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November 9, 2007 at 11:05:29

Headlined on 11/9/07:
The Neoconservative Agenda to Sacrifice the Fifth Fleet – The New Pearl Harbor

by Michael Salla, Ph.D.     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

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The Bush administation has covered up and ignored dissenting Pentagon war games analysis that suggests an attack on Iran’s nuclear or military facilities will lead directly to the annihilation of the Navy’s Fifth Fleet now stationed in the Persian Gulf.  Lt. General Paul Van Riper led a hypothetical Persian Gulf state in the 2002 Millennium Challenge wargames that resulted in the destruction of the Fifth Fleet. His experience and conclusions regarding the vulnerability of the Fifth Fleet to an assymetrical military conflict and the implications for a war against Iran have been ignored. Neoconservatives within the Bush administration are currently aggressively promoting a range of military actions against Iran that will culminate in it attacking the US Navy’s Fifth Fleet with sophisticated cruise anti-ship missiles. They are ignoring Van Riper’s experiences in the Millennium Challenge and how it applies to the current nuclear conflict with Iran.

Iran has sufficient quantities of cruise missiles to destroy much or all of the Fifth Fleet which is within range of Iran’s mobile missile launchers strategically located along its mountainous terrain overlooking the Persian Gulf. The Bush administration is deliberately downplaying the vulnerability of the Fifth Fleet to Iran’s advanced missile technology which has been purchased from Russia and China since the late 1990’s. The most sophisticated of Iran’s cruise missiles are the ‘Sunburn’ and ‘Yakhonts’. These are missiles against which U.S. military experts conclude modern warships have no effective defense. By deliberately provoking an Iranian retaliation to U.S. military actions, the neoconservatives will knowingly sacrifice much or all of the Fifth Fleet. This will culminate in a new Pearl Harbor that will create the right political environment for total war against Iran, and expanded military actions in the Persian Gulf region.

The Fifth Fleet’s Vulnerability to Iran’s Anti-Ship Missile Arsenal

The U.S. Navy Fifth Fleet is headquartered in the Gulf State of Bahrain which is responsible for patrolling the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea, Suez Canal and parts of the Indian Ocean. The Fifth Fleet currently comprises a carrier group and two helicopter carrier ships. Its size peaked at five aircraft carrier groups and six helicopter carriers in 2003 during the invasion of Iraq. Presently, it is led by the USS Enterprise (CVN-65), the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier commissioned in 1961, and on November 2, began participating in a Naval exercise in the Persian Gulf .

The Fifth Fleet’s base in Bahrain, is only 150 miles away from the Iranian coast, and would itself be in range of Iran’s new generation of anti-ship cruise missiles. Also, any Naval ships in the confined terrain of the Persian Gulf would have difficulty in maneuvering and would be within range of Iran’s rugged coastline which extends all along the Persian Gulf to the Arabian sea.

Iran began purchasing advanced military technology from Russia soon after the latter pulled out in 2000 from the Gore-Chernomyrdin Protocol, which limited Russia’s sales of military equipment to Iran.  . Russia subsequently began selling Iran military technology that could be used in any military conflict with the U.S. This included air defense systems and anti-ship cruise missiles in which Russia specialized to offset the U.S. large naval superiority

The SS-N-22  or ‘Sunburn” has a speed of Mach 2.5 or 1500 miles an hour, uses stealth technology and has a range up to 130 miles. It contains a conventional warhead of 750 lbs that can destroy most ships. Of even greater concern is Russia’s SSN-X-26 or ‘Yakhonts’ cruise missile which has a range of 185 miles which makes all US Navy ships in the Persian Gulf vulnerable to attack. More importantly the Yakhonts has been specifically developed for use against Carrier groups, and has been sold by Russia on the international arms trade.

Both the Yakhonts and the Sunburn missiles are designed to defeat the Aegis radar defense currently used on U.S. Navy ships by using stealth technology and low ground hugging flying maneuvers. In their final approaches these missiles take evasive maneuvers to defeat anti-ship missile defenses. So great is the threat posed by the Sunburn, Yakhonts and other advanced anti-ship missiles being developed by Russia and sold to China, Iran and other countries, that the Pentagon’s weapons testing office in 2007 moved to halt production on further aircraft carriers until an effective defense was developed. Iran has purchased sufficient quantities of both the Sunbeam and Yakhonts to destroy much or all of the Fifth Fleet anywhere in the Persian Gulf from its mountainous coastal terrain.

