's Greenbacks.

That is how to break the elites strangle-hold on the country.

by Paul Rye (7 articles, 2 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 336 comments) on Sunday, February 3, 2008 at 2:15:11 AM
 

 

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