Ralph Lopez is the author of "Truth in the Age of Bushism."
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The biggest problem with the 9/11 Truth Movement is where it leads: a place dark and evil beyond imagination. Even if deep down you believed it was an inside job, you would need to deny it.
So when hundreds of American military officers, pilots, engineers, and CIA veterans stepped forward to say they believed the official story to be a monstrous lie, I was shaken to the core. There had to be an explanation for everything. The combination of forces and heat that took down the towers was unique; no engineer could give a definitive answer. The hijackers got lucky, including a good dose of incompetence and shortsightedness on the part of the government, which is nearly criminal, but not complicit. It's always easier for governments to lie than admit how stupid they are. The conspiracies led to the deep dark hole that we are ruled by criminal psychopaths, who, in one theory, had knowledge of impending attacks by bin Laden, and made sure they would succeed.
But are we? Hundreds of military officers of the highest rank with everything to lose (since their paychecks are signed by the US government), and scientific and engineering professionals, their credentials an open target, as well as the legions of Americans who sacrificed jobs or emptied their 401Ks to perform the thousands of hours of research, retrieval of video clips seen once on television then strangely disappeared, and all the other thankless, payless tasks associated with putting together evidence that can no longer be ignored. This tells me our republic is alive and well, and we can only be ruled by a cabal if we let them.
The credentials of patriotsquestion911.com read like a wall of shining brass and silver mounted on wood, the accomplishments of lifetimes decorating grandpa's study: Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Retired commercial airline captain with 27 years experience. Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100. Retired fighter pilot. Former Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School (Topgun). Professor Emeritus, Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former President, Joint Committee on Structural Safety, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology.
And there are HUNDREDS of them.
Those buildings were full of people. How could anybody "pull" them down? How is it possible for a human being to do this?
It was happening to me. Reading all that two and four-star brass saying it looked like a conspiracy put me face-to-face with it. I was becoming a 9/11 Truther. Kooks, lunatics, nuts. Everyone knows this. But these experts were just too credible, something the movement hadn't been before. I didn't need to be an expert or do much more research. It had been done, by military personnel with more flying time and expertise than I would have in a dozen lifetimes. And if they said there were a hell of lot of questions that needed to be answered in a new commission, That was good enough for me. I am now a 9/11 Truther. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
Their words are unparsed and direct: "a joke," "a cover-up," "a monstrous series of lies," "a pretext for war," "not a serious piece of analysis," riddled with "serious shortcomings," "omissions," and "major flaws."
Here finally was the testimony I both sought and dreaded, confirming, in many cases, my first instincts on hearing the news on that terrible day. Amateur pilots flew these planes HOW FAR and threaded needles in a haystack? That pilot did a steep HOW MANY degree dive to hit the Pentagon? Everyone who has seen a demolition on TV is to believe that these were NOT demolitions, buildings falling at free-fall speed into their own footprint? But I'm no expert on much of anything. I leave it to the people who make this stuff their study 8 hours a day, year after year, and have the degrees to show for it.
Of the corkscrew dive which supposedly put a commercial airliner into the Pentagon, Pilots For 911 Truth say:
"Once this maneuver was completed, without going into a graveyard spiral, he started to pull out of the descent at 2200 feet and accelerated only 30 knots more at full power to 460 knots in a descent from 2200 feet to the pentagon in about a minute (Whats Vmo at sea level for a 757? Flap speed? Since it looks like he may have found the flap handle only accelerating 60 knots from 7000 feet, the from 2200 feet at full power). AA77 crossed the highways, knocking down light poles, entered ground effect, didnt touch the lawn and got a 44 foot high target (Tail height of 757) into a 77 foot target completely, without overshooting or bouncing off the lawn, or spreading any wreckage at 460 knots. With a 33 foot margin for error. Wow, impressive. Takes a real steady hand to pull that off. I know it would take me a few tries to get it so precise, especially entering ground effect at those speeds. Any slight movement will put you off 50 feet very quickly. Im sure we all would agree."
