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November 26, 2007 at 04:43:40

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Beyond Treason; The Call for A Congression Investigation

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I couldn’t sleep last night. Its 4:49AM and I have a headache and a knot in my stomach. I just watched a movie called Beyond Treason. It’s about how the U.S. Military has used it’s soldiers as guinea pigs in many outrageous experiments, the last being one that is continuing, the exposure to ionized radiation by using depleted uranium in munitions. Many people out there know me by my writing, but what people don’t really know about me is that I have been exposed to ionizing radiation and I know what it can do to a person. I have had cancer, I have peripheral neuropathy, constant pain and I take over 13 medications for the side effects.

The point is that this government, from George Bush Sr. to Clinton and now to Bush Jr. has known about the effects of depleted uranium and the ionizing radiation that comes from it. Soldiers from the First Gulf War have had over 200,000 cases of VA certified disability from their service. That is a 60,000% increase over previous wars. In the first Gulf War we used over 340 tons of depleted uranium. In Afghanistan, over 1,000 tons to date, in the Second Iraq War we have used 2,400 tons of the stuff.

Uranium gives off Alpha, Beta and Gamma rays. The Uranium that is dispersed after vaporizing on the target can be as small as .1 micron. That means that ionized uranium is in the air, the soil and the water, and it has a half-life of 4.5 Billion years! This means that the two countries that we invaded will forever be contaminated, and the contamination will never pass. Not only is the land contaminated, but our soldiers who enlisted to help fight this “Global War on Terrorism” will pass this on to their families by their semen. They will infect their wives and any future children. Many Veterans have had children that were born healthy but fail to thrive. In some cases the hearts of their children burst at 4 or 5 months old. This is fighting a war on terrorism? It sounds to me like since we didn’t find weapons of mass destruction, we brought our own.

That’s exactly what the World Court ruled. It is against the U.N. Charter to use weapons of mass destruction and that’s exactly what we are doing. Not only on the so-called “enemy”, but on our own troops that feel the effects of “Fallout”. Yes, you read me right, fallout. This is exactly the same result of a “Dirty Bomb” that the U.S. Government keeps threatening the people of this nation might happen if a “terrorist” explodes radioactive material with a bomb.

Why haven’t you heard this on the “Mainstream Media”? The reason you haven’t is because the MSM is controlled by the same people that make their money in the Defense Industry. GE and Westinghouse own many outlets; ABC, Sci-Fi Channel, History Channel, MSNBC, CBS and a host of others. The rest are owned by supporters of this corrupt and treasonous administration that thinks nothing of killing off their soldiers for profit and gain. Your sons and daughters will eventually have to deal with this problem we have created.

I am calling for a Congressional Investigation into the scope and breadth of the problem of Depleted Uranium used by our Armed Forces in direct violation of the UN Charter. I am calling on The Veterans Administration to come clean about ionized radiation, a problem they have known about since 1950. No more diagnosis of “PTSD” in soldiers who are sick. These soldiers aren’t stressed out, they are sick! Don’t fool yourself for a minute, the President knows about this. This could possibly be the reason that 120 Veterans are taking their lives each week according to a report by CBS that got past the censors’.

This President and the two preceding President’s should be charged with treason. They should be charged, tried and imprisoned for the rest of their natural lives. They have not only ruined the future of the men and women that have served them, but they have also contaminated Kosovo, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Iraq forever. There is no “clean-up” operation that can be done. They are guilty of genocide, no different than Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin. Through their own arrogance and extraordinary powers that we give the Executive Branch, they have used this nation as a killing machine. We kill not just the enemy, but our allies and our own soldiers.

We have been ruled by criminals since Ronald Reagan left office. I have something on him too that I’ll write about in another article. The problem of killing our own soldiers and whole nations aren’t the only crime they have committed. They have also stolen this nation’s wealth and put it into their own pocket, but that’s another article.

