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June 15, 2007 at 15:43:25

Questions Your Pastor Will Hate

by Dennis Diehl

http://www.opednews.com

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When I was kid, I loved to ask my minister questions about things that, to my young mind, made no sense when I read them in the Bible or more likely heard them in Sunday school. His answers were always rather bland and not a little aloof since, after all, he was the pastor and I was just a kid.

I remember asking about how humans and dinosaurs could coexist. After all, they had to be a part of the creation story, even though not mentioned specifically. Or why would dinosaurs be taken on the ark, only to go extinct such a short time after? And how do you cage a T-Rex or fit a Brontosaurus on such a boat, much less a pair of all sorts?

I got a lot of looks but very few answers. As the years went by, I concluded that none of it was either possible or even addressed in the Bible. I realized humans and dinosaurs had nothing in common (unless you live in the SE USA) and the pastor was either ignorant, deliberately deceptive or hung up somewhere in between himself, not knowing what to say to a kid. I honestly think I would have appreciated knowing what I suspect he knew, that being the story of Noah was fiction and I didn't have to worry about dinosaurs or polar bears for tha matter on the ark. It never happened.

I remember asking why the Bible, a book which had to know better since it was written by God himself, said Joshua raised his hands and the "sun stopped for the space of about a day," when clearly it would be the earth that stopped rotating? I asked him how oceans would not slop out of their basins in such a scenario and drown the whole world? I asked him if humans would not be cast into space by such a sudden stop of the entire planet? I even asked if this really happened, why did no one else on the whole planet notice it, or write about it? I got that dumb look again.

I asked what about all those in history and even now who have never heard of Jesus. He said they all are saved in their ignorance, though another minister I asked said they all go to hell of some sort. So depending on who you ask, the ignorant either get an automatic free pass for their trouble or go to hell, having no awareness of what they did to deserve that! Hmmmm. Something ain't right here!

I did respond by asking him why then we should send missionaries and put the ignorant at risk, when if we just leave them alone, they can make it in their ignorance of never having heard the only name under heaven by which a man can be saved. I got the look again.

I went to a Christian college to study these things. Boy if you think I had questions as a kid!

"Why did God not like Cain's vegetable sacrifice but loved Abel's cooked meat?" Answer...Vegetarians are weak Christians.

"Who was Cain afraid would kill him when God put him out of the Garden for killing Abel? There were mom, dad, bro and himself on the whole planet at the time." Answer...He must have known his sisters were going to have kids with dad, no not that. He was speculating. Cain wasn't thinking very clearly that day.

"Why would God stop the whole earth for a day so Israelites could finish a genocide against the enemy?" I mean, I can see stopping it so there is more time to hug, or feed the hungry, or plant the crops, but more time to kill? Dumb story. Answer...God hates sin and had to kill the bastards, he just needed more time than he planned on."

"How come the horses in the Exodus die twice in the Ten Plagues and still survive for Pharoah to mount a final attack against the Israelites, and then die again." Answer...Where do you get this stuff?

"Why, no matter what, is it always the human's fault and God never gets any blame for not making good on his promises?" Answer...It's a mystery. Have faith. God's ways are not your ways.

"Why does the Apostle Paul, who writes most of the New Testament, NEVER quote Jesus, tell a story of his life or death, discuss a miracle or teaching?" Answer...Where do you get this stuff?

"Why does neither Mark nor John know anything about Jesus birth, while Matthew and Luke do but tell contradictory stories?" Answer...Because the Gospels are like four people who see a car wreck...

"Why does Paul only say Jesus was born of a woman like everyone else?" Answer...Paul was concerned about the risen Jesus, not the earthly one. He was too busy to check up on the details.

"Did Paul ever spend five minutes with the real human Jesus?" Answer..well no, but Paul's Jesus is the risen Jesus, it doesn't matter.

"Isn't it strange the man who writes most of the New Testament and tells us all how to live, think and believe about Jesus, never met him, while the Twelve who did, vanish into thin air and write nothing/" Answer...You ain't from around these parts are you boy.

