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December 9, 2007 at 09:45:43

Gödel's Unsung Discovery©

by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo     Page 1 of 3 page(s)

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Gödel's Unsung Discovery©

A History of Fascism in the USA and how and why the Reincarnate fascists now control America and soon the world after failing in WW II, and How if only someone had listened to the prophetic words of Physicist Kurt Gödel in 1947, the Bushites would never have taken office and would all now be rotting in jails.



Albert Einstein was the epitome of the Pre and Post war German speaking intellectual world. In that atmosphere, among the luminaries of science, where physics, math and philosophy intertwined, Albert Einstein's colleague and friend, physicist Kurt Gödel was a shining star.

According to his biographer Walter Isaacson, Einstein loved to walk to work in the morning while either lost in thought or in a conversation with his equally star-struck (almost literally) friend Kurt Gödel. Through that era between World Wars and after, "...three jarring theories emerged: Einstein's relativity, Heisenberg's uncertainty and Gödel's incompleteness," according to Isaacson. Through these ideas, the world was changed forever. As you soon will see, too bad we did not commission those two scientists to rewrite the Constitution.

One day, on one of those walks to work, this time alone, in fact, a driver recognizing the "... beautiful old man..." was so stunned and amazed by the sighting of the great scientist, that he crashed his auto into a tree in a concussive reaction usually limited to male virgin drivers, upon spying Jessica Alba walking down the street in a thong bikini.

Their personalities were startlingly different, (not Jessica Alba's and the driver) "Einstein was filled with good humor and sagacity, both qualities lacking in Gödel, whose intense logic, sometimes overwhelmed common sense," Isaacson states.
However, in the instance I am about to present, Gödel's logic, perspicacity, discovery and solution brilliance, had it been leaped upon by prophetic observers, would have saved the lives and/or limbs of 5.5 million* dead and casualties and the 4.25 million Diaspora, among Iraqi civilian's and 75,000 dead and casualties of American military personnel. (*38% of that nation's population, dead wounded/maimed or left the nation)

Therefore, in 1947, Gödel while in the course of studying for his citizenship exam related to Einstein that he had come upon "... a logical flaw, and internal inconsistency," which could allow the government to degenerate into tyranny. Einstein concerned that Gödel might bring the matter up at his examination and lose his opportunity to become a citizen, in an effort to thwart Gödel's discussion of his findings with the judge, the same one who oversaw Einstein's own successful citizenship examination, decided to chaperone Gödel on his visit to Trenton. In so doing, he brought a third party to distract Gödel and to dissuade him from bringing the matter to the attention of the judge.

Unfortunately, they failed in their attempt and Gödel, when the judge asked him about the Constitution, embarked upon his evidence that its internal inconsistency allowed an opening for a dictatorship and ultimate tyranny.

More unfortunately for us today, but Fortunately for Gödel, the judge proud of his association and ties to Einstein, and not wishing to jeopardize that relationship, headed-off Gödel's lecture, and directed him to focus on the reason for his being in Trenton that day. Thus, Gödel became an American citizen and, but America lost its chance to shun the Hun or at least shackle him.

In the planning of documents which were to be the basis for our Constitution, venerated by men of good will and justice, everywhere, and especially our forefathers, overlooked one small thing, (Small to men of honor), but that thing loomed large to those of dishonor.

That "thing" which is dependent upon the same men of good will, for restraint-men who embrace an honor system that would exercise care to not exploit the gaps in the delicate balances and divisions of power, care delimiting any exploitation, which is a concept lost upon the Bushites. But how were men of honor, mere humans, how were they to know that the Hun was not yet dead, but merely smoldering and the Huns had reentered the world through the bodies of men new born months after their each of their deaths? How many times had the Beast attempted to destroy Democracy?

Why, in our time-in modern times alone more than a few with Hitler in Germany saved by his god, Satan in WW I. With Prescott Bush in 1933? Forrestal, in 1949? McCarthy in the 1950's? And now once more, with the Bushites in the 21st century? How persistent are the demons spawned in the bowels of Beelzebub since time began, before the Big Bang?

Kurt Gödel's Unsung Discovery© hushed-up by his friend Einstein, if made public and acted upon with inherent Constitutional and Bill of Rights protective measures, would have sentenced the Bushites to the scrap-heap of non-history. They are, instead now, the twin bastions-the figureheads supported by vast army of super wealthy and the soon to be wealthy, corrupt contractors, industrialists, traitors and power seekers, and the vast legions of the uninformed, the bigoted, the haters of justice and anyone different than they. "Beware, the Military Industrial Complex, " Said Former General, President, Dwight D. Eisenhower as Jack Kennedy was about to enter the White House.