Please help me to get Congress to launch a full-scale investigation into the use of depleted uranium. I will write to my Congressional leaders and I pray that you will write too. I don’t care if you are a Conservative Republican or a Liberal/Progressive Democrat or hate them all. This is a matter of utmost urgency to stop the indiscriminate loss of life in these countries and to get the Veterans that served us the care they deserve. As an American you can do nothing less, and if you can’t do this, we WILL have nothing left.

That’s the way I see it.

 

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Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."
John Sanchez Jr.Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."

I shall comply.

I'll have my letters out shortly to Dick Durbin, Barack Obama and Jerry Weller (R-IL11). I don't expect much help from Weller, but the senators should exhibit at least passing interest. I guess I'll copy Murtha and the proper committee chairs in the House, as well.

by John Sanchez Jr. (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 1049 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 8:25:05 AM
 


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Links to DU toxicology research

The Uranium Medical Research Center is an excellent resource on Uranium Basics, Depleted Uranium, Radiation and the Human Body.

They do an excellent job debunking the fictions propagated by those who would have us trust the military industrial death peddlers.  Sure there is no conclusive "proof" that can definitively prove causation for the myriad of cancers, birth defects, and other ills attributable to radiation poisoning, but the US government (CDC) and the corporate shills strongly opposed linking cigarette smoking to cancer when the many adverse health effects of tobacco were first being exposed.   

Yes DU is an alpha-particle emitter, which is radiation that may be absorbed by a paper thin sheet, but that paper thin sheet may be lung tissue when particles are first inhaled in a dust storm, and since micron-sized particles will pass through the blood tissue membranes they will bio accumulate and pulse ionizing alpha particles.  It is true that the DU is slowly excreted by the body, but it takes a diabolical path accumulating in the kidneys and semen of esposed males.  According to the UMRC a single inhaled dust particle no bigger than 2.5 microns in size will expose a person who inhaled it to 1000 times the annual safety limit established the Code of Federal Regulations for people outside the nuclear industry.

The International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons has an excellent one page Uraniumn Weapons summary with very excellent references.

Very limited testing has been performed on the effects of weaponized and inhaled DU dust particles.  As you can imagine, there has not been a rush to fund expensive research from a government and industry that is profiting by the suppression of this information.

We should not have to prove the deadliness of this toxin.  Those who profit on the sale of repurposed nuclear waste: GE, other energy industry profiteers, and weapons manufacturers should have to fund studies through an impartial agency to study the effects of inhaled uranium. 

by Tim Riley (7 articles, 4 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 126 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 4:34:05 PM
 


57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Andris57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Good Comment

Good counter sources. Very informative good work

I'm not sure that Tim's approach of Congressional chat fest   that will inevitibly finish up like the mating of elephants....lots of grunting and screaming but nothing happens for at least two years. I think this legal resolution is bogus. The vets need on going help see my comment "Tim you missed the point" I out line a plan that would sidestep lawyers (who are like dog droppings on the pavement) to be avoided at all costs. and offer an alternative. I would welcome comments

by Andris (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 532 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 9:40:49 PM
 


Politically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will clobber whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather than...

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steve scheetzPolitically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will clobber whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather than...

to see more of bio, click on member name

we have done this before, but here we go again...

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp150.pdf  Since Uranium is found in nature, basically all over the United States, we have plenty of examples of its effects...  Here is the Toxicological report of the element....

 Now, someone asked me what kind of evidence I was looking for...  Very simply I am curious as to why it is that the DU in Iraq is causing so many health problems, if the DU used in the Balkans http://www.nato.int/docu/speech/2001/s010124a.htm

The RAND corporation did an extensive study gathering data from other studies and comparing said data to their results...  They found no health problems from people who actually MINED Uranium, actually caused by inhaling the Uranium itself..  Rather they had problems with RADON Gas..  you can read that study here  http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/library/randrep/du/mr1018.7.chap2.html

The IAEA States:  "Based on credible scientific evidence, there is no proven link between DU exposure and increases in human cancers or other significant health or environmental impacts." http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Features/DU/faq_depleted_uranium.shtml#q2

 Now, if someone wants to call MY POST SCRIPTED, and tells me to do some research, Let me suggest that I HAVE... 

