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December 9, 2007 at 09:45:43

Gödel's Unsung Discovery©

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If you want the keys to the above kingdom of knowledge, try this link.

Moreover, if you wish to watch an old film about the Prescott Bush attempt to overthrow Democracy, watch The Keeper of The Flame with Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn, try this link.



Some people believe that James Forrestal Secretary of the Navy under FDR and Truman was the man behind the invisible "martyr" of the film, Robert Forrest. The film was made in 1942 when Forrestal was just beginning his career which led to his becoming Secretary of The Navy and the news about his allegedly being a Nazi sympathizer did not arise until 1948-1949, well after the making of the film. The film was really, allegedly about Prescott Bush and the news about his bank's Trading with the Enemy, in violation of the law, was already out. Bush was still living, so the name of Forrest was deemed safer, at the time, since the Democrats had seen fit not to prosecute him-another huge mistake by that party of weaklings, which only had a brief moment in the Sun under FDR.

Is it not interesting how the Bushites and their insane Blasphemers and the pope who never quite seems able to outgrow his attachment to fascism, none of which truly believe in the God which two of the smartest men who ever lived did, how they instead try to twist Jesus into a Mars-God of War, in defiance of the previous pope who cowed and shamed Bush for his attack on Iraq?

How unlike the previous pope is the present one-that pope who castigated Bush publicly on TV in Rome for the brutal attack on a nation one-twelfth the size of the US, and which lacked air force and navy. Watch the video of it, and see Bush beside himself in fear of the God who inspired the pope THAT Day. See Bush clinging, like the coward who went AWOL when faced with combat possibilities, clutching desperately, the hand of his wife, and sitting, vulnerable, uncomfortable, as he sent men and boys, women and girls, off to die and be maimed and to kill and maim other human being made by God, who saw no reason to kill them Himself, a thing He, who made the universe is perfectly capable of doing should it need be done with no need of puny human help-God needs no assistance from us. That day, Bush became painfully aware of the cosmic reality of his deeds-the Enlightened could see it in his eyes and body language-find a video of it and watch it.

The thing the Bushites fear the most-is the death to which they have already sentenced, millions, appear to be ready to, and will sentence millions more. They fear death for two distinct reasons. The first, because they know once they are out of reach of men, they are within reach of God...and Hell. The other because they try to pretend there is the sort of god who reflects their evil, avoiding embracing the truth about the Almighty. In essense their belief, because it is in a faux god-a god of their own creation, is also false, that makes them fearful atheists, and that makes them fear death all the more.

One wonders why the Bushites simply didn't respect the people of this nation enough to come to them in 2001 and say, "Hey, look they have the oil and they are sucking us dry over it. I'd like to attack them with minimal use of force, take it away from them and give them a share of the oil under our supervision and then deal honestly with our energy needs and those of the rest of the world. What do you voters think about that? Shall we attack and take the oil with as minimal a spilling of blood as possible?"

Instead, not only did they lie but also they wasted tens of billions of dollars filling the pockets of their cronies with No-Bid Contracts and more and creating the many-headed Hydra again.

Their reaction once in office, was a passion of anger, a vicious vengeance against the middle and lower classes. Once in power, they went after every institution and business and charity and governmental agency that protected the needs of the majority of the American people, looting the treasury of the moderately and narrowly profitable many, who pay the vast majority of America's bills and costs, for the benefit of filling the storehouses and banks of, the immodestly and wealthiest few, who pay an inordinately small share of the cost of making America function.

They acted as only Satan could/would act once free of the bonds of death and the chains of hell. Once set free, once again given temporal power, he lashed out in every direction, frantically and vituperatively against all that is sacred, all that is sacrosanct, all the is holy and good. He even got his old friend dressed in the garb, the gowns of holy men, to assist him in getting the husk he possessed into power.

If we were to strip that 4% which are the wealthiest people in America of their fortunes, most of which wealth was gained through insider contracts, no-bid contracts, insider trading, and outright robbery, the nation would not even flinch or have a momentary hitch in its stride. No one but the ones stripped of their ill gained wealth would notice an iota of difference in the functionality of the nation or its businesses.

<>There are among those who run the largest corporations in the world, no great skills, that are not in abundance in millions of others. They are not singularly gifted, uniquely irreplaceable men like Michelagnello, Thomas Jefferson, FDR or Babe Ruth, they are common men whose parental access to the corridors of power, or friendships, got them their jobs-jobs that most ordinary, people with common sense could do as well or better

Apparently, the Bushites read about Gödel's Unsung Discovery©, also. Either that, or their normal instinct to do the abnormal and despicable, rose, or rather, sunk into the cesspool, for the occasion. Now, rising out of the gunk, dripping with and wearing like badges of honor, globs and residue draining of vomit, urine, feces, phlegm, pustules and tainted blood, unspent drugs of every nature and worse, we have the Neo-cons.