"So, who pulled off this stunt? Hani Hanjour. Reported to have 600TT and a Commercial Certificate (see quotes right margin). Hani tried to get checked out in a 172 a few weeks prior at Freeway Airport in MD. Two seperate CFI's took Hani up to check him out. Baxter and Conner found that Hani had trouble controlling and landing a 172 at 65 knots. Bernard, the Chief CFI, refused to rent him the 172. I have instructed many years. I have soloed students in 172's when i had 300 hours as a CFI. How anyone could not control a 172 at 600TT and a Commercial is beyond me. Flight Schools keep going till you "get it" if you are a bit rusty, and then rent you the plane. They are in business to make money after all. .right? The Chief CFI basically refused any further lessons and basically told him to get lost."
The question becomes: how do people deal with the monstrous implications of this? I think most people, even if they are convinced, could not deal with the enormity of an entire government this evil. But a limited cabal of criminal psychopaths I can wrap my mind around. That can be excised. Other countries have gone through their velvet revolutions, gone through truth commissions, like the silent protests of Mothers of the Disappeared in Argentina, and they have gone on. Pinochets and Fujimoris have been put on trial, or near it, and the countries have gone on. This can be done without civil strife and social upset. Some of the most important people in this kind of truth movement, the nation's military officers, are speaking out.
For every sign of being surrounded by evil, I see three other signs of being surrounded by brave, fearless patriots. The relatively small cabal that the 9/11 Truth Movement leads us to involves, according to Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS, U.S. Air Force (ret), "treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government."
The 9/11 Truth Movement should be about reconciliation and finding out the truth. Full amnesty should be offered to military officers who step forward who are privy to details of the stand-down, the Pentagon operation, or other military-technical details. Immunity should also be granted to members of Congress who believe they received briefings which may make them complicit. We have questions. Lots of questions. Mr. Wolfowitz, please elaborate on the phrase "absent a catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor" in reference to the Project for a New American Century's clear advocacy of a military invasion of Iraq, page Section V of the essay "Rebuilding America's Defenses." Am I to take it that a new Pearl Harbor would have been welcomed? As a major policy-maker do you understand how close this is to treason, sir?
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Truth & Reconciliation Commission- 9/11, Iraq, Fed, IRS, etc
Complete 9/11 Timeline made from over 5000 articles exclusively from mainstream sources. 9/11 Commission ignored testimony of FBI whistleblowers Coleen Rowley, Sibel Edmonds and Robert Wright- not whistleblower, but agent Harry Samit accused his superiors of criminal negligence in the Moussaoui trial. Ken Williams, Phoenix Memo. Criminals, need to testify under oath- David Frasca, head of the Radical Fundamentalist unit, obstructed investigations that could've stopped 9/11. Marion "Spike" Bowan, Michael Maltbie. DoD whistlblowers, Able Danger- Scott Philpott, Anthony Schaffer Insider Trading - Warning Signs Banking crime families like the Morgans and Rockefellers need to testify under oath Sibel Edmonds' State Secrets Privilege Gallery needs to testify under oath I would not automatically endorse everyone at "Patriots" Question 9/11 , though- he's got people like James Fetzer, Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood on there- crackpot/COINTELPRO alert. Also, anyone who emphatically, absolutely claims that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon either hasn't researched enough to know that's it's been shown how it could have been a 757, or they KNOW it's a red herring and are trying to sabotage the truth movement by Better World Order (4 articles, 568 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 1110 comments [56 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:05:19 PM  (0+)
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Getting Through ...
