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July 6, 2007 at 21:46:43

Why We are Losing this War in Iraq

by Timothy V. Gatto     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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I think there is something thing that many people living in this country have a hard time understanding. I finally figured it out when I was talking to a friend that couldn’t understand why, with all of our weapons, and all of the firepower we can bring to bear against opponents, why we’re in Iraq for the last six years and getting our collective asses handed to us on a silver platter. I asked why was he asking me and he replied because I was in the military for 21 years, I should know something. I thought about it for a moment.

He was right. I do know something. I know exactly why we haven’t been able to secure Iraq and I know exactly why we never will. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or a PhD. When people think of war, some think of the few really big wars that the United States has won. The First World War, the Second, The Korean War (which ended in a draw) and the Civil War which I left for last because it holds the answer to Iraq. You might say “What would our own Civil War tell us about Iraq?” Please stay with me here.

Look at the two world wars and Korea. Then look at Vietnam and Iraq. There are two words that separate the one group of wars from the other. People in the Military and most historians will tell you what those two words are; Total War. This is the only time that having a military with massive firepower and air superiority matters. Limited wars can be fought very successfully with limited weaponry and manpower, with virtually no air power. Witness Vietnam and Iraq. We can stay in Iraq from now until forever, but unless the people want us there, we will never win this war.

That is of course, unless you want to wage total war.

This is why our own Civil War dragged on for four years. The South, with far less money and manpower, fought the North to a virtual standstill until Grant and Sherman used the doctrine of “Total War”.

What is total war?

Total war is when collateral damage is just the cost of doing business. Grant was afraid to let Sherman march to Atlanta because he couldn’t resupply him by rail or overland. Sherman told Grant that he would eat off the land and had his army just take what they needed from whomever they could get it from. If there was a town crawling with rebels, he would just take out the town, and then burn the town down so that it wouldn’t be able to contribute anything to the Southern War effort. When Sherman conquered and burned down the city of Charleston… that was Total War. When Sherman burned down Atlanta after he conquered…that too was Total War. If we were to burn down Fallujah or parts of Bagdad, that would also be total war and it is recognized as such. The military has a doctrine of total war it’s not a new concept.

Will we fight a total war in Iraq? Of course not. That was why we should never have gone into Iraq in the first place. If you are going to fight a limited war, you must have certain objectives, once those objectives are met, than you pull out. You can’t expect to pacify a nation or occupy a nation by fighting a limited war. Bush should have known that going into Iraq. His generals should have told him that, if they didn’t they were remiss. How Bush now expects to win a war with no clear objective to tell us whether we have met our goals or not is ridiculous. We can muddle through Iraqi streets and lose a GI here and a few more there, for decades and this situation still won’t change. This is the reason most of Bush’s good generals have retired. They are sick of fighting a limited war with no objectives.

If Bush thinks he is going to put a US Friendly government into Iraq, and have them model their “democracy” after ours, he’s kidding himself. The Iraqi people will put whatever government has the most power in office. (I should say that the strongest power will make themselves the government), and the United States won’t be able to do anything about it. That’s just the way it is. When Sherman marched to the sea and burnt down Charleston and Atlanta, the war horrified the South. The point here is that if Sherman hadn’t made that march to the sea, the war would have dragged on and on. The spirit of the South had to be broken. Some say it was wrong, some say it shortened the war, both sides are right. War in and of itself is a terrible thing. Total War is even more of a terrible thing. It is easy to start a war, but they don’t end when you want them too. They end when one side or the other is sick of fighting. Unless the population is behind the war, they won’t sacrifice anything to win, especially if nothing is at stake for them to lose. It’s as simple as that.

This war is a farce. I feel so bad for the families that lost loved ones for absolutely nothing. They might has well have died in a DWI. It’s a harsh thing to say, but it’s true. The longer Congress sits on their hands and does nothing, the more people will die. I guess the Democrats are so bereft of conscience that they will wait until the Republicans that started this war, lead us out of it. That is a sad commentary on this Congress. The American People should not be ashamed however, we did not ask for this war, and when the people saw that it was time to stop it, most of them realized it. We have known for a long time now that this war was wrong. Trying to persuade our so-called “leaders” however has been a different story. If we have learned one thing from this war, it is that we need to put our government back on track and make it responsible to the people.