Millennium Challenge Wargames

The “Millennium Challenge” was one of the largest wargames ever conducted and wargames involved 13,500 troops spread out at over 17 locations. The wargames involved heavy usage of computer simulations, extended over a three week period and cost $250 million.   Millennium Challenge involved asymmetrical warfare between the U.S military forces, led by General William Kernan, and an unnamed state in the Persian Gulf. According to General Kernan, the wargames “would test a series of new war-fighting concepts recently developed by the Pentagon.”  Using a range of asymmetrical attack strategies using disguised civilian boats for launching attacks, planes in Kamikaze attacks, and Silkworm cruise missiles, much of the Fifth Fleet was sunk. The games revealed how asymmetrical strategies could exploit the Fifth Fleet’s vulnerability against anti-ship cruise missiles in the confined waters of the Persian Gulf.

In a controversial decision, the Pentagon decided to simply ‘refloat’ the Fifth Fleet to continue the exercise which led to the eventual defeat of the Persian Gulf state. The sinking of the Fifth Fleet was ignored and the wargames declared a success for the “new war-fighting concepts” adopted by Gen. Kernan. This led to Lt General Paul Van Riper, the commander of the mythical Gulf State, calling the official results “empty sloganeering”. In a later television interview, General Riper declared “when the concepts that the command was testing failed to live up to their expectations, the command at that point began to script the exercise in order to prove these concepts. This was my critical complaint.”

Most significant was General Riper’s claims of the effectiveness of the older Cruise missile technology, the Silkworm missile which were used to sink an aircraft carrier and two helicopter-carriers loaded with marines in the total of 16 ships sunk. When asked to confirm Riper’s claims, General Kernar replied: “Well, I don’t know. To be honest with you. I haven’t had an opportunity to assess what happened. But that’s a possibility… The specifics of the cruise-missile piece… I really can’t answer that question. We’ll have to get back to you” 

The Millennium Challenge wargames clearly demonstrated the vulnerability of the US Fifth Fleet to Silkworm cruise missile attacks. This replicated the experience of the British during the 1980 Falklands war where two ships were sunk by three Exocet missiles. Both the Exocet and Silkworm cruise missiles were an older generation of anti-ship missile technology that were far surpassed by the Sunburn and Yakhonts missiles. If the Millennium Challenge was a guide to an asymmetrical war with Iran, much of the U.S Fifth Fleet would be destroyed. It is not surprising Millennium Challenge was eventually scripted so that this embarrassing fact was hidden. To date, there has been little public awareness of the vulnerability of the US Fifth Fleet while stationed in the Persian Gulf. It appears that the Bush administration had scripted an outcome to the wargames that would promote its neoconservative agenda for the Middle East.

The Neo-Conservative Strategy to Attack Iran

Neoconservatives share a political philosophy that US dominance of the international system as the world’s sole superpower needs to be extended indefinitely into the 21st century. In early 2006 neoconservatives within the Bush administration began vigorously promoting a new war against Iran due to the alleged threat posed by its nuclear development program. Iran has consistently maintained that its nuclear development is lawful and in compliance with the Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT). Since 2004, The Bush administration has been citing intelligence data that Iran is secretly developing nuclear weapons and must under no circumstances be allowed to do this.

Much of Iran’s nuclear development has occurred in underground facilities built at a depth of 70 feet with hardened concrete overhead that protect them from any known conventional attack. This led to the Bush administration arguing in early 2006 that tactical nuclear weapons would need to be used to take out Iran’s nuclear facilities.  This culminated in a fierce debate between leading neo-conservatives such as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, with the Joint Chiefs of Staff which remained adamantly opposed. Seymour Hersh in May 2006, reported the opposition of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.'

Subsequent efforts by the neo-conservatives to justify a conventional military attack have been handicapped by widespread public skepticism by the threat posed by Iran’s nuclear program, and Iran’s compliance with the Nonproliferation Treaty according to Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the IAEA. ElBaradei cites U.S. military assessments that Iran is a few years away from developing weapons grade nuclear fuel that could be used for nuclear weapons. The Bush administration, frustrated by the determined opposition both within the U.S bureaucracy, military and the international community to its plans has adopted a three pronged track strategy for its goal of ‘taking out’ Iran.

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Dr. Michael Salla is an internationally recognized scholar in international politics, conflict resolution, US foreign policy and the new field of 'exopolitics'. He is author/editor of five books; and held academic appointments in the School of International Service& the Center for Global Peace, American University, Washington DC (1996-2004); the Department of Political Science, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia (1994-96); and the Elliott School of International Affairs, George Washington University, Washington D.C., (2002). He has a Ph.D in Government from the University of Queensland, Australia, and an M.A. in Philosophy from the University of Melbourne, Australia. He has conducted research and fieldwork in the ethnic conflicts in East Timor, Kosovo, Macedonia, and Sri Lanka, and organized peacemaking initiatives involving mid to high level participants from these conflicts.