That same young man-Jack Kennedy, would soon become a victim of the very force that now has a strangle hold upon America and the world. For now, like the seeded teeth of the Many Headed Hydra, fascism has sprung up throughout the world and especially here, once "...The home of the brave and the land of the free..."

The Hun, which are the condemners of Bleeding Heart Liberals, Liberals, like Jesus, who along with false god they worship, the god of avarice, have come to finish what Prescott Bush in the park near the White House with 500,000 WW I Veterans who'd come to claim their pensions from the that war, could not-he was not The Closer.

It is/was alleged that Prescott Bush tried to exploit the 500,000 veterans, to rush the White House and hang FDR, allowing Bush and his fascist money changers to take over in 1933 and join Adolph Hitler-was this true? See the BBC investigation which shed new light on the coup attempt by industrialists and Bush, who was lending money to Hitler between 1932-1942 and who hid stash of millions of dollars for escaped Nazi's until 1951, in treasonous violation of the Trading with the Enemies Act, with impunity. He had tried to do what the descendants of his ideology are now doing in America, Canada, Mexico and elsewhere.

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A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.
W. Christopher Epler (Bill)A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.

paper chains aren't chains

Pete,

Another hurricane of fact supported insight.

OK, let me get this straight. You're saying something I too have been glimpsing about the Constitution. It's hard to articulate (and it may not be what Goedel had seen at all), but it's something like the constitution, with all its checks and balances is still ultimately utterly dependent on men of good will. There's no "magic" in a relatively perfect constitutional document, because its still only a "document" and for the pugs it's a document that has been changed into toilet paper.

It's the same thing with "laws". Laws don't mean ka ka unless the people concerned AGREE to be lawful. We like to pretend "as if" laws and constitutions have a kind of "independent power" separate from the souls of each of us, and therefore, they become as it were the boundaries and paramenters of civilization -- and lest we forget, the same is true of (woo! woo!) "Commandments"!

This is the vision and this is the prayer, but it's absolutely, absolutely meanless. If laws a constitutions have "peole controlling power", it's all by default. The evil ones are just too weak to trash the restraints and/or the good have to power to inforce the restraints, but ultimately laws and constitutions (and politics) are paper games (like company "mission statements") which have ZERO power over humanity.

The Goedel thing seems more slightly different since you are emphasizing the "subtly" of the checks and balances which can so easily be mangled by evil men and women. Also, our founding fathers were powerless to do anything about this variable because it transcends documents (however wise) and goes straight to the human heart (or lack of it).

Institutional whistling in the dark is still just institutionally whistling in the dark.

Looked at one way, this means the only alternative is power (Neitche comes to mind), but looked at another way it all comes down to "Christ Consciousness". The true, eternal (?) and ONLY ultimate field of conflict.

Am I close to the intuitions of your wonderful (as usual) piece?

peace, shalom, love, Bill

 

 

by W. Christopher Epler (Bill) (202 articles, 44 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 437 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 6:32:04 PM
 


Professor Bagnolo is a Renaissance man: Cultural Anthropologist, Architectural designer, painter, writer, novelist, theologian. As a child prodigy, abed with polio for almost two years, with an off the charts IQ, reading at the graduate level by 5th grade, offered an opportunity to skip three grades at age 8.Later He was a recipient of an Art Institute scholarship at age 11, a Ford Foundation Fellowship in Anthropology and in Painting and a merit scholarship in art, and was appointed a Graduate ...

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Professor Emeritus Peter BagnoloProfessor Bagnolo is a Renaissance man: Cultural Anthropologist, Architectural designer, painter, writer, novelist, theologian. As a child prodigy, abed with polio for almost two years, with an off the charts IQ, reading at the graduate level by 5th grade, offered an opportunity to skip three grades at age 8.Later He was a recipient of an Art Institute scholarship at age 11, a Ford Foundation Fellowship in Anthropology and in Painting and a merit scholarship in art, and was appointed a Graduate ...

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Bill

In a word, yes. It all comes down to soul, enlightenment, and conscience of which is appears from my next article neither party has much of.