"How come Jesus never wrote anything himself while alive, but then writes perfect Greek after he is dead in the form of the Book of Revelation?" Answer....He finished his PHD in Heaven.

"If Herod killed all the little children under two to get at Jesus, who escaped, can we not say the little children had to die for Jesus before he died for them?" Answer...No we can't, sheesh.

"How come Herod couldn't follow the Star of Bethlehem himself to find Jesus, but sent others to report back when they found him?" Answer...He was busy.

"How could Mary leave town after being warned of Herod's intentions and never tell the women in the town, their kids were about to be butchered?" Answer...she was under oath not to tell the Angel story.

"Do you think Mary thought, 'I know something you don't know,' as she left town?" Answer...you're sick.

"How could Jesus family flee to Egypt sometime during the first two years in one story but go home to Narareth quietly after 40 days in the other?" Answer...It's a miracle.

"How come in Mark 3 Mary and his brothers came to get Jesus and take him home because they thought he was "mad" which I assume means insane. Did Mary forget who he was and how he got here?" Answer...shut up.

"How come Matthew uses the Old Testament to weave a story of Jesus, where every quote he uses has absolutely nothing to do with the point he is making about Jesus birth?" Answer...While we might flunk you for such methods, we give Matthew an A, because, well, he's Matthew. Bible guys get to do and say things you're not allowed to.

"If Jesus was asked 'who sinned, this man or his parents that he was born blind?', would that not imply the man had sinned before his birth, perhaps in a previous life, if his blindness at birth was some kind of punishment? I mean, the blindness was from birth, so the sin had to be before that." Answer...Ummm.., no. Whatever the answer, it's definately not that one.

"So is it just me, or are these good questions to ask about the text and theology of the Bible?" Answer...It's just you. While we might be marginally informed ourselves, we are very piously convicted of our answers. The wisdom of man, and this would be you in this case, is foolishness with God. You're fired and have a nice day.

And so it goes. If you want to make a pastor, elder or deacon turn white with fear or red with anger, just ask a Bible question based on the actual text or what today we would simple know as common sense. Depending on his denomination, education, candor and personal spiritual confidence, he will react accordingly. Most pastors I know are sincere, but ill informed or duplistic and well informed, not willing to risk all for what they clearly also see is a problem with the "inerrant" text of the Bible. Kinda sad actually, but when it comes to matters of the spirit, it is important to keep asking those questions about a book that proports to have the key to everything and the only right way for a human to think. It's important to ask questions of all such books and ideas. Let's face it, take away the zealots and fundamentalists from Judaism, Islam and Christianity, and the planet might actually find some peace. Killing the messenger for bringing the message some don't want to hear, is however, still the preferred way to handle such things all too often.

Dennis is a former Pastor of 26 years and still has lots of questions left :)

 

 

Dennis Diehl is a former pastor of 26 years,  who outgrew the Literalism of Fundamentalism.  He writes about Pastoral and Church abuse and is available to speak on such topics or be helpful to any church suffering under abusive religion or pastors. 

 

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The author a human who has made a important discovery."I'm just happy to be here..."  
RoageThe author a human who has made a important discovery."I'm just happy to be here..."  

Great Questions

Hi Dennis,
The bible is merely a poor documentation, nothing more. Any who place their trust in a book or another human being gets the gifts of confusion and suffering. This is because those things are not where one is to put their trust. The Apostle's and Paul especially were confused. Christians do not understand that those guys are the poster boys for "don't let it happen to you". Only Judas understood and he was sovereign. It is a secret, you know. One religion has kept for a long time to make us all slaves. I am no longer a slave and thankfully, no human being has the power to make me one.

Warm Regards,
Roage

by Roage (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 53 comments) on Friday, June 15, 2007 at 5:09:21 PM
 


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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

Judas was sovereign?

Judas was sovereign? What does that mean?

by Bob Gormley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 777 comments) on Friday, June 15, 2007 at 5:12:33 PM
 


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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

So....

So.... where does one put there trust? You've got me interested.

And.... what were the apostles so confused about?

by Bob Gormley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 777 comments) on Friday, June 15, 2007 at 5:15:18 PM
 


The author a human who has made a important discovery."I'm just happy