We have a long way to go to put things right again. I only hope that Americans don’t lose the focus that many have now when this horrid war is finally over. The problems that we Americans face are more than just this war in Iraq and Bush and his cronies. This is about an entire government that is unresponsive to the people it represents. It seems as if people elected to national office are marching to the beat of their own drummer, instead of marching to the beat of the people.

 

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Todd Huffman is a pediatrician and writer living in Eugene, Oregon. He is a regular contributor to many newspapers and publications throughout the Pacific Northwest.
Todd Huffman, M.D.Todd Huffman is a pediatrician and writer living in Eugene, Oregon. He is a regular contributor to many newspapers and publications throughout the Pacific Northwest.

Powell Doctrine

Although he lost all respect earned and due to him from a distinguished career after prostituting himself at the bidding of his White House pimps at the UN in February 2003, Colin Powell long advocated and will long be remembered for exactly what you are saying, as you well know, in what has become known as the Powell Doctrine.

One of the great and tragic ironies of this misbegotten Mesopotamian misadventure is that within Bush's own cabinet sat the man who was famous for saying, basically, total war or no war at all, the same man who nonetheless sat passively sat by as Rummy and Cheney went to war on the cheap. More than four years on, 3600 American soldiers and three-quarters of a million Iraqi civilians have as a result paid the ultimate cost.

History will not treat Powell well. He will go down as one of the great cowards of all history, as well he should. Had he spoke up, even stepped down, when it became clear that it was not to be total war, but half-assed war, war on the cheap, we would now live in a far different world.

by Todd Huffman, M.D. (80 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 109 comments) on Friday, July 6, 2007 at 11:36:59 PM
 


I swallowed the red pill!
HanI swallowed the red pill!

You miss the point

The war on terror needs to drag on forever. If they'd wage total war they wouldn't be able to continue it forever. This way they can keep controling the oil and keep redirecting tax-payers money into the pockets of war-profiteers.

by Han (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 204 comments) on Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 5:55:56 AM
 


John Wayne Taylor lives in middle America and he eschews the reputation that middle America has gained as blinded, Bush-following lemmings.John asks, "Do we all think that Bush's polls could really be as low as they are without the help of middle Americans?"The answer, "No".John is also a musician. He's played horns in at least one of his brother's CDs entitled "Counter Clockwise".John is a progressive's progressive and a cynic's cynic.
JohnJohn Wayne Taylor lives in middle America and he eschews the reputation that middle America has gained as blinded, Bush-following lemmings.John asks, "Do we all think that Bush's polls could really be as low as they are without the help of middle Americans?"The answer, "No".John is also a musician. He's played horns in at least one of his brother's CDs entitled "Counter Clockwise".John is a progressive's progressive and a cynic's cynic.

Well put but not applicable, here.

Your piece is well reasoned, but regarding the invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, Han is correct.  Han takes the question to it's root, i.e, why is Bush & Co. waging limited war?   These invasions and occupations are about oil and about blessing the weapons industries.  Beyond that, everyone from Pepsi to Colgate is making their bundle.   Contractors for everything from Philipino toilet scrubbers at US bases, to those who stage car bombings in Baghdad are also making their bundles.  Nobody, to where the money is rolling...and this includes those who make their fortunes off of Afghani opium...wants these occupations to end any time soon.  Bush & Co., along with most DC Democrats and Republicans are on the side of those who are amassing wealth off of displacement, death and unimaginable sorrow.   It's dejanam all over again.

by John (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 29 comments) on Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 10:36:27 AM
 


Hi.  I'm 70 and tired of this crap!
joanakellyHi.  I'm 70 and tired of this crap!

I would like to point out that ...

this is not a "war" in the traditional sense of WWI, WWII, Korea, Civil, etc. This was a pre-emptive invasion based on lies with arrogance, malice and forethought by warmongers motivated by greed who need to be hung by their hands until they understand the meaning of torture.