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Student of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.
Mac McKinneyStudent of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.

Psychotics at Work

When is it going to sink into the masses that psychotics are running our foreign policy, Jason, Freddie Kruger and Colonel Kurtz all rolled into one. It is only a matter of time before Americans start dying in mass from these pigs, either in their wars or because they have turned their guns, bombs and dogs on us too.

by Mac McKinney (42 articles, 69 quicklinks, 164 diaries, 1064 comments) on Friday, November 9, 2007 at 1:47:05 PM
 


Charlie Levenson is a writer and activist in Portland, Oregon. In addition to serving as the Manager of Electronic Communications for a social/athletic club in Portland, he instructs in Digital Media at Portland State University, consults on communications strategy, and occasionally writes/directs videos.
Charlie LCharlie Levenson is a writer and activist in Portland, Oregon. In addition to serving as the Manager of Electronic Communications for a social/athletic club in Portland, he instructs in Digital Media at Portland State University, consults on communications strategy, and occasionally writes/directs videos.

Sinking in.

It will begin to sink in when it begins to impact Americans at home.

Let's face it...  Americans don't give a darn about Iraquis or even about our guys and gals in the military when they are OVER THERE.  But, when the price of Gas goes to $5 or they lose their job or their kid gets drafted, THEN, they will notice.

It has to get a WHOLE LOT WORSE before the forces of humanity will band together to make it better.

by Charlie L (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 676 comments) on Friday, November 9, 2007 at 5:39:49 PM
 


'The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.' Thomas Jefferson 1787
Munich'The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.' Thomas Jefferson 1787

Re: The Neoconservative Agenda to Sacrifice the Fifth Fleet

Charlie:

That's even if there's any gasoline available! You're right, at which point the American people won't be able to afford the $5-$6 a gal and it'll impact those who haven't been paying close attention to the madness. That's when the crap hit's the fan. If there's no gas, there's no travel. It'll make the 74' gas crisis look like a walk in the park.

As a friend stated to me the other day, perhaps this is what'll take to awaken the credulous Americans in this country. It'll get real ugly, fast. 

by Munich (0 articles, 67 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 831 comments) on Friday, November 9, 2007 at 10:25:08 PM
 


America is in big trouble. The power of drums, meditation and to hell with the status quo. Make your own life. Imagination is key. But stay aware.
SenjoAmerica is in big trouble. The power of drums, meditation and to hell with the status quo. Make your own life. Imagination is key. But stay aware.

CHARLIE L

Great post Charlie. I think the key word here is still "better". He gets it, Hey Mikey!
 
Peace 

by Senjo (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 16 comments) on Friday, November 9, 2007 at 10:15:29 PM
 


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Tim Riley is a father, husband, technical writer, and internet news hound avidly interested in progressive politics, environmentalism, social justice, and playing with his two children.

Tim Riley* * * * *

Tim Riley is a father, husband, technical writer, and internet news hound avidly interested in progressive politics, environmentalism, social justice, and playing with his two children.

Hold Cheney accountable! Help motivate Judiciary Committee.

Excellent article. Great summary of the major crisis we face today.  We stand on the brink of war yet again, with all the pieces in place for a false flag terror attack, another Pearl Harbor event, martial law, and power consolidation at the expense of the Constitutional rule of law, billions of dollars, and countless dead, drowned, and nuked into oblivion. 

Don't listen to the cynics who say we can do nothing.  Don't demotivate yourself with moaning and complaints about the unresponsive or complicit Democratic leadership [sic].  Exert political pressure.  You might be surprised to learn that many representatives do listen, and they may even want to act in the way that you will suggest, but as politicians many of them fear getting ahead of conventional wisdom. Yeah, ok that doesn't exactly scream out "fearless leadership", but it is a political reality and they must see the groundswell to feel as if they can safely take action.  They do respond to real pressure and popular support.  You just need to direct your efforts so that they see and hear you.  You are the key to change. Let's be the change that we wish to see. We can motivate them to take action.

Call, write physical letters, e-mail, fax, and speak with House Judiciary Committee members and their staff to quickly address House Resolution 799 (formerly numbered HR 333) - Impeaching Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.

http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm

Here is an excellent resource (Thank you David Swanson and AfterDowningStreet) for composing letters to pressure the House Judiciary Committee: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/cheney  

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/judiciarycommittee

Dick Cheney must be impeached and removed from office.  He is the prime instigator, deceiver, and the original war monger.  Much could be accomplished by dragging his office through impeachment proceedings and occupying them with politically defensive measures.  Putting the Veep creeps on the defensive can potentially derail any false flag terror event and stop them from publicly pushing for war with Iran.  Cheney won't be able to soften up the press with more lies, spun to manufacture consent for more war.