Basically I’ve run into 4 general types, those that readily believe we’ve been lied to, those that think Truthers are nuts, those that are simply too busy to pay any attention and those that refuse to know. Of the 4 the latter seem to be the hardest to get though to. As the article mentions, no one wants to believe that a humane being can be so depraved as to commit such a crime, let alone a large group of humans. I find it hard to believe they can’t believe such a thing when overwhelming evidence has surrounded us through out mankind’s history that such atrocities have been committed since the dawn of time and continue to this day. I need not list all the wars, crimes of genocide, false flag operations that have been well documented to shatter any notion of mankind’s so-called “benevolent” nature. We are a cruel lot. The fact that this country has passed through several generations of what can only be termed a Disneyland version of reality, in that in the past 50 years or so we’ve near all of us lived like kings compared to what most of the rest of the world has to endure. This makes it extremely hard for those that have believed all the lies all their lives to simply throw all their core beliefs out the window. I can only imagine it would be as if it told that ones otherwise, loving and outwardly respectable parents were found to be holding sex-slaves in the basement of the house you grew-up in, murdering them and burying them in the back yard. People just don’t want to go there. They don’t want to find out that everything they’ve been told since birth is a lie. And I can’t really blame them. But fact is they don’t matter anyway as long as they don’t get in the way. For it is those that don’t believe and those that are busy that are the only ones that can be reached. The ones that believe the official story can at least be engaged and ones that are busy can be reached. And in the “too busy” crowd they’ll also splinter into one of the other groups once exposed. There is one thing about 9/11 that separates itself from say the Kennedy Assassination or other crimes of government conspiracy, in that of its magnitude, audacity and pure diabolical nature. It sucks the breath from you once the truth ignites within you. But once exposed everything in your life changes, for never again can one look at their government in the same way as before. by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:43:57 PM (0+)
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Reply: How to get through?
We should keep in mind that the fourth category of people you refer to, those who refuse to consider any argument against their position, will be those who, when the truth finally comes out, will be the most vehement in calling for all perpetrators at every level to be put to death or even tortured ("An eye for an eye", they will say). In part, their anger will grow out of self-anger for having allowed themselves to be made to look like fools for so long. It is to these people that we must start any appeal to them to consider a different version of events with a call for forgiveness of others in life as well as in international affairs. At the very least, they might begin to see the irrationality of their hatred of ordinary Afghanis, Iraqis, Iranians and others. This would change for the better their biased image of truthers as rabid anti-Americans who blame the US government for all problems in the world and in their own lives bent on revenge and self-actualization through violence against the government. The issue of the need to create a 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission was first raised on this site a year ago in a series of comments to the following article (incidentally, you, Mr M, contributed to the comments there as well): www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_joseph_s_070414_a_9_2f11__22smoking_gun_22.htm by John Stan (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Monday, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:41:11 AM (0+)
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One mans truth is another's mans mystery.
You state: "The biggest problem with the 9/11 Truth Movement is where it leads: a place dark and evil beyond imagination. Even if deep down you believed it was an inside job, you would need to deny it." This is an observation that is applicable to anyone in denial. The corollary to your observation is that when consumed by confusion and hate, paranoia fueled theories predicated upon suspect data promote robotic acceptance within that small delusional circle of people with a predisposition to buy into such drivel. People choose whatever truth will soothe the beast that lives in their gut. Some choose christianity, other Judaism, others Jim Jones. The 9/11 truth movement is akin to a cult religion that attracts angry people who want to lash out at what they cannot control. And since most of them are spoiled American brats....they are ALL about control. As far as "war games" being rehearsed that resemble a 9/11 event...I would hope that we have rehearsed or at the very least considered every devious sick perverse evil trick that mankind can envision. We've certainly given the govenment enough tax money to pay for limitless theoretical war games. Lets hope they used and are using it intelligently. A 9/11 scenario may have indeed been rehearsed, yet have no connection to a real event. by James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 193 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:44:24 PM (0+)
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Reply: Oh, what a tangled web you weave ...