Maybe I did not look at the photos of the birth defects and say "WOW, Those birth defects are DEFINITELY caused by DU, and DU should be banned..."

Rather, I asked myself...  Why are there no such birth defects in Bosnia?  Could it be that maybe they were not hit with the level of chemical weapons the likes which killed hundreds of THOUSANDS of Kurds?  I guess nobody who is blaming the DU for all of these problems ever bothered to look to some other cause, did they?

ore proof for my point, I have two links.  One is by the state department regarding the weapons tests Saddam perfromed on his own people...  http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm 

 Now I get it...  you don't necessarily buy what the state department is selling given that its interests SHOULD be to defend the US's positions...

So, Take a look at THIS  https://secure.wsws.org/articles/1999/jun1999/thai-j25.shtml 

 Results of US chemical weapons testing...  Pretty amazing....

Mr. Gatto, I am sorry for your condition, but I am not going to believe that DU is responsible for Gulf War Syndrome when there is no Kosovo War Syndrome out or any of the other places war syndrome..  We did not just start using DU in Iraq..  We used it all over the place, and there only seems to be problems in Iraq...  Bear in mind that I am NOT suggesting that DU is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I am just suggesting that maybe there is something else a bit more sinister at work here...

 

 Ciao, CZ

by steve scheetz (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 507 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 9:53:09 AM
 


Tim was banned from the site for posting private email from the publisher to him on his blog, and then attacking the publisher and the site in emails and articles. OEN has no responsibility to publish articles from people who attack the site.

Tim's accusations that he was banned for his political positions are untrue. Check his articles. He repetitively wrote about and had published exactly the things he claimed he was banned for doing.

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Timothy V. GattoTim was banned from the site for posting private email from the publisher to him on his blog, and then attacking the publisher and the site in emails and articles. OEN has no responsibility to publish articles from people who attack the site.

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Your Logic is Flawed

In Kosovo we used guided missiles that were made with DU. We didn't put 2,400 tons of the stuff into it in vaporized form after it disintergrates on target. The State Department is flat out lying and your evidence is weak compared to what the evidence is against DU by the Armed Services own experts. You sir, don't understand the situation. Mining uranium and using weaponized DU are two completly different things. You do no service to our Veterans with your "empirical" tainted evidence. BTW, I recieved ionized radiation from Air Defense Radar Clystron Tubes that were unprotected. You can argue that I imagined that too.

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 575 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 11:18:56 AM
 


57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Andris57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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So is yours

Tim,

Ole son fair's fair you climb into Steve Scheetz over his 'evidence' but you neither offer a convincing rebuttle other than 'I said' or  independent alternative scientifically credible evidence.

Keep in mind to be credible  the results need to be  measurable, predictable,(objective), repeatable and idealy peer reviewed in a prestege journal.

I object to U on principal, just because it comes from the ground doesn't make it good.

I agree with steve that to scientifically say that DU is the problem you need to isolate it as the causal factor.

To this stage neither side has offered blindingly convincing evidence either way. It is true that more research is needed I doubt that a emotionally driven talk fest would conclude anything it needs lab testing. But then according to you who do you trust?  Private enterprise? Government? who?

by Andris (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 532 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 2:34:02 PM
 


Tim was banned from the site for posting private email from the publisher to him on his blog, and then attacking the publisher and the site in emails and articles. OEN has no responsibility to publish articles from people who attack the site.

Tim's accusations that he was banned for his political positions are untrue. Check his articles. He repetitively wrote about and had published exactly the things he claimed he was banned for doing.

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Tim's accusations that he was banned for his political positions are untrue. Check his articles. He repetitively wrote about and had published exactly the things he claimed he was banned for doing.

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Lab Tests Are Being Offered to Vets

A Vet can get a lab test from The University of New Mexico for $200.00. It used to be that only a German lab could do this for $1,000.00. Many vets are being tested and are coming up positive for ionized radiation poisoning. I have yet to get more information but there is a verifilable test out there.

