Those pesky Moslems on their own territories are violent and we cannot ignore that because.. we are there! Our troops in Iraq are surrounded by those horrible Moslems who happen to live there. They all wear Moslem attire and that means that our 160000 troops are in terrible danger! So will be the about 20000 more troops which we will send. Even the fact that we killed about 650000 of them do not deter them. And do not forget Iranians and Turkish. Turks are traitors and they will certainly attack us from our derrier if we attack Iran, those Shia folks. Do not beleive the Turks when they say they want to enter the EU. That is a Moslem trick to undermine the European way of life. We should engage Albanians, though. Since we destroyed Serbia in our humanitarian mission and did not allow the Albanians to become Alabamians they sell the ammo to everyone from Kosovo. In fact, we protect them and they sell that ammo under our protection. Hey, come to think of it the US protected Chechnya too! We here in the US revived and financed the vahhabits and now the Chechens are primarily vahhabits. The Chechen reps live in England! I never trusted those English- they are all covert Hindus, just look at their Kipling. In Afghanistan our troops cannot perform their main function that is to protect the opium fields. Those pesky Talibans (no doubt financed by Turks, damned competitors) attack and kill them and they also burn the opium which prevents us from selling it here in the US and thus finance the war and Homeland Security! That's a global network of economic terrorism! No wonder Pakistanis are so corrupt- they play both hands since our Rep promised to bomb them to the Stone Age. Folks, I am telling you, we are surrounded! Watch the '24' more often! Read Mr. Carey's columns regularly. And that information will set you free! (the above is a paraphrase of the speech delivered by the Brave Soldier Joseph Schweik in the patriotic escapade)

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4102 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 11:30:41 AM

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One of our primary goals at Peace and Freedom is to reach out to different world factions, to try to provoke thought, discussion and understanding, and to take meaningful steps to get us past the current war against terrorist. Consequently, we do leave our normal neighborhood or "circle" quiet frequently and the benefits are manifest and many. We wanted to share with our readers two of the many of our recently received communications from Muslims relative to our search to better understand Islam. John E. Carey ************************* Dear John E. Carey; Thank you very for your email seeking my comments on your article. Actually, some two days ago I have read your article and found it very informative. I have been reading your articles in the johnib.wordpress.com regularly. I have also been placing your articles in my blog voiceforpeace.wordpress.com. Thank you very much. I am sorry for establishing contacts with you after long time, but actually I was sick. Nowadays I have been feeling uneasiness. I do not know why, but I am in great depression. Your article is very good, but one thing if you do not mind I shall recommend. Militants and terrorists are criminals. Neither they can be called Muslims nor Christians. A true Muslims or follower of another religion cannot be a terrorists or militants. All the religions teach us peace and harmony. Nowaday, the criminals have been using the name of Islam for achieving their ulterior motives. If we stop using the name of Muslim for the terrorists and criminals then we can control the terrorism. For example, there are criminals in Pakistan and tribal areas who have been using the name of Islam for their vested interests. They have been playing with inner feelings of youth of tribal areas. The professional religious leaders (mullahs) have been inciting the youth for violence in the name of Islam. These religious leaders mostly from Pakistan have been telling the youth of tribal areas to fight against Americans in Afghanistan. They have made religious as a tool for doing all wrong doings. In my opinion we should not look into the issue of terrorism religiously. All religions are against criminals and terrorists. The people of United States have won their fight against the professional religious leaders by sidelining them, but we have been controlled by the professional religious leaders. Please help us in our struggle against the professional religious leaders. You are right that everywhere Muslims are involved in terrorism and militancy. The people of Bajaur Agency, Tribal Areas valued greatly your struggle for the cause of your humanity. I have earlier told you that it is due to the people like you that this world still exists otherwise the professional religious leaders and politicians have left no stone unturned to destroy it. I want to bring in your kind notice that some professional religious leaders from Pakistan have been trying to install Taliban government in tribal areas. All the Taliban and al-Qaeda leaders have regrouping themselves in tribal areas. The corrupt officials from Pakistan who have been controlling the tribal areas have extending their full support to them. Please send an appeal from my side to the Senators and Congressmen to exert pressure on Pakistan to stop extension of support to Taliban and terrorists. The people of tribal areas will never forget your help in this regard. I will write a detail story about tribal areas for you in a day or two. For the time being bye and thanks.Thank you very much Yours Sincerely, Muhammad Khurshid Khar, Bajaur Agency,Tribal Areas Pakistan voiceforpeace.8m.com [EDITOR's NOTE: Many regular readers know that we fequently hear from Muhammad who lives in the Tribal Areas of Pakistan. We asked him to comment up the essay at the link, and, as usual, his insights are invaluable.] click here ************************* To Peace and Freedom: Its nice to see people actually looking at Islam and studying it for what it really is instead of forming an opinion after listening to Fox News and other such sources. I am a Muslim and I am sick of this terrorism as well. Suicide bombings occurred here, inPakistan, last week and several people were killed. The fact that these terrorists are going around killing other Muslims just proves how wrong they are but some people fail to look at that and blame the religion. Were there no Muslims working in WTC on Sept. 11th? There were and they died too. Muslims are also victims of this terrorism. I would love to see more Muslims and educated non Muslims speak out and tell the world what Islam really is and that terrorism and violence is not what Islam preaches. Awais Arshad You can see all comments on this post here:click here

