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December 20, 2007 at 09:30:54

Headlined on 12/20/07:
Kosovo Could Spark a US-Russian Military Confrontation

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There are so many things to write about, so many things that the mainstream media refuses to cover, that I find myself wondering daily about what to write about. Something that I read from an e-mail I received from Stratfor has me wondering why I haven’t seen anything about the situation in Kosovo. The situation in Kosovo, where there is a clamoring for independence, coming mostly from the ethnic Albanians living there and Albania itself could be a flashpoint for a crisis between NATO and Russia.

The country of Serbia dies not want to see Kosovo gain its independence. This situation in the Balkans was the flashpoints for World War I. Serbia and Russia have long-standing ties to one another that have been there for the entire period of the twentieth century. When the Clinton administration decided to intervene in Kosovo in 1999, this was orchestrated by the Supreme NATO Commander Wesley Clark. He went behind Clinton’s back at the time and committed U.S. Troops to an intervention in Kosovo and a bombing campaign against Yugoslavia without President Clinton’s knowledge or authorization. I know that because I heard General Clark say it himself in person in Florida.

Once we had agreed to support a NATO campaign, we were locked into a conflict. The “spin” at the time was that the Serbians in Kosovo were committing “ethnic cleansing”, the REAL truth was that all sides were committing atrocities against each other. Russia objected to a NATO led force to deal in the situation in Kosovo and we agreed to let the Russians be a part of a NATO peacekeeping force. The Russians, in a weakened state and under the leadership of Boris Yeltsin, agreed. It was politically expedient for Yeltsen to agree on a joint NATO/Russian peacekeeping force to appease the majority of Russian citizens that supported Serbia, as they have done for over a century.

The sore point between NATO and Russia came after the 60 day bombing of Belgrade and other points in the former state of Yugoslavia. When the Russians landed two battalions of soldiers into the airport to engage in the peace-keeping agreement, the NATO forces, knowing that Russia was economically and militarily weak at the time, surrounded the airport and put the Russians under a type of siege. The Russian forces had no choice but to load back up and head back to Russia.

The situation in Russia is now far different. Under Putin and with the help of the Russians expansive natural gas reserves that they have been exporting to Western Europe, particularly Germany, they have staged an economic and military comeback. No longer is Russia economically and militarily weak, far from it, Russia has been flexing its military muscle of late. They have dispatched an Aircraft Carrier with its supporting fleet to the Mediterranean and have cautioned NATO not to give Kosovo independence.

According to Stratfor, the Russian Federation is trying to put pressure on the Balkan States as well as the Eastern European nations to distance themselves from NATO. They are in negotiations with Belarus who seem eager to come back into the Russian sphere. They are particularly putting pressure on Poland and the Czech Republic not to allow US Missile bases is these countries. The Soviets see the situation in Kosovo as a way to show the world that they are again a force to be reckoned with in the world. Stratfor predicts that Russia could launch a light military operation to keep Kosovo from gaining independence.

Putin, who rose to power partly because of the disillusionment due to the 1999 embarrassment of having to pull out of the NATO peacekeeping force (KFOR), staked his reputation on the premise that it would never happen again. Now, with The Russian Federation much stronger than it was in 1999, and the U.S. in a weakened position with the onus of fighting a war in Iraq and another in Afghanistan, is in no way able to put up deterrence to Russian military moves. The situation in Kosovo is certainly more egregious because of Putins’s stance that the Russian Federation would never suffer the embarrassment that it had in 1999.

In my opinion, Bush and Cheney do not have their eye on the ball in Kosovo. Bush, on a trip earlier this year was greeted as a hero in Albania that is pushing for an independent Kosovo which they call Kosova. So far the Bush Administration seems to be only concerned with the Middle East and Afghanistan. The Russians seemingly welcome a military confrontation in the Balkans to prove to the Russian people and those nations in the Balkans and in Eastern Europe that Russia is once again a world power and that they are closer to Russia than to the NATO Forces that may or may not come to their aid in the event of future hostilities. This would also ingratiate Putin in the eyes of his citizens where many yearn for a Russian return to a central place on the world stage. Not only would it be in Putin’s interest to spark a confrontation with the West, due to a weak U.S and Germany afraid to engage due to the possible cut-off of natural gas from Russia, if he didn’t oppose independence, he would be seen by many Russians as one who has backed off on an earlier stance that helped his rise to power.

The situation in Kosovo has been referred to the United Nations Security Council, where Russia holds veto power. If the U.S. doesn’t abide by the wishes of the UN, we could see a military confrontation in the Balkans with Russia. Hopefully the Security Council will put off independence for Kosovo, and the United States which only has a passing interest in the region, will stay out of the situation. It is not in the security interests of the US to intervene in an area that does not cause any damage to our national interests.