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 575 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 3:59:04 PM
 


57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Andris57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Tim You missed my point

Where is your proof? You stuck it to Steve because you said his evidence was suspect maybe that’s so but what is the basis of your saying that it's nonsense? If you teardown an argument you need to offer alternative evidence or proof of the validity of your stand.

I repeat until it's independently scientifically assessed as the causal factor the question remains, are sick vets even with cellular damage proof that DU is the sole causal factor? Sure it’s evidence but not all evidence is proof.

Even Epidemiological studies are often so qualified as to rendering them as a matter of opinion/interpretation. The CDC will tell you it is often impossible to pin down a single cause particularly when there is a probable cocktail of causes. 

Just for devil advocates sake there might be a genetic predisposition involved, the cause may be a combination of factors. Do we know all the factors involved in battlefield toxicity. Breathing gasses from cordite etc can't be healthy given the inhalation of cigarette gases kill and many of the chemicals concerned are similar in war only more concentrated who knows what gasses are released when building burn down in Baghdad. Asbestos, solvents toxic paints who knows  …. Modern War is toxic.

I would add here If war any war is the answer then it must have been an imbecilic question.

I believe a Congressional committee investigating DU will be a pointless talk fest because the question is beyond the competence of politicians. Therefore issue should not be “if DU is a contributive factor (scientific legal issue)”. But as you said in a different context the question is a moral one pertaining to the public/government being prepared to look after:

·          The returned (o/s) vet’s health period! After all they're paid  peanuts and in this commercial world the forces need to compete with the Blackwaters of the world. One might add that if a vet joins a mercinary force they forfeit their benefits. The onus should be on the govt to prove the illness is not related to the individuals service.

·          Look after widow’s children of vets killed in the line of his/her service.

·          Or partners (gay defacto or otherwise. Tests apply) and children who can prove that their current problems are directly from the war service. It is clear that the reason vet affairs are handled in the current way is to avoid wind fall law suits and corporate interests.I believe that law suits of this type should be eliminated unless criminal negligence or incompetence can be shown. And they can sue for services and support services only which could be handled by a bipartisan tribunal. I do not suggest that this is the ultimate but a place to start .

Okay now your turn

 

by Andris (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 532 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 9:21:01 PM
 


Currently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee.
Mr MCurrently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee.

Tim ...

 

This same troll was on the Plame post today saying that there was no crime committed against Valarie Plame. I think he's a profession flame-thrower. (no pun intended)

Check his posts and he's always full of half-truths and dis-information. Anything this troll posts should not be taken seriously.  He just pops up to inflame the situation.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1254 comments) on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 12:55:28 AM
 


Currently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee.
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I'm referring to ...

Ciao CZ

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1254 comments) on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 12:58:44 AM
 


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Tim Riley* * * * *

Tim Riley is a father, husband, technical writer, and internet news hound avidly interested in progressive politics, environmentalism, social justice, and playing with his two children.

It's not just a Crime against Humanity

It's not just a crime against humanity, but also a crime against all carbon based life on this planet.   The micron sized depleted uranium oxides that are created by munitions explosion and spontaneous combustion on impact will emit ionizing (read: cancer causing and molecule breaking) radiation for millions of years. The dust will be easily carried by dust storms and it will not remain localized within the countries originally contaminated.  How far did the contamination from Chernobyl get detected? Iceland and beyond. That was a different type of disaster, but the point is that the effects of this criminal contamination will not stop at arbitrary geo-political boundaries.

Both humans and any creature that breathes can internalize these particles into lung tissue and get DNA breakages, mutations, and other molecular breakdowns that will lead to cancer and other illnesses.  Even plants and trees have pores in their leaves that may have the difficulty in removing the uranium oxide before it causes molecular damage.  Depleted uranium is nuclear waste of the worst kind- it is uncontained, widely distributed in fine particles over populated areas.