"In politics nothing happens 'by chance.' If something happens, then you can bet that it was planned that way." "there are no coincidences in politics" ~ old adage One has to be deluded not to believe that we spend unaccounted, unaudited billions of dollars - (maybe trillions, we don't know) on so-called "intelligence" agencies of various kinds and that this by its very nature wouldn't attract those that live to hatch conspiracies. Really? You seem to want to have people believe that these agencies, who are accountable to no one, who work completely in secret, who have their fingers in every business, government, network, who have access to weapons and surveillance systems we haven't even heard of, who have files on anyone they wish to have one on and can make or break anyone that threatens their existence - that somehow they're just playing "war games"? Are you for real? Do you know how foolish you sound? You can see why you're not real popular spewing these absurd ideas? I may be ignorant - but I'm not stupid. And there is one thing I am dead-sure about - what the government's so-called "official story" of 9/11 was is crap - total, six-ways-to-Sunday bullshit - and you pedaling that crap makes you suspect So other than you weaving your words around in a transparent attempt to sound as though you have gravitas you have actually nothing to say ... by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:20:35 PM (0+)
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Reply: YOUR PSYCHOLOGICAL ANALYSIS PRESUPPOSES WE ARE WRONG
I suppose Mr. Strait would also "hope" that the U.S. military has not only rehersed all conceivable scenarios but also rehersed them on the very day they also occurred in reality, It must be too bad that we can't move the rehersals up to at least one day before they actually happened. Then we could have prevented them. Oh, if only, if only... Your speculations or allegations about the psychology that supposedly explain the reasons we adhere to such wacky conspiracy theories presupposes that they are wacky and not true and suported by sound evidence. You should examine and refute the evidence. Otherwise, people might think you are simulating the pose of an Olympian, detached, learned, professonal psychologist or psychiatrist discoursing on the psychological dynamics leading to us adopting such allegedly far out and wacky positions in order to anger us and sow doubts among members of our movement. But, again, maybe that IS what you are trying to do? Robert Halfhill rhalfhill@juno.com RobertHalfhill@gmail.com by rhalfhill (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 325 comments) on Sunday, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:31:32 AM (0+)
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9/11
Over the years there has been a lot of talk about a shadow government, one that is not elected by the people. Maybe it's true and maybe they are responsible for that deadly attack. It just seems impossible that 19 nutcases could successfully carry out such a difficult and complex mission. by Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1750 comments [110 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 3:02:32 PM (0+)
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Reply: Complex?
What was complex about it? It's suddenly pure evil genious to check airline schedules and coordinate half a dozen airplanes to be boarded at different venues by eagerly suicidal maniacs? If you believe the operation was complex...it helps explain why America can no longer get out of its own way. We have devolved into a nation of simpletons. by James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 193 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 3:07:39 PM (0+)
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Reply: I am not so loving
as wolfie (below) Mr. M. Stated: "But once exposed everything in your life changes, for never again can one look at their government in the same way as before.” Yes that is true. Never again and a government same way as before. In addition, never again can one look at someone who supports the official government story in the same way as before. Further, never again can one look at someone who is derisive towards critics of the government’s story in the same way as before. This is particularly true and particularly the case with respect to the last example given the amount of information we now have re: known government programs that seek to infiltrate forums and discussion groups using individuals who seek to deride and commit ad hominem attacks against government critics. These disinformation artists are fairly easy to recognize these days although some are more subtle, others appear rather surprisingly juvenile and transparent. You will encounter both of these varieties as well as many others who occupy positions on the continuum between the extremes. All, only deserve disdain. It should be noted that while there are some ‘innocents’, who, in their ignorance and their anger make comments resembling cointelpro/disinformation, these folks should now be counted as fairly rare and the exception to the rule. Honest discussion should forsake the name-calling and the bile. But when the intrusions are blatant, attention must be called to them. by richard (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 1359 comments [399 recommended, 8 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:40:26 PM (0+)
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Reply: it was complex