Win - lose? The two words don't compute. EXCEPT that - humanity has lost.

by joanakelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 14 comments) on Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 11:24:21 AM
 


John Wayne Taylor lives in middle America and he eschews the reputation that middle America has gained as blinded, Bush-following lemmings.John asks, "Do we all think that Bush's polls could really be as low as they are without the help of middle Americans?"The answer, "No".John is also a musician. He's played horns in at least one of his brother's CDs entitled "Counter Clockwise".John is a progressive's progressive and a cynic's cynic.
JohnJohn Wayne Taylor lives in middle America and he eschews the reputation that middle America has gained as blinded, Bush-following lemmings.John asks, "Do we all think that Bush's polls could really be as low as they are without the help of middle Americans?"The answer, "No".John is also a musician. He's played horns in at least one of his brother's CDs entitled "Counter Clockwise".John is a progressive's progressive and a cynic's cynic.

These invasions and occupations are big winners.

If you were in the weapons business, or some other business that profited from war, then you were probably a big winner during the war against the people of Vietnam....another of the US's wars of aggression.   If, during those years, for example, you had a stake in Bell Helicopter then you won big time.    So too, big winners are resulting from the invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.  Halliburton is just one of many, many outfits which are making a bundle off of this immoral, illegal, purposely protracted, supposedly mismanaged, lie-based war.   Be assured, Rumsfeld gets an A+ from all such "winners".

Who are the losers?  The losers are the common people of Iraq, Afghanistan, and the USA....just to name a few.  Remembering that tons of depleted uranium are now airborn, waterborn, and earth-bound, and that every inhabitable corner of the earth will now be contaminated by this insideous weapon, even people who live in countries that did not become part of the coalition are now losers, as are generations yet to be born.

The "winning/losing" aspect of war is rudimentary .  Parents who are informed and who truly care about the future of their children rear their kids so that they would no more think to be a part of the military than they would to be a part of any other gang of organized criminals.

by John (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 29 comments) on Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 5:43:46 PM
 


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TomK  .

Why? Dogma trumps reality.

Iraq of course is not a war but a foreign invasion to overthrow a regime. The overthrow part was accomplished as planned, while installing a new government under the rules of democratic votes was also done reasonably OK. The mistake was to undersestimate the nature and ferocity of the insurgency, and allowing it to grow out of control. Rummy must take 90% responsibility for that. Of all people, Rummy should know the weak spots of the US military, yet proceeded to permit a situation to develop where the enemy will exploit precisely those weak spots. He conducted the strategy based on preconceived dogma, not smart brain. And the generals were to scare of him to force some sense. 

Unfortunately Colin Powell responsibility is twofold. First he permitted himself to face the world in the UN with those 'evidences', thus destroying his credibility as Sec of State. Second, he knows the correct strategy, saw Rummy, Cheney and the generals took a different and wrong strategy, but shut up. He thus destroyed his reputation as a top military general.  

The compariable event in history is not the Civil War, but the Revolutionary War. The British acted in precisely the way US now did in Iraq - underestimating the rebellion, did not send enough force, and conducted the wrong counter-insurgency strategy, that lead to failure. The British mess up finally permitted insurgent general Washington to team up with neighboring country France (sounds fimiliar?) to win the battle of independence.

What about Bush? Like King Edward he presided over the whole enterprise yet know too little to do any good. In Edward's time, that's understandable. In today's time Bush incompetence is truely historic.

by TomK (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 231 comments) on Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 11:03:52 PM
 


I am a resident of Detroit, MI.  I do not have a party affiliation; though 1) I have tended to vote Democrat for the most part; and 2) I am somewhat conservative and have been told I look like a Republican.  I appreciate what I've read by Fareed Zakaria on international matters.
SLJI am a resident of Detroit, MI.  I do not have a party affiliation; though 1) I have tended to vote Democrat for the most part; and 2) I am somewhat conservative and have been told I look like a Republican.  I appreciate what I've read by Fareed Zakaria on international matters.