WAR CRIMES have been committed to gain a temporal military advantage over our adversaries.  It is criminal because the effects will kill, maim, and cripple unintended targets for millions of years into the future.  If winning at all costs, means killing innocent people many centuries from now, maiming children with horrifying birth defects, and damaging fauna of all types for millennia, then to Hell with winning at all costs and to Hell with the dark-hearted, haters of humanity who would unleash these WMD on their own troops.

by Tim Riley (7 articles, 4 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 126 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 10:29:36 AM
 


Politically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will clobber whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather than...

to see more of bio, click on member name

steve scheetzPolitically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will clobber whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather than...

to see more of bio, click on member name

So NATO and the IAEA know nothing..


Their studies are meaningless, and your story is DEFINITELY accurate..  I am supposed to take it on faith that you know what you are talking about and you know more than the people who tested........  Oh why am I bothering?

 

You have to be the foremost authority on DU, since you know more than the UN...  Please, Sir, send me a link to your doctoral thesis on the subject.

Ciao, CZ 

by steve scheetz (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 507 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 11:54:15 AM
 


Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."
John Sanchez Jr.Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Ahh, yes!

They didn't prove it, therefore it is safe. I see.

Perhaps you would be gracious enough to instruct us as to their testing procedures and protocols so we may make an informed decision on their results.

Perhaps I was misinformed about the ingestion of ionizing radiation being a health hazard. I've only seen the reference 50 or 60 times.

by John Sanchez Jr. (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 1049 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 12:14:57 PM
 


Tim was banned from the site for posting private email from the publisher to him on his blog, and then attacking the publisher and the site in emails and articles. OEN has no responsibility to publish articles from people who attack the site.

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How Can You Read That Report and Take Them Seriously?

They constantly point out that more needs to be known. That uranium oxide can be inhaled by soldiers. Will you go to iraq and whether a dust storm so we can check you for rads? Will you willingly go to where we have dumped 2.400 tons of the stuff? Were not talking a wee bit here my friend, we are talking about people that breath billions of particles of it. The IAEA might declare Iraq and DU safe, but the experts that disagree think its a life and death situation. You trust your "political" sources. This isn't a political issue, it's a moral one. Are you in the uranium mining business?

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 575 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 12:05:37 PM
 


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Andris57Yo m I'm a "been there, done that! Bought the tee shirt,to hide the scars!" type of person Ive worked�many jobs from�a chicken slaughterer to managing a branch of a multinational and many jobs in between.Raised in colonial PNG Left School 16,Grad Hi school 22 Night School, University 36� BBus (majored in Psyche and Marketing), Dip Comp prog and project Mmnt.at 50 I've been in 48 different community org ,23 on board with 18 prez or deputy prez.First social campaign at 17 for the aborigine...

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Tim

There are chemical sniffers, And they would be a part of  balanced scientific testing.

The invocation of honouring our soldiers is a poor tactic there is no doubt of your sincerity  and that you have represented the emotional argument but what is needed is dispassionate scientific investigation to establish the proof either way.

by Andris (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 532 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 2:41:23 PM
 


Politically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will clobber whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather than...

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steve scheetzPolitically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will clobber whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather than...

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The "experts" who disagree

Can't explain why it is that soldiers with DU fragments STILL in their bodies have normal children, and have not developed cancer...  One would think that somewhere in the Balkan region there would be some sort of cancer outbreak, or some evidence that we used DU if in fact, there are these horrible health problems caused by the use of DU.

Reality is this. 

There have been chemical weapons used in Iraq.

These chemical weapons have been determined to cause birth defects AND cancer. 

We found this because we TESTED them on humans...  (one of the links I provided)

In the area where these chemicals were unleashed on humans, we were blowing things up, and disturbing the chemically polluted sands. 

Don't you even want to CONSIDER that the problems might be caused by something other than DU?

I NEVER said, in any post that DU is the greatest thing since sliced bread..  All I am actually saying is that the health problems in Iraq are most likely the result of the pollution caused by the chemical weapons Saddam was using decades ago that still infect the sands...

I say this because if we are not looking at the correct cause of the problem, we will NEVER come up with the correct CURE for the problem.

Ciao, CZ

by steve scheetz (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 507 comments) on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 3:29:23 PM