We can't let these guys sacrifice our ships and sailors in the Persian Gulf just so they can create another scapegoat bogeyman.  

Don't sit back and let somebody else do your work to save Constitutional rule.  Sit up straight and get some strength and discipline in your own backbone instead of kevetching about the Democratic leadership.  Protect America from the Neo-con threats to world and democracy.  Make your voice heard.  

Contact members of the House Judiciary today.  http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/judiciarycommittee

by Tim Riley (7 articles, 5 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 130 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 4:07:08 AM
 


Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."
John Sanchez Jr.Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."

The former last superpower

Neoconservatives are intent on the object of extending the hegemony of the last superpower around the world. What seems to be the great disconnect for them is that the policies they espouse to execute their committment in concert with their military/industrial economic policies are quickly reducing the last superpower to the one-time last superpower.

One is free to argue the relative merits of our being considered a superpower or not, but the neocons are quickly rendering any such arguments moot.

by John Sanchez Jr. (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 1172 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 8:58:06 AM
 


Student of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.
Mac McKinneyStudent of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.

Superpower Means Super Ego

Embracing the concept of being a Superpower means going on a super ego trip, attaching far too much importance to the collective ego than is healthy or wise, and guaranteeing a hostile reaction from the rest of the universe, which is not amused with being told it is inferior, and will work overtime to cut the braggart down to size on the Karmic level.

But worse than that, this is embracing a delusion, the delusion that there are separate egos in an alienated universe, instead of one Greater Being in a connected universe. Clinging to ego is the cause of all suffering, the Buddha has said, so enshrining and worshipping collective ego is even worse. Now the problem is magnified exponentially, and so is the suffering. America will suffer much before we all wake up to our common humanity.

by Mac McKinney (42 articles, 69 quicklinks, 164 diaries, 1064 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 9:36:31 AM
 


Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."
John Sanchez Jr.Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."

On an ex-superpower

Your point is well taken. Perhaps, we can suppose that in a moment of weakness, the neocons did something that may benefit us in the long run. Or perhaps, they understood that it would eventually benefit the nation generally, but went ahead with their plans because of all the mayhem they could create and profits they could steal until that benificent future arrived.

by John Sanchez Jr. (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 1172 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 12:08:50 PM
 


Karen Fish is a writer currently living in Los Angeles California. The Temple of Love - The World Peace Religion makes peace among and unites Christianity Islam Judaism and Everyone else and the Countries they all live in as the first step towards world peace, by tying everyone together with their common threads and resolving all of their differences once and for all.
Karen FishKaren Fish is a writer currently living in Los Angeles California. The Temple of Love - The World Peace Religion makes peace among and unites Christianity Islam Judaism and Everyone else and the Countries they all live in as the first step towards world peace, by tying everyone together with their common threads and resolving all of their differences once and for all.

One Solution

Why doesn't the Navy just pull the ships back 200 miles out of the range of the missiles? Does the U.S. want another Pearl Harbor to justify an all out attempt to conquer two thirds of the world's oil with weapons of mass destrucion so that the U.S. can hasten the burning of the oil in their SUV's to bring about extinction by nuclear world war 3 and by global warming faster to hasten the arrival of Jesus?  

by Karen Fish (55 articles, 13 quicklinks, 32 diaries, 60 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 9:41:51 AM
 


Student of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.
Mac McKinneyStudent of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.

Not Far Off

You are not too far off here. There is a general alienation from and contempt for life and the Earth itself among the lunatic Right. It is a giant death and fear cult really, and rather than deal with their delusions and negativity, they posit an alternate creation to escape to.

by Mac McKinney (42 articles, 69 quicklinks, 164 diaries, 1064 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 10:27:37 AM
 


Student of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.
Mac McKinneyStudent of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.

Salla Not Really Saying This

Salla is saying the propagandists will paint this as another Pearl Harbor moment, not that it really would be a literal Pearl Harbor. They will try to enflame and channel emotions into outrage, just as was done when four Blackwater employees wandered into Fallujah and were executed. No matter the circumstances, the Fox-led media will try to depict it as an outrage on our forces that has to be avenged.

by Mac McKinney (42 articles, 69 quicklinks, 164 diaries, 1064 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 10:41:28 AM
 


I am an old teacher who believes that if you are nice to people you make their life and your own much better.
vidiotI am an old teacher who believes that if you are nice to people you make their life and your own much better.