unless "Allah" truly was with them and removed all obstacles- 14 of the hijacker's VISA applications should've been denied on their face Visas that Should Have Been Denied 4 others are still "classified", not sure what's up with the 19th-Michael Springmann, head of US consular office in Jeddah, said he was told to issue VISAs to "unqualified" applicants or it would affect his career It's not clear that Al Qaeda has ever been entirely independent from the CIA; links have continually turned up in mainstream sources- also search cooperativeresearch.org (linked above) 2 hijackers lived with an FBI informant and the FBI wouldn't let Congress interview the informant Sources: Hijackers' ex-landlord was FBI informant They got NORAD and the FAA to drop the ball on routine and frequently drilled procedures for scrambling and intercepting wayward aircraft- 4 times on 9/11 And this is just scratching the surface 9-11 Ommission Hearings chaired by Cynthia McKinney by Better World Order (4 articles, 568 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 1110 comments [56 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:18:22 PM (0+)
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Reply: AND ALSO NO PROBLEM IN PENETRATING U.S. AIR DEFENSE
And I suppose you would also argue that it is not "pure, evil genious" that is required to explain how these "19 nut cases" were able to penetrate the most well defended air space on the planet, to penetrate it despite the fact that the civilian air traffic control system is able to detect imediately a plane going off its assigned course and that they are supposed to report this deviation to the military within minutes, and that one of the planes they hijacked was able to reach the Pentagon in spite of the automatic defenses that are supposed to destroy any attacking plane or missile. Robert Halfhill rhalfhill@juno.com RobertHalfhill@gmail.com by rhalfhill (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 325 comments) on Sunday, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:49:34 AM (0+)
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to mr strait, or is that crooked of reason
we are not in your state of disillusionment any more. you are not evil. we love you for being what you are. we are other. we are evolved. we are conscious. we are sad that you can not see the light. we are straight whereas you are seeing refracted light through a prism of a fun house mirrored world. be good to all you care about. be love and light. wolfie, who knows what he perceives. by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:23:29 PM (0+)
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The Big Lie of 9/11
Great posting. There needs to be a legitimate investigation on the events of 9/11 if for no other reason than to restore some bit of faith in what has become increasingly apparent a government that has been hijacked by criminals. I don't know what happened that day, I have seen a lot of theories some of which have a lot of merit and others that are obvious disinformation but the one story that I will NEVER believe is the official government version. Keep up the good work EE by Ed Encho (12 articles, 20 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 438 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:55:21 PM (0+)
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Welcome aboard, Ralph!
I went through a similar experience. Your entire perspective changes, and nothing is ever the same. I compare it to taking the red pill in the Matrix. by Barbara Peterson (73 articles, 109 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 541 comments [98 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:28:02 PM (0+)
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Reply: I have to second this....
Welcome aboard. by richard (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 1359 comments [399 recommended, 8 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:33:58 PM (0+)
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It didn't happen but you ARE a truther
The article, for all its passion and conviction, is a textbook case of the psychology behind conspiracy theories. While I suspect most Truthers aren't interested in this psychology, the thought processes are interesting. In a nutshell, the conspiracy is the means by which the mind tries to explain or reconcile the fear and uncertainty created by seemingly small causes that have huge impacts. And interestingly enough with conspiracies, the bigger the impact, the bigger the conspiracy – and 9/11 was one of the biggest - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1561199.stm . On September 24, 2001, Professor Cary Cooper, a psychologist at the University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology, predicted that, "...[I]n the weeks ahead, US terror attack theories will expand and become attributed to an ever larger group of culprits." And what was the reason for this expansion? "We simply can't believe a small number of people could be behind it," suggests Professor Cooper. Does Mr. Lopez's article corroborate this thinking? Oh, yeah! Here's what he says: "Here finally was the testimony I both sought and dreaded, confirming, in many cases, my first instincts on hearing the news on that terrible day. Amateur pilots flew these planes HOW FAR and threaded needles in a haystack? That pilot did a steep HOW MANY degree dive to hit the Pentagon? Everyone who has seen a demolition on TV is to believe that these were NOT demolitions, buildings falling at free-fall speed into their own footprint?" Mr. Lopez cannot fathom that something relatively small (well, in comparison to the collapses of three WTC towers) like four amateur pilots with poor to moderate flying skills – could snuff the lives of 3,000 people. So... he took his suspicion and searched...and searched... and finally found – "the experts". And Mr. Lopez magnanimously states, "But I'm no expert on much of anything. I leave it to the people who make this stuff their study 8 hours a day, year after year, and have the degrees to show for it." Right... right. "It was happening to me. Reading all that two and four-star brass saying it looked like a conspiracy put me face-to-face with it." He's not an expert, so Mr. Lopez leaves it up to "others" to decide for him...? Mr. Lopez doesn't seem that naïve to me. Okay, so here we have the reason why people want to believe in a conspiracy and a ready example of that belief. The next question to ask is what do they do with this belief? Well, they "force" themselves to enter the rabbit hole and find that it's quite deep. The interesting point with this spelunking expedition is that the more they research or go deeper, the more the conspiracy theorist finds more reasonable the "supporting" circumstantial evidence in lieu of the manufactured or fabricated evidence forwarded by the... the perpetrators (aka U.S. government). In February 2007, Dr. Patrick Leman, a psychologist at the Royal Holloway University of London, postulated that, "...