by John E. Carey (208 articles, 0 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 107 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 2:26:39 PM

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and all other brothers and sisters, on this planet. Yip. I mean it the way I say it. Alienation sux. Brotherhood is where it's at. I'm me and my brother is my brother. We are not the same person. He's still my brother. May I add one big name to the list ? Europe. Lots of muslim brothers and sisters here in Europe. I'm very happy they are here and I am more than glad to be here. Together, we have been helping each other and learning from one another prior to and especially since that dark and dusty day...the day the new crusade was launched by means of a self-inflicted wound. r

by Tony Forest (7 articles, 18 quicklinks, 166 diaries, 1429 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 3:20:47 PM

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Please read "Europe's Problems With Muslims: More Severe than in the U.S. (If You Can Believe That)" and make any comments you would like... click here

by John E. Carey (208 articles, 0 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 107 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 5:45:24 PM

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true and reflective of the current situation here in Germany and in Europe. While Schäuble's true intentions are not clear to me, he is earnest in his...this endeavor. I've been privy to following this particular persons political career for more then two decades. As a result, I wouldn't trust him with a lolipop. Pre-9/11 life for our muslim neighbors, colleagues and friends was far from perfect. With the introduction of the "grand coalition" which now calls itself the Government (in Germany) things have gone from bad to worse. The anti-muslim Bandwagon, driven by the US team is too loud to overhear and the reaction of european Govt.s appears to be that of a weakened canine rolling over at it's master's feet. The CIA flight affair was successfully swept under the rug...here in Germany by one Herr Steinmeier, once a member of the Schroeder ("red/green") Administration, currently a member of the "grand coalition" and Merkel's Administration. I take it they have a lot to hide...as do most european Govt.s . Fear may be the major factor. By the way, in my opinion, Germany is long overdue for their own "self-inflicted wound". In particular, I am refering to a major false flag operation which would rally the populus behind the Govt. and this new religious crusade. The question is...will the people fall for it ? Looking around me just now, I would say yes. And that is a pity.

by Tony Forest (7 articles, 18 quicklinks, 166 diaries, 1429 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 2:06:48 AM

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John, I was browsing some international news media which I do about once a week. I am amazed at what I find. I try to keep balance. About once a month I read the Jerusalem Post, The Arab Reform Bulletin and some papers in English from Cairo, Ishtanbul, and Jordan. Thank you for your article. Utah. 2-14-07 The 18-year-old gunman who killed five people in a crowded Utah shopping mall was a Bosnian Muslim refugee who was prepared to kill many more, say investigators. I wish to hear more about this one, and we will. CAIRO • 2-13-07 Groups of Egyptian Muslims set fire to Christian-owned shops in southern Egypt after hearing rumors of a love affair between a Muslim woman and a Coptic Christian man, security sources and a witness said yesterday. BANGKOK, Thailand: 2/14/07. Suspected Muslim insurgents shot four people to death and wounded four soldiers assigned to protect teachers in attacks Wednesday in Thailand's restive south, police said. For sodomy: BAUCHI, Nigeria (AP) - An Islamic court sentenced Mohammed Sagri to death by stoning months ago... For stealing (North Nigeria). Altina Abubakar, 50, sentenced to lose a hand for stealing $40 worth of fabric, has been in prison for 13 months. For Adultery. In 2002, in Katsina state, Nigeria a court imposed a sentence of death by stoning on Amina Lawal, a 31-year-old divorcee, for having sex outside marriage. A man has been charged with the premeditated murder of his sister who was shot dead in the country's second "honour crime" this year. The suspect, a taxi driver, told police he killed his 22-year-old married sister after receiving an anonymous call suggesting she was having "extramarital affairs". Last week UNRWA launched a drive to increase contributions (for Palestinian refugees) and divulged that the Arab countries - their inflammatory rhetoric notwithstanding - are the most tightfisted of UNRWA donor countries. Of UNRWA's $462 million 2006 budget, $137m. came from the US, $41m. from Sweden, $27m. from the UK and $12m. from Denmark. Saudi Arabia, the world's richest oil-producer, managed to scrape a mere $1.2m. Smaller Kuwait managed a tad more with $1.5m., still a drop in its overflowing oil bucket. The rest of the Arab states are even less generous. Oil-rich Bahrain spared no more than $30,000. Indeed the Arab world's share has declined. In the 1980s it financed 8% of UNRWA's outlay. By 2006 it put in less than 3%. Note the United States gave almost four times more than any other country and 137 times more than any Arab nation to the Palestinians). Question: Why are there even Palestinian refugee camps in Gaza. Israel withdrew completely from Gaza? How can you be refugees for fifty-nine years or from 1948? Do you wish more? I can give you fifty pages. In Palestine, would someone tell us why people are afraid to leave their homes in daylight to go to stores and how many Palestinians have been killed by Hamas and Fatah since this little civil war started? Of those killed in Palestine by Fatah and Hamas how many women? How many children?