It makes a perverse sense

I have wondered why we have our fleet in the Persian Gulf like that.  We saw during the Falklands Island War what aircraft with missles can do to ships, and the Iranians would have no problem in closing of the Straits of Hermoz.  Then it would be like shooting proverbial fish in a proverbial barrell.  I am not a military person and don't know a lot about this kind of thing, but I was in the Army for two years and was astonished at how stupid and arrogant the officer corps could often be.  I think that in this particular case, that it is instead stupid politicians who are in charge of the Seventh Cavalry.  This policy is so stupid, so wrong and has gone on so long that even given military stupidity it is hard to explain.  I think that Mr. Salla has finally come up with a plausable theory. 

 

by vidiot (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 221 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 10:29:39 AM
 


I am an old teacher who believes that if you are nice to people you make their life and your own much better.
vidiotI am an old teacher who believes that if you are nice to people you make their life and your own much better.

It makes a perverse sense

I have wondered why we have our fleet in the Persian Gulf like that.  We saw during the Falklands Island War what aircraft with missles can do to ships, and the Iranians would have no problem in closing of the Straits of Hermoz.  Then it would be like shooting proverbial fish in a proverbial barrell.  I am not a military person and don't know a lot about this kind of thing, but I was in the Army for two years and was astonished at how stupid and arrogant the officer corps could often be.  I think that in this particular case, that it is instead stupid politicians who are in charge of the Seventh Cavalry.  This policy is so stupid, so wrong and has gone on so long that even given military stupidity it is hard to explain.  I think that Mr. Salla has finally come up with a plausable theory. 

 

by vidiot (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 221 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 10:29:36 AM
 


The author lives in a small village in central Europe and has been active in the local workers movement for nearly 3 decades.

Globalism knows no borders, why should we ?

Tony ForestThe author lives in a small village in central Europe and has been active in the local workers movement for nearly 3 decades.

Globalism knows no borders, why should we ?

Hear ye hear ye

Well said, Michael. This is just how it works and how the militarists have been working for centuries. It's all so predictable. Sitting ducks, sent in for a purpose ; to sit and wait for the next false flag attack ; a reason to retaliate = an act of agression nullified by smoke and mirrors. 

"It has to get a WHOLE LOT WORSE before the forces of humanity will band together to make it better."

Chas hit it spot on to boot. May I add, the sleepwalking effect is not limited to US citizens. Nope. It's gone global.

by Tony Forest (6 articles, 15 quicklinks, 153 diaries, 1350 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 1:28:35 PM
 


A man of reason!
imanA man of reason!

May I Recommend...?

If you ever get a chance, please view the movie "Seven Days in May" from 1964. This is a thriller beyond imagination. Not only a spectacular all star cast, but great b&w cinematography & dramatic acting beyond compare! (Much, much better than the junk coming out today & I hope Hollywood forgoes another horrible remake on this one, too). I never thought after first seeing this movie 43 years ago that it would have as much siginifigance as it has today!

by iman (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 89 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 3:06:17 PM
 


10 year Navy veteran,former Federal employee with various agencies,
Gallaher10 year Navy veteran,former Federal employee with various agencies,

Gas $5.00

Gas will go to $5.00 a gallon without this mess in the Middle East. The scientific community has predicted this years ago. Gas will go to over $5.00 per gallon due to supply and consumption.

by Gallaher (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 608 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 10:45:02 PM
 


10 year Navy veteran,former Federal employee with various agencies,
Gallaher10 year Navy veteran,former Federal employee with various agencies,

Gas $5.00

Gas will go to $5.00 a gallon without this mess in the Middle East. The scientific community has predicted this years ago. Gas will go to over $5.00 per gallon due to supply and consumption.

by Gallaher (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 608 comments) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 at 10:45:06 PM
 


Retired from the rat-race and now, with time, see the reality of what the activity really was.
GeraldoRetired from the rat-race and now, with time, see the reality of what the activity really was.

Look -

Rather than letting the vermin sacrifice the fifth fleet in the interest of their pockets, wouldn't it make more sense for the fifth fleet and the rest of the world to sacrifice the White House and Congress and all their rodent infestation?

They have the means to do it - even from where they are.  All they have to do is push a button or two, and we can dust off our hands and America can shake out the rest of its pests, put its house in order and start again clean.

Is that alright with the rest of you clean Americans?  Agreed?

by Geraldo (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 105 comments) on Sunday, November 11, 2007 at 3:35:55 AM
 

 

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