That’s the way I see it.

 

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Former Chairman of the Liberal Party of America, Tim is a retired Army Sergeant. He currently lives in South Carolina. A regular contributor to OpEdNews, he is the author of Kimchee Kronicles and is currently at work on a new novel.

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Dr. Michael Salla is an internationally recognized scholar in international politics, conflict resolution, US foreign policy and the new field of 'exopolitics'. He is author/editor of five books; and held academic appointments in the School of International Service& the Center for Global Peace, American University, Washington DC (1996-2004); the Department of Political Science, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia (1994-96); and the Elliott School of International Affairs, George...

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Michael SallaDr. Michael Salla is an internationally recognized scholar in international politics, conflict resolution, US foreign policy and the new field of 'exopolitics'. He is author/editor of five books; and held academic appointments in the School of International Service& the Center for Global Peace, American University, Washington DC (1996-2004); the Department of Political Science, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia (1994-96); and the Elliott School of International Affairs, George...

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Russia More Concerned about creating a UN precedent

I find some points in your analysis way off. The idea that a Supreme Commander of NATO could pull off a major military intervention behind the back of key national leaders is a joke. You probably misunderstood what Wesley Clark said, or he overstated the case. You really need to study up more on the history of Kosovo to understand what drove NATO intervention.

As for Russia's opposition to granting Kosovo independence, Russia is concerned about creating an international precedent for recognizing the succession of autonomous territories. Russia is a federation of 21 Republics with significant problems in Chechnya, Tatarstan and other Muslim dominated areas who have little loyalty to Russian ethnic dominance. If the UN created the precedent for a formally autonomous territory of the Yugoslav federation to be granted sovereignty due to a majority vote of the territory's citizens, then that would create a precedent for other autonomous territories.

Russia's main strategic interest lies in making Kosovo's independence process as messy and difficult as possible so as to not create an international precedent. That's why it's playing hardball on Kosovo in the UN. There will be no confrontation between NATO/Europe and Russia/Serbia since the latter understand that Kosovo is lost to Serbia, and Serbia's future lies in joining the EU despite noices from its disgruntled nationalists.

by Michael Salla (14 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 24 comments) on Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 11:16:54 AM
 


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I Beg to Disagree

Immediatly after the military operations were over, Clark was relieved of command. During a political dinner party, Clark admitted that he had guaranteed US involvement BEFORE clearing it with the White House. Also the point was not Serbia, but the humiliation of Russia in 1999. In the other points that you mention, you could be quite right, although Putin is very interested in seeing things in Kosovo go HIS way, to preclude an embarrasment to the Russian position that would weaken him politically at home.

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 575 comments) on Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 11:25:21 AM
 


Dr. Michael Salla is an internationally recognized scholar in international politics, conflict resolution, US foreign policy and the new field of 'exopolitics'. He is author/editor of five books; and held academic appointments in the School of International Service& the Center for Global Peace, American University, Washington DC (1996-2004); the Department of Political Science, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia (1994-96); and the Elliott School of International Affairs, George...

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Dinner Party Comments

You say: "During a political dinner party, Clark admitted that he had guaranteed US involvement BEFORE clearing it with the White House." Do you realize how weak an argument this is? Many things can be said at a dinner party where high powered egos compete with each other, or try to impress others. And of course, we have no written transcripts other than one person's recollection. As Supreme NATO commander (SACEUR), Wesley Clark did not have the power to to "guarantee" anything other than making recommendations to the civilian leadership of NATO. Once NATO governments had agreed on policy, itself a very difficult political process, then it was Clark's responsibility to execute the policy as best he could using the available military resources.  

by Michael Salla (14 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 24 comments) on Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 12:23:49 PM
 


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From Jim Lehrer's News Show

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well, I... What was behind it is very simply conflicting interests and priorities in Washington. And I was doing my job as a regional commander in chief warning the Pentagon, but it wasn't a well-received warning. It was a warning, which was rejected, basically, and subsequently we went to war. I think the risk in situations like this is high. The earlier one can get involved decisively, the better. But when the decision is still ambiguous, your chances of a successful, low-cost preventive solution is much higher than waiting for it to become so clear-cut that you go to war.

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 575 comments) on Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 1:34:30 PM
 


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Tim

'The Soviets see the situation in Kosovo as a way to show the world that they are again a force to be reckoned with in the world.'

It has been already 16 years since Russia is not Soviet. Tim, and others, I advise all of you to leave Russia alone. You do not know anything about it and neither  you know much about Serbia.  This is not to insult, just to explain.  Serb  nation had been betrayed many times  and also raped by Clinton and others.  Russia is a natural ally of Serbia and if they  HELP Serbia  to retain its territorial integrity it would not be a ' ,message of force' but proper and right approach to help a friend.  And a veey wise move too.