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 972 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 3:24:30 PM

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Thanks so much for your effort. It is an unusual situation....

by John E. Carey (208 articles, 0 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 107 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 5:46:56 PM

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Timothy McVeigh, a christian, blew a bunch of folks to smithereens. George Bush, a christian, is continuing to blow a bunch of folks to smithereens. The Taliban in Afghanistan, one might understand, offered to turn Osama bin Laden over to any third party nation that would guarrantee a fair trial and no death sentence, this was ignored in favor of invasion by, you guessed it, the christian George Walker Bush. Jose Padilla, an American citizen neither tried or convicted, and maybe once a christian himself, was turned into a vegetable on the orders of George Bush, a christian. Those who tortured him daily for years were probably not muslims either. Let us not forget the acts of torture christians commit upon those encarcerated in Guantanamo and Abhu Ghraib, two thirds of whom were never captured on any battlefield or in possession of any weaponry, nor given trial nor attorneys. Let us remind Pratliffe of the many secret prisons around the world to which the US routinely sends those unconvicted of crimes in order to torture them at leisure, again by non muslims. One might offer that Pratliffe's shallow statements about conditions in Gaza reflect an ignorance or a motivation, probably the latter, as Pratliffe may be many things but ignorant isnt one of them. It is a horrific world in which we live, Pratliffe, made all the more so by folks like you.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 6:33:05 PM

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Ardee: You are always very predictable. Islam is never wrong. Ardee as you always defend innocent Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah, you always leave out the facts: 1. The United States is not and has never been a Christian nation. It is a secular state. I imagine there are more atheists and agnostics in Guantanamo Bay than there are confessing Christians. 2. None of this done in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib is done in the name of Jesus Christ. There is no cross on the flag flying above the base. Everyone I mentioned above do it in the name of Allah, the Koran, Mohammed and his companions. Do you not ready anything at all? Do you deny that? How come you always overlook that? To your other points, McVeigh never claimed to be a Christian and you should know that if you are going to list him. He thought Christians were too soft according to his testimony. Have you not read anythingt about him? I was in Oklahoma City the day he murdered so many innocent people. My son works in the Federal Penitentiary at El Reno, Oklahoma where he was incarcerated. I was an on sight counselor within three hours after the Federal Building was blown up. George Bush may be a Christian, but what he did he did in your name since you are an American. It was an invasion by the United States and your taxes pay his salary. Why don't you fire your employee? He is all your fault since you pay his salary. You see, Ardee, everyone of the terrorists are Muslim and what they do is in the name of Islam. Last time I checked the United States has a Separation of Church and State. Which one of the Muslim countries will be first to have separation of Islam and State? I am waiting Ardee, but I will not hold my breath. Which terrorist do you know blowing up people all around the world is not doing it in the name of Allah, Islam, Mohammed and his companions? I suggest you go to YouTube to watch and listen to some the Muslim Mullahs speaking on the videos about what they think a true Muslim should be doing.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 972 comments) on Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 11:53:26 PM

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You are, bottom line, a fanatical hater of one billion souls. That you repeat and repeat, ad nauseum, that stupid line about my believing Islamists are never wrong best illustrates the weakness of your childish arguments. It is just that, in the face of the flood of anti muslim garbage spewed from one like you, who does the devils work, I am forced to the opposite extreme, as much from fairness as from repugnance of one like you , so very evil indeed. I only respond in the hopes that all here will understand you as the real enemy of peace and progress, the sower of the seeds of dischord which flower into divisiveness and war. You are every bit the Klansman, robed to hide the individual but burning crosses to illuminate the fear and loathing that makes they, and you, a disease. The real fear in you, Pratliffe, should be the fear of the throne of judgement, when you will surely discover that your god detests such as you.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:10:42 AM