[I]f someone is adamant that the moon landings were faked they will insist that there is clear evidence of this in NASA pictures - why is the flag fluttering when here is no wind on the moon? They will ignore alterative explanations that do not support a conspiracy theory - for example in a vacuum, there is no friction so it takes longer for a flag to roll up. So if we accept a conspiracy theory to be true we are more likely to accept explanations that are consistent with a conspiracy and less likely to accept evidence that runs against a conspiracy account," - click here . I wonder if Mr. Lopez displays such thinking? Yuppers, he does! "The men who perpetrated 9/11 are men with sick hearts. Indictments should be confined to the intellectual authors of such deeds, the civilian leadership, and those who incited others to treason." Mr. Lopez has already judged and sentenced the guilty and has no need of a court – just a commission to... forgive. No alternate explanation could possibly exist to refute the belief that big, big evil is afoot. You know, what I think is more freaky is how well Mr. Lopez and his article confirms the psychology behind conspiracies. by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2100 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:55:53 PM (0+)
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Reply: Sigh...
So asking legitimate questions about vast inconsistencies, mistakes and ommissions in the 9/11 Report is a textbook case of the psychology behind conspiracy theories? So, in order to be "normal" according to you is to swallow what the government proffers hook, line and sinker, and be a good little mindless, unthinking and obedient robot? How much is the Pentagon paying you to write such trite? Yes, you've been found out. by Vierotchka (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 39 comments) on Saturday, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:47:53 PM (0+)
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Reply: Gasp!
You've found me out - again! This is perhaps the 12th time now that I have been accused of acting in this capacity. Get in line, there are a number ahead of you. Go ahead and question all you want. It's not the questions that are wrong but the manner in which they are used and processed that makes one a Truther in line with the conspiracy psychology. Then again, what do I know - I'm reading from a script. by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2100 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Apr 6, 2008 at 7:05:50 PM (0+)
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You have to play "Judo" when the Mammoth Media is Corrupt
HOW do we get around the media blockade !!!! by Bill Douglas Page 1 of 3 page(s) An action plan was formulated on this historic evening, which would give us a chance to break the 9/11 truth media blockade using this explosive historical-novel. Alten's interview on National CBS Radio which exposed 9/11 truth issues to millions of listeners in one night, probably most hearing them for the first time, has gained great respect from those dedicated to getting the truth about 9/11. 5 minute excerpt of the CBS Radio interview: http://theshellgame.net/interview.mp3 Read more at . . . http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_bill_dou_080403_join_the_week_of_tru.htm by Bill Douglas (69 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments) on Saturday, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:54:07 PM (0+)
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ID The South Tower Fake Flight 175
Keystone Cops 9/11: ID The South Tower Fake Flight 175 click here by winnybar (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Saturday, Apr 5, 2008 at 7:40:01 PM (0+)
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Call me a no planer -or- keep watching TV
"We simply can't believe a small number of people could be behind it," suggests Professor Cooper. Wrong. I can believe a small number of people could be behind it. BTW, this group can short the airline stocks, manufacture anthrax, have access to high explosives, divert attention away from flights that may or may not exist. by Mike M C (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Saturday, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:16:34 PM (0+)
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Ludicrous wishful thinking.
Your diagnosis cum "analysis" was worth every cent we paid for it --- absolutely nothing. by Vierotchka (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 39 comments) on Saturday, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:39:16 PM (0+)
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Reply: Re "Ludicrous wishful thinking"
That post was in response to Mr Straight's post entitled "One mans truth is another's mans mystery." by Vierotchka (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 39 comments) on Saturday, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:52:41 PM (0+)
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Have you heard of Skull and Bones, James? Now that's a cult.