I do not know what Gödel saw, but it all I saw was that there is no law, that would contain less than 1,000,000 pages of support and defense like a John Dominic Crossan Theology book, that can ever be free of error or intentional misinterpretation by men of evil or greedy intent. That is why there are judges and scholars and we still have troubles.

Men (and women, Sandy) of Good Will are all we ever need to approach perfection, but it shall never come here in this dimension, which is one of the evidences of eternal life-the thing which Gödel proved scientifically to Einstein, and which I like, St. Paul have experienced and can say from that experience, this is not where it is at, this is the material testing ground and the Majesterium is Farking wrong about a good deal, including who are the prophets, about human sexuality, and about right and wrong and about the nature of the after-life and reincarnation and more, so much more. Damned good thing there are at least 36 prophets or even the enlightened would be screwed over by the Organized Religions 

 

by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1216 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 7:28:20 PM
 


A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.
W. Christopher Epler (Bill)A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.

36 has a lot of factors

36 has a lot of factors: 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 12, 18, and 36

no prime number this 

hmmm

Bill

by W. Christopher Epler (Bill) (202 articles, 44 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 437 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 8:40:21 PM
 


Michael Collins is a writer who focuses on clean elections and voting rights. See this summary of his articles plus Election 2004: The Urban Legend and groundbreaking research and commentary in "" His web site, Election Fraud News & The Money Party, offers a collection of resources and commentary on critical issues facing the country.
Michael CollinsMichael Collins is a writer who focuses on clean elections and voting rights. See this summary of his articles plus Election 2004: The Urban Legend and groundbreaking research and commentary in "" His web site, Election Fraud News & The Money Party, offers a collection of resources and commentary on critical issues facing the country.

OK, I'm hooked.

I remember studying Godel in college in a course that focused on Wittgenstein. The one concept I've remembered since then is that any system has an internal contradiction that invaludates the system's consistency. There is no perfectly consistent system.

Maybe what he saw was a doccument that set up a government with one key element absent - there is no clearly defined punishment for trying to destroy the system, i.e. the Constitution. Hence, the Bush connection. Why didn't Congress prosecute? I don't know but they didn't. I've been aware of this for some time.  Had the Constitution contained a clear injunction against those who actively attempted to destroy it, the Congress would have had no choice.  (The BBC elaboration is great but this is a) not discussed in public and b) rarely taught in school, at any level.)

A variation of this is that the document was infected by a tragic virus, one related to property. The document is, after all, focused on individual not collective rights. Therefore, the fatal flaw, was the absense of a protection against trying to destroy the Constitution itself. Ironic, isn't it.

The tragic virus was, without any dought, the wealth of the framers. There was a disproportionate amount of wealth in the South due to slavery, human bondage. This would account for the failure to protect the nation as a whole because, as each and every framer knew, their wealtlh would eventually be undone, denied them. Their inability to reconcile this fear of lost wealth with the need to protect the Constitution in an ultimate form and for the benefit of the governing document. This inadequacy allowed people of great wealth to attack the governing document with impugnity.

These are just thoughts at this point. Quite an article. I'll check outthe web site.

 

 

by Michael Collins (81 articles, 11 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 289 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 1:22:41 AM
 


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Professor Emeritus Peter BagnoloProfessor Bagnolo is a Renaissance man: Cultural Anthropologist, Architectural designer, painter, writer, novelist, theologian. As a child prodigy, abed with polio for almost two years, with an off the charts IQ, reading at the graduate level by 5th grade, offered an opportunity to skip three grades at age 8.Later He was a recipient of an Art Institute scholarship at age 11, a Ford Foundation Fellowship in Anthropology and in Painting and a merit scholarship in art, and was appointed a Graduate ...

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Good points Mike

I felt since high school that there should have been a severe punishment for even mentioning or discussing laws which interfere with the direction of the Constitution. You are correct, it should have been sacrosanct from the beginning with sharp laws to protect it and the Bill of Rights. However, I believe that at the time, and in that milieu, the Founding Fathers felt that all men who supported them were good and true and they wanted a flexible document which could be improved. I think they also felt that, as I said in the article, that the delicate balance of the 3 realms of power should remain fluid, with amendments to be added. It probably never occurred to them that a satanic power would infest the White House, after all such concepts are as mysterious as are the quantum, or Black Holes, or a new universe with a Porthole from ours-which as I predicted on my blogsite, was recently discovered. I may have aluded to it here on a diary as well.