The Bushites self-afflicted, self-endorsement and application to society of their every negative thought, their disrespect of any and all, intellectual, spiritual, empathetic, community spirit, their hypocritical fascistic embracement of the concepts which Jesus, Christianity and God found untenable, and their application to those entities of Blasphemous un-virtues, is ever-so telling of their true nature of Daemons, Demoniacs, mass murderers, racist and theologically genocidal duplicitous, onerous and bellicose, un-philosophies, are deficient, soul boggling, and lacking in the recognition of their own most imminent, immanent, denouement.

The erroneous fabrication of an alien god-a demoniac-god at that, is consistent with their hubristic creation of a further fabrication, that being a capricious, canard, of self-deception and philosophical, Onanism -- their despicable ideals and business plans, which are the apex of selfishness and petty, nihilistic Hitlerism, which are the deceptive fantasies that they are unique in the recognition, acquisition and creation of wealth building based on their ideas.

In this they ignore that even those of limited, and in fact, retarded intellectual skills, with the brain-numbing, Standard Deviation of a garden, slug, also see and entertain the elevated fallacy of an elite nature to their degenerated confabulations. Never, not once, (in ego blocking darkness), do the Bushites hesitate and wonder, that most of the rest of the world fall prey to demonic thoughts, but REJECT them as brain feces, similar to what certain drugs do when they rape the human mind.

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A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.
W. Christopher Epler (Bill)A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.

paper chains aren't chains

Pete,

Another hurricane of fact supported insight.

OK, let me get this straight. You're saying something I too have been glimpsing about the Constitution. It's hard to articulate (and it may not be what Goedel had seen at all), but it's something like the constitution, with all its checks and balances is still ultimately utterly dependent on men of good will. There's no "magic" in a relatively perfect constitutional document, because its still only a "document" and for the pugs it's a document that has been changed into toilet paper.

It's the same thing with "laws". Laws don't mean ka ka unless the people concerned AGREE to be lawful. We like to pretend "as if" laws and constitutions have a kind of "independent power" separate from the souls of each of us, and therefore, they become as it were the boundaries and paramenters of civilization -- and lest we forget, the same is true of (woo! woo!) "Commandments"!

This is the vision and this is the prayer, but it's absolutely, absolutely meanless. If laws a constitutions have "peole controlling power", it's all by default. The evil ones are just too weak to trash the restraints and/or the good have to power to inforce the restraints, but ultimately laws and constitutions (and politics) are paper games (like company "mission statements") which have ZERO power over humanity.

The Goedel thing seems more slightly different since you are emphasizing the "subtly" of the checks and balances which can so easily be mangled by evil men and women. Also, our founding fathers were powerless to do anything about this variable because it transcends documents (however wise) and goes straight to the human heart (or lack of it).

Institutional whistling in the dark is still just institutionally whistling in the dark.

Looked at one way, this means the only alternative is power (Neitche comes to mind), but looked at another way it all comes down to "Christ Consciousness". The true, eternal (?) and ONLY ultimate field of conflict.

Am I close to the intuitions of your wonderful (as usual) piece?

peace, shalom, love, Bill

 

 

by W. Christopher Epler (Bill) (217 articles, 44 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 482 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 6:32:04 PM
 


Professor Bagnolo is a Renaissance man: Cultural Anthropologist, Architectural designer, painter, writer, novelist, theologian. As a child prodigy, abed with polio for almost two years, with an off the charts IQ, reading at the graduate level by 5th grade, offered an opportunity to skip three grades at age 8.Later He was a recipient of an Art Institute scholarship at age 11, a Ford Foundation Fellowship in Anthropology and in Painting and a merit scholarship in art, and was appointed a Graduate ...

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Professor Emeritus Peter BagnoloProfessor Bagnolo is a Renaissance man: Cultural Anthropologist, Architectural designer, painter, writer, novelist, theologian. As a child prodigy, abed with polio for almost two years, with an off the charts IQ, reading at the graduate level by 5th grade, offered an opportunity to skip three grades at age 8.Later He was a recipient of an Art Institute scholarship at age 11, a Ford Foundation Fellowship in Anthropology and in Painting and a merit scholarship in art, and was appointed a Graduate ...