Correction on Powell

To doctortodd and TomK,

I think you're right that Powell lost some credibility with the presentation at the U.N. However, I recall an editorial some time ago (US News & World Report, I think) that stated that he and a team tore apart the larger set of informaton given to him by the CIA and presented what was left (sifting out the truly questionable).  Unfortunatley, after the sifting, what was left was still erroneous.

But the point to this post is that Colin Powell actually did speak up prior to Iraq. See the link below to PBS's Frontline: The War Behind Closed Doors.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/view/

 

by SLJ (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Sunday, July 8, 2007 at 8:38:40 AM
 


Todd Huffman is a pediatrician and writer living in Eugene, Oregon. He is a regular contributor to many newspapers and publications throughout the Pacific Northwest.
Todd Huffman, M.D.Todd Huffman is a pediatrician and writer living in Eugene, Oregon. He is a regular contributor to many newspapers and publications throughout the Pacific Northwest.

Link Problem

I'm interested in learning more, but the link provided says "Whoops!", information not available. Can you help?

Regardless whether he spoke up at private cabinet meetings, if he disagreed with the rush to war on the cheap, he should have resigned. Being a good soldier does not trump being a good American.

by Todd Huffman, M.D. (80 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 109 comments) on Sunday, July 8, 2007 at 1:43:35 PM
 


I am a resident of Detroit, MI.  I do not have a party affiliation; though 1) I have tended to vote Democrat for the most part; and 2) I am somewhat conservative and have been told I look like a Republican.  I appreciate what I've read by Fareed Zakaria on international matters.
SLJI am a resident of Detroit, MI.  I do not have a party affiliation; though 1) I have tended to vote Democrat for the most part; and 2) I am somewhat conservative and have been told I look like a Republican.  I appreciate what I've read by Fareed Zakaria on international matters.

Link

Sorry about the link problem.  Trying again without the "view" at the end.

As far as Powell's culpability, he was indeed *the* Secretary of State.  And, beyond not taking what was given to him at face value, there are other things that could have been done.  Voicing his opinions and yet remaining loyal -- a creed he has, I think -- didn't seem to serve him well.

If the following link does not work, I suggest going to PBS.org, clicking on the Programs A-Z near the top, finding Frontline, and navigating through.  This program was made in 2003.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/

by SLJ (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Sunday, July 8, 2007 at 10:57:23 PM
 


  .
TomK  .

Powell cannot escape key responsibilities

Powell did try his best to check and filter the CIA intelligence and few if any believe he knew he presented falsehood at the UN. But he is the sec of state with full faculty and power to say no, to demand answers and insist on verification. Also, he can decide not to appear at the UN, or to chose other venues or dates to present the 'case' for war. He knew the politics of the situation, what kind of guy Tenant is, who was pulling tricks behind the scene. To a degree, he allowed himself to be setup.

As to war strategy, yes he issued his famous 'break 'em fix 'em' warning before the war. He knew in detail the Pantagon was readying for invasion by a certain time while he and other played the UN front game.  He knew it was a setup and went along. He also relinquished all say about post-war, letting Rummy run the whole show, knowing full well Rummy's dogma of delusion will blow up. He should resign within 6 month after the invasion when it became clear there was no WMD and post-invasion 'strategy' was doggone stupid. But he did not. 

by TomK (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 231 comments) on Sunday, July 8, 2007 at 10:26:32 PM
 


Charlie Jackson is sixth-generation Texan, international technology consultant, and founder of Texans for Peace. He recently returned from his third visit to Iraq.
charlie jacksonCharlie Jackson is sixth-generation Texan, international technology consultant, and founder of Texans for Peace. He recently returned from his third visit to Iraq.

Total war is the "surge"

 

You are right about the "total war" concept, especially in a country (Iraq) where the overwhelming majority are supporting the insurgents.  However, this "total war" concept is now being deployed in Baqouba, Ramadi, Fallujah, Tal Afar and most of Baghdad....particularly since Bush gave commanders "no holds barred" instructions for the "surge".

 

P.S. I've been to Iraq three times during the past five years, as a war opponent, and have a good feel for what's happening on the groung.

 

Charlie Jackson
Texans for Peace

see: http://www.texansforpeace.org/endthewar 

by charlie jackson (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 10:34:12 PM
 

 

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