"The 9/11 truth movement is akin to a cult religion that attracts angry people who want to lash out at what they cannot control." - James Strait Are you out of your mind James? The 9/11 truth movement is the exact opposite of a cult religion. The truth movement requires a person to look into the physical evidence, examine the science behind the events, and scrutinize the inconsistencies of the theories surrounding 9/11. by Mike M C (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Sunday, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:35:05 AM (0+)
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NO amnesty, NO forgiveness
There's only one important question concerning the attacks, did the US gov't allow/participate in 9/11? The answer to that query would explain the illegal wire-taps, suspension of habeas corpus, banning of books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, detaining of dissenters in fences miles away from events, and multiple wars based on lies. How can the gov't be innocent in 9/11 when we have caught it lying so many times (WACO, Ruby Ridge, no WMDs, USS Liberty, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, ETC.)? In law, if you determine a person lies ONCE during his testimony, it can be assumed that he lied in the remainder of his testimony. How come we do not hold the gov't to the same standard as it holds us to? The gov't lied to us about Iraq and more Americans have died there than in 9/11. If the gov't lied about Iraq then why is everyone so reluctant to believe that the gov't lied about 9/11? Final link (before Google Books bends to pressure and drops the title): by Lorring II (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 87 comments) on Sunday, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:03:14 AM (0+)
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9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission
The issue of the need to create a 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission was first raised on this site a year ago. Please see the interesting discussion it generated here: www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_joseph_s_070414_a_9_2f11__22smoking_gun_22.htm by John Stan (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Sunday, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:53:11 AM (0+)
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WOULD NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A SOCIETY THAT TORTURES
I have been alarmed when some people have advocated torturing the 9/11 perpetrators. There have been proposals to confine them in Guantanomo for life and subjected to the same tortures inflicted on detainees there. I have even read one post on the internet saying that Cheney ought to be slowly lowered into the hotest possible furnace. I would not want to live in any society that imposed such tortures and I am concerned that Bush-Cheney and the neo cons have provoked such justified hatred that any society that follows the exposure of the 9/11 conspirators might react by inflicting such tortures. But life in prison without parole is certainly the appropriate penalty for even one murder, let alone 3000! They should be confined in a HUMANE prison but locked up there for life nonetheless. I am for amnesty for anyone guilty of bringing about 9/11 ONLY IF the only way to convict someone even more guilty is with their testimony. Robert Halfhill rhalfhill@juno.com RobertHalfhill@gmail.com by rhalfhill (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 325 comments) on Sunday, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:21:43 AM (0+)
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Excellent article! Kudos to Mr Lopez
The real trick is to get those currently in office, the perpetrators of the crime, out of office before they pull this stunt again before Nov 4 '08. Does the US have a spine and a will to make things right or will the sheep continue to line up for slaughter? by Angela Zayak (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 36 comments) on Sunday, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:33:35 AM (0+)
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Im no cult member
Im a vet and a patriot, and I know a controlled demolition when I see one. I am not a member of a cult! People who try to offer up lame excuses about how the WTC was destroyed by jet fuel are spitting in the face of every critically thinking person who has ever lived. I understand that some people like fascism, I mean Hitler had his supporters too as did Mussolinni. I for one am getting sick of all the lies though,as are a lot of other people, but I still don't see how that makes any of us cult members. I thought it made me a patriot, a lover of my country, my neighbors, and my fellow man. Oh wow! That sounds out there! Maybe I am a brainwashed cult member after all! by Heath Widdowson (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 20 comments) on Sunday, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:32:39 PM (0+)
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What does this mean?
""Takes a real steady hand to pull that off. I know it would take me a few tries to get it so precise, especially entering ground effect at those speeds."" Is this guy saying that nobody could have done this on the first try? Is he saying that an aircraft didn't hit the Pentagon (despite all the eyewitnesses)? Or is he saying that the pilot must have been better than him because it was hit on the first try? Even if the aircraft was remotely piloted, somebody was flying it without getting a "few tries" first. by Mr Stq (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 37 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Apr 12, 2008 at 4:00:04 PM (0+)
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