 

by Mark Sashine (46 articles, 19 quicklinks, 234 diaries, 3348 comments) on Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 5:43:57 PM
 


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Check Out My Blog

I have written the same article there. Check out the Albanian and the Sebian View and tell me there is not a problem. Also I was quoting some things by Stratfor that predicts a Russian military innvolement. The "Soviet" slip was just that. In the rest of the article I referred to Russia or The Russian Federation.

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 575 comments) on Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 5:54:51 PM
 


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Ok, in the blog

there are no Soviets but there are  ' Serbians' which  is the same as GW's ' Grecians'. Those people are Serbs. Their country is called Serbia now and before it was called Yugoslavia. Their language is SerboChroatian and their Church is Greek( Serb) Orthodox.

Now, the best source of info on the topic is www.antiwar.com (series by Sasha Matuszak).  There he tells about  a shameful Paris treaty  which Serbia could  not acccept. The main reasons for aggression against Serbia were two: Catholic support of the radical Moslems as tools and irrational hate of the only country in the region which still had reasonable sociallism and could become an example for the new Balkans, not  the impoverished  ' underbelly of Europe'.

WWI did not catalyse in the Balkans; Serbia was used for the  provocation. But what is known   - that Serbia fought in WWI and WWII  against all odds and in WWII we all owe to Serbia our freedom because the diverted Hitler from attacking Russia a month earlier than he did.  Yugoslavia had the third amount of human casualties in the WWII after Soviet Union and Poland. Yes, that is why Russia  still honors Serbia  and that is why it was a disgrace to attack them. BTW in Kosovo  Serbs did not do ' atrocities'. Now Kosovo is a  ' nest' of radical moslem group with arms trade of anything.

The reid of the two Russian battalions in Kosovo under Gen. Ivashov was  perfectly legit, to secure  the Russian property. That idiot Clark wanted to attack them but the  English colonel in the field refused to  engage the Russians. 

Otherwise... I would say yes, we better keep out of that. 

by Mark Sashine (46 articles, 19 quicklinks, 234 diaries, 3348 comments) on Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 7:54:46 PM
 


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Thanks for the Info

I'm glad you realize that the "Jist" of the article is to stay out of the fray. What we did to Russia was irrehensible. I fault them not, nor did I mention that we should "engage" them in Kosovo. The point of the article was for "The Decider" not to push for independence for Kosovo like he did when he visited Albania. Friends?

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 575 comments) on Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 8:03:01 PM
 


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Tony Forestx

no war

I would dare say there will no conflict or war over Kosovo. Russia has the veto option at UN SC hearings but Kosovo can easily be taken off the hearings list once everyone agrees on a way forward. This may include EU membership for Serbia. It's a give and take scenario and the major players are more apt to compromise in one way or another rather than to resort to might. The EU has zero interest in any kind of military conflict and its members will be the ones leading the way and paying the price for a peaceful solution. War on your own turf sucks big time and a lot of people around Europe still remember the smell of gunpowder and the sight of blood running through the streets like rain. I'm pretty sure a conflict can be avoided. It's merely a matter of agreeing on the price and who's gonna flip the bill. Having said that, when was the last time war was waged on US turf and are there any americans around who still remember how much it sucks ? The answers are NO + Zilch. THAT is why the USA is keen to play the game in other peoples back yards ; the bullshit rocket systems + radar stations. This shit has got to stop and the USA needs to sweep the streets back home for a change !

by Tony Forest (4 articles, 12 quicklinks, 127 diaries, 1154 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 3:37:34 AM
 


Nobody special.
WatchingNobody special.

It is all irrelevant anyway

Whether Kosovo is let go or not, once Serbia and Kosovo join the EU, they will both lose their national sovereignty. The same applies to any group in Europe wishing to break away from the country they are currently located in. Breaking away from an existing country in Europe at this time is futile because the EU will absorb them all eventually so any independence they gain now will be short lived.

by Watching (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 314 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 6:01:56 AM
 


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Tony Forestx

true

but the move to joiing the EU is an improvement over the current sate for many. EU membership isn't as stiff as some think it is. On paper, it should be but in reality, rules and regs are bent over backards to accomidate "newbies".

Besides, the door is always open. Come in and suffer or leave again and suffer even more. Many would prefer to come in and suffer (less than is currently the case) as opposed to not giving it (EU membership) a try in the 1st place.

But what the hell do I know ? Nada.  

""It is all irrelevant anyway""

True. Sad but true. In the longer run, it sure is. 

by Tony Forest (4 articles, 12 quicklinks, 127 diaries, 1154 comments) on Friday, December 21, 2007 at 3:16:28 PM
 

 

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