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Bill

In a word, yes. It all comes down to soul, enlightenment, and conscience of which is appears from my next article neither party has much of.

I do not know what Gödel saw, but it all I saw was that there is no law, that would contain less than 1,000,000 pages of support and defense like a John Dominic Crossan Theology book, that can ever be free of error or intentional misinterpretation by men of evil or greedy intent. That is why there are judges and scholars and we still have troubles.

Men (and women, Sandy) of Good Will are all we ever need to approach perfection, but it shall never come here in this dimension, which is one of the evidences of eternal life-the thing which Gödel proved scientifically to Einstein, and which I like, St. Paul have experienced and can say from that experience, this is not where it is at, this is the material testing ground and the Majesterium is Farking wrong about a good deal, including who are the prophets, about human sexuality, and about right and wrong and about the nature of the after-life and reincarnation and more, so much more. Damned good thing there are at least 36 prophets or even the enlightened would be screwed over by the Organized Religions 

 

by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1310 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 7:28:20 PM
 


A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.
W. Christopher Epler (Bill)A liberal American, PhD mathematician, bipedal Earthling.

36 has a lot of factors

36 has a lot of factors: 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 12, 18, and 36

no prime number this 

hmmm

Bill

by W. Christopher Epler (Bill) (217 articles, 44 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 482 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 8:40:21 PM
 


Michael Collins is a writer who focuses on clean elections and voting rights. See this summary of his articles plus Election 2004: The Urban Legend and groundbreaking research and commentary in "" His web site, Election Fraud News & The Money Party, offers a collection of resources and commentary on critical issues facing the country.
Michael CollinsMichael Collins is a writer who focuses on clean elections and voting rights. See this summary of his articles plus Election 2004: The Urban Legend and groundbreaking research and commentary in "" His web site, Election Fraud News & The Money Party, offers a collection of resources and commentary on critical issues facing the country.

OK, I'm hooked.

I remember studying Godel in college in a course that focused on Wittgenstein. The one concept I've remembered since then is that any system has an internal contradiction that invaludates the system's consistency. There is no perfectly consistent system.

Maybe what he saw was a doccument that set up a government with one key element absent - there is no clearly defined punishment for trying to destroy the system, i.e. the Constitution. Hence, the Bush connection. Why didn't Congress prosecute? I don't know but they didn't. I've been aware of this for some time.  Had the Constitution contained a clear injunction against those who actively attempted to destroy it, the Congress would have had no choice.  (The BBC elaboration is great but this is a) not discussed in public and b) rarely taught in school, at any level.)

A variation of this is that the document was infected by a tragic virus, one related to property. The document is, after all, focused on individual not collective rights. Therefore, the fatal flaw, was the absense of a protection against trying to destroy the Constitution itself. Ironic, isn't it.

The tragic virus was, without any dought, the wealth of the framers. There was a disproportionate amount of wealth in the South due to slavery, human bondage. This would account for the failure to protect the nation as a whole because, as each and every framer knew, their wealtlh would eventually be undone, denied them. Their inability to reconcile this fear of lost wealth with the need to protect the Constitution in an ultimate form and for the benefit of the governing document. This inadequacy allowed people of great wealth to attack the governing document with impugnity.

These are just thoughts at this point. Quite an article. I'll check outthe web site.

 

 

by Michael Collins (89 articles, 13 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 329 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 1:22:41 AM
 


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Professor Emeritus Peter BagnoloProfessor Bagnolo is a Renaissance man: Cultural Anthropologist, Architectural designer, painter, writer, novelist, theologian. As a child prodigy, abed with polio for almost two years, with an off the charts IQ, reading at the graduate level by 5th grade, offered an opportunity to skip three grades at age 8.Later He was a recipient of an Art Institute scholarship at age 11, a Ford Foundation Fellowship in Anthropology and in Painting and a merit scholarship in art, and was appointed a Graduate ...

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Good points Mike

I felt since high school that there should have been a severe punishment for even mentioning or discussing laws which interfere with the direction of the Constitution. You are correct, it should have been sacrosanct from the beginning with sharp laws to protect it and the Bill of Rights. However, I believe that at the time, and in that milieu, the Founding Fathers felt that all men who supported them were good and true and they wanted a flexible document which could be improved. I think they also felt that, as I said in the article, that the delicate balance of the 3 realms of power should remain fluid, with amendments to be added. It probably never occurred to them that a satanic power would infest the White House, after all such concepts are as mysterious as are the quantum, or Black Holes, or a new universe with a Porthole from ours-which as I predicted on my blogsite, was recently discovered. I may have aluded to it here on a diary as well.