But the democrats are not off the hook either as I relate in my latest article. They were probably against any form of authoritarianism and felt that freedom was paramount. In this they were proabbaly right in the short run, but I doubt that they ever for even a momonetbelieved that creatures such a Cheney and Bush could exist in our nation. Being too trusting is naive' and it proved to be our downfall, the problem is the vast arvarice which infects even most of the democrats. It is sad, but is the fault of organized religion. Regardless of what a person's religion is, or even if they have none, studying them all is bound to fill the mind and soul with ideas and ina most religions there is a passage like Jesus' Rejection of The Temptation in The Wilderness. Avarice is, in the eyes of God, the prophets and Jesus, a far worse evil than any other and yet the church focused upon human sexuality and is now being bit on the ass by that decision, which wrecked the lives of billions of souls.

I truly beleive that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were inspired by God through men of enlightenment, of which there are so few these days, and are therefore, are every bit as sacred a set of documents as any ever conceived including the bible.

by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1216 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 7:08:27 AM
 


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Thomas Bonsell is a former newspaper editor (in Oregon, New York and Colorado) United States Air Force cryptanalyst and National Security Agency intelligence agent. He became one of American journalism's leading constitutional experts through years of study at Georgetown University Graduate School of Government in Washington, D.C., and tries (without much success) to be patient with people who argue endlessly on su...

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NO OVERSIGHT????

That the Founders saw fit to include treason as a crime in the Constitution, but not subversion, may not be the oversight many think, but was in fact a conscious effort not to get into the habit of a nation destroying its past leaders. So Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon may have been an exercise of that doctrine, even though Nixon deserved the wrath of the law as much as any man.

Destroying previous leaders has been the norm since Adam left Eden and our new approach was not to go down that path.

The Founders were also very cognizant of the 1610 Dr. Bonham case in England in which Sir Edward Coke explained that any law contrary to the constitution (which Great Britain didn't have in writing) was to be null and void, and expected this principle to be the protection against anyone trying to destroy our Constitution. It wasn't an oversight by the Founders, only a naive assumption that future generations would be as enlightened as they.

The statement about Godel by Michael Collins that ("The one concept I've remembered since then is that any system has an internal contradiction that invaludates the system's consistency. There is no perfectly consistent system.") is similar to the Hagel's philosophy of dialectics, which Karl Marx used as a basis of his new society. So it appears we aren't very different in political philosophy after all.

by tabonsell (28 articles, 0 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 246 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 5:07:24 PM
 


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Godel's Flaw

Godel's Flaw


Prof. Pete:

Although I cannot source it at the moment, I have, in the last year or two,

learned what flaw it was that Kurt Godel detected in the Constitution.

It is as follows: although there are clear limits and procedures governing

how a new Amendment to the Constitution shall be adopted, there is no

limit of any kind on what the amendment can say. It is possible, at least in

principle, to pass an amendment which says "Henceforth all other Articles

of the Constitution are null and void, all hail King George," and if done in the prescribed way it would be perfectly valid.

This is not how we have arrived at a dictatorship under the neocons,

however. The present sad state of affairs happened not because of flaws

in the Constitution, but rather from flaccid enforcement of it, abetted by

damn near everyone.

by Tom Buckner (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 9:12:11 PM
 


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Professor Emeritus Peter BagnoloProfessor Bagnolo is a Renaissance man: Cultural Anthropologist, Architectural designer, painter, writer, novelist, theologian. As a child prodigy, abed with polio for almost two years, with an off the charts IQ, reading at the graduate level by 5th grade, offered an opportunity to skip three grades at age 8.Later He was a recipient of an Art Institute scholarship at age 11, a Ford Foundation Fellowship in Anthropology and in Painting and a merit scholarship in art, and was appointed a Graduate ...

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In Fact

In fact sir, you have hit on the heart of what I have been saying in reverse, that we needed an amendment which makes anathema that very amendment. The crime needs be attended by a penalty which is fitting and proper. the stripping of all wealth above a modicum the loss of citizenship, and the caveat of living here as a guest under tight rules

I don't know about you-all but I am for an amendment which outlaws private security firms completely and instead through creative taxation, through a huge tax levy and salary limit at $500,000 on any firm which outsources labor overseas unless it pays standard USA union wages and SS/Medicare and hospitalization to those overseas. The taxes would fund health care for all and increased bugets for public security through local police, which firms and individuals can hire for their private security needs.

Thanks for reading, thanks for writing.

Pete

by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1216 comments) on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 9:01:58 AM
 

 

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