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humor, irony, even certain compassion. But it seems that the direct way is the right way sometimes: Mr. Carey's articles are unacceptable to me because he NEVER considers US as anything but 'good force'. Even in the most idealistic of the worlds such attitude should be considered at least as strange if not purely hypocritical, but in the light of the current events such attitude is nothing but bizarre. You do not consider the ' troubles' of the world before you clean your own mess and so far the mess we had developed had literally cost millions of lives, much more than any Moslem, Santeria or whatever ' religious' violence. Mr. Carey oozes Peace and Freedom but his articles have only one message to anyone who really wants to listen- 'Surrender your own Peace and Freedom to ours and everything will be hunky- dory.' Everything Mr. Carey propagates is like that. Everyone is happy with the American way; whoever is not happy for whatever reason is trouble, America is always on the humanitarian mission(s) and our people here are the best of the best of the best. Kind off like Captain America. If Mr. Carey gets any feedback that feedback is always( at least what we get here from him) praising him for his wisdom and thanking for help like as if he is one of the bright beams of the US supergoodness which everybody has to seek. I am trying to avoid here anything ad hominem. I surely do not imply that Mr. Carey as a person is like that but the articles we here get ARE ALL THE SAME, LIKE THERE IS SOME TEMPLATE BEING USED: here is the benevolent American God who knows the best for everybody and is concerned that some people are irrational. There can be billions of people, whole countries- it does not matter as soon as God is upset. I am sorry, I do not buy it. There are people in the world who are 'Careys' but on the other side. There are people in other countries who write the same way and the same things but about us. They consider us the only source of trouble ever, they use the same templates, they find' american step' in any mischief, they say very bad and unsubstantiated things about our people, they are, in fact as shallow as Mr. Carey is but in the exaggaration about us as people. I am sure Mr. Carey is aware that such people exist and he, surely, dismisses them. Then why can't he look in the mirror, compare his artlcles to the articles of those people and recognize the simularity? Judging from what I read in his diaries, he is an educated and compassionate person. Where the Hell this all goes when he writes?

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4102 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 8:06:18 AM

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that a former president of something called International Defense Consultants might be concerned that peace could possibly break out and ruin the bottom line of such a consultancy. How best to ensure continuing war, thus a need for continuing consults, than to foment hatred between religions and highlight differences rather than seek similarities. PEACE IS SO DARNED AWFUL FOR THE PROFIT MARGINS OF SO MANY COMPANIES. Now if someone might explain to me why a Reverend and supposedly good christian man seeks to foment such hatreds Id be grateful. Jesus is sooo gonna get you, Pratliffe.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 12:22:17 PM

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Ardee, I see a lot of Muslims killing Christians, but I do not see a lot of Christians killing Muslims. Millitant Islam is attempting to force all under the Cresent Moon and the Sword. They are so cruel they will never succeed because there are too many Muslims who are revolted by beheadings, amputations, and public lashings. At least you and Panurg keep telling me there are. I hope you are right. IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED... Phil.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 972 comments) on Friday, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:02:51 AM

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and that may be the most accurate and self illuminating sentence you have ever posted here. You do not see that you are a part of the problem, you do not see that you foster hatred and bigotry and they are twin towers in the way of solutions, of peace. You, who noted that he could post fifty pages of atrocities committed by moslems sees nothing wrong with that statement, fails to see that fr every one of those there are similar such actions by christians against the nations of Islam. None so blind as those who see only what they wish to see, who use any tool at their disposal to continue a climate of hatred that leads to more and more atrocities. If you can truly believe that garbage about seeing no christians killing moslems then you are well and truly blind, so consumed with your fears and prejudices that you are beyond redemption. Johns Hopkin's released a study estimating that over six hundred thousand Iraqis have been slaughtered since we, a christian nation, led by a so-called 'born again' leader invaded them. Your way leads to more bloodshed, your way is the same tired and cynical stupidity that sponsored the crusades, that allows torture and murder of muslims by christians. You are really pathetic, Pratliffe, seriously deranged Im sorry to say, but taking hatred into your heart tends to do that to people, so sad for you. I speak not to you, that is a matter for you and your mental health professional, but to those who read your diatribes of lies and calls for more death, more torture, more, more more. It is only through dialogue, through understanding and through a sincere effort to end the conditions that allow a large portion of this world to be exploited that peace will be achieved. "If they can convince you of absurdities they can coerce you into atrocities." Voltaire

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 9:28:23 AM

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