But the democrats are not off the hook either as I relate in my latest article. They were probably against any form of authoritarianism and felt that freedom was paramount. In this they were proabbaly right in the short run, but I doubt that they ever for even a momonetbelieved that creatures such a Cheney and Bush could exist in our nation. Being too trusting is naive' and it proved to be our downfall, the problem is the vast arvarice which infects even most of the democrats. It is sad, but is the fault of organized religion. Regardless of what a person's religion is, or even if they have none, studying them all is bound to fill the mind and soul with ideas and ina most religions there is a passage like Jesus' Rejection of The Temptation in The Wilderness. Avarice is, in the eyes of God, the prophets and Jesus, a far worse evil than any other and yet the church focused upon human sexuality and is now being bit on the ass by that decision, which wrecked the lives of billions of souls.

I truly beleive that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were inspired by God through men of enlightenment, of which there are so few these days, and are therefore, are every bit as sacred a set of documents as any ever conceived including the bible.

by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1310 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 7:08:27 AM
 


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Thomas Bonsell is a former newspaper editor (in Oregon, New York and Colorado) United States Air Force cryptanalyst and National Security Agency intelligence agent. He became one of American journalism's leading constitutional experts through years of study at Georgetown University Graduate School of Government in Washington, D.C., and tries (without much success) to be patient with people who argue endlessly on su...

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NO OVERSIGHT????

That the Founders saw fit to include treason as a crime in the Constitution, but not subversion, may not be the oversight many think, but was in fact a conscious effort not to get into the habit of a nation destroying its past leaders. So Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon may have been an exercise of that doctrine, even though Nixon deserved the wrath of the law as much as any man.

Destroying previous leaders has been the norm since Adam left Eden and our new approach was not to go down that path.

The Founders were also very cognizant of the 1610 Dr. Bonham case in England in which Sir Edward Coke explained that any law contrary to the constitution (which Great Britain didn't have in writing) was to be null and void, and expected this principle to be the protection against anyone trying to destroy our Constitution. It wasn't an oversight by the Founders, only a naive assumption that future generations would be as enlightened as they.

The statement about Godel by Michael Collins that ("The one concept I've remembered since then is that any system has an internal contradiction that invaludates the system's consistency. There is no perfectly consistent system.") is similar to the Hagel's philosophy of dialectics, which Karl Marx used as a basis of his new society. So it appears we aren't very different in political philosophy after all.

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Godel's Flaw

Godel's Flaw


Prof. Pete:

Although I cannot source it at the moment, I have, in the last year or two,

learned what flaw it was that Kurt Godel detected in the Constitution.

It is as follows: although there are clear limits and procedures governing

how a new Amendment to the Constitution shall be adopted, there is no

limit of any kind on what the amendment can say. It is possible, at least in

principle, to pass an amendment which says "Henceforth all other Articles

of the Constitution are null and void, all hail King George," and if done in the prescribed way it would be perfectly valid.

This is not how we have arrived at a dictatorship under the neocons,

however. The present sad state of affairs happened not because of flaws

in the Constitution, but rather from flaccid enforcement of it, abetted by

damn near everyone.

by Tom Buckner (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 9:12:11 PM
 


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Professor Emeritus Peter BagnoloProfessor Bagnolo is a Renaissance man: Cultural Anthropologist, Architectural designer, painter, writer, novelist, theologian. As a child prodigy, abed with polio for almost two years, with an off the charts IQ, reading at the graduate level by 5th grade, offered an opportunity to skip three grades at age 8.Later He was a recipient of an Art Institute scholarship at age 11, a Ford Foundation Fellowship in Anthropology and in Painting and a merit scholarship in art, and was appointed a Graduate ...

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In Fact

In fact sir, you have hit on the heart of what I have been saying in reverse, that we needed an amendment which makes anathema that very amendment. The crime needs be attended by a penalty which is fitting and proper. the stripping of all wealth above a modicum the loss of citizenship, and the caveat of living here as a guest under tight rules

I don't know about you-all but I am for an amendment which outlaws private security firms completely and instead through creative taxation, through a huge tax levy and salary limit at $500,000 on any firm which outsources labor overseas unless it pays standard USA union wages and SS/Medicare and hospitalization to those overseas. The taxes would fund health care for all and increased bugets for public security through local police, which firms and individuals can hire for their private security needs.

Thanks for reading, thanks for writing.

Pete

by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1310 comments) on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 9:01:58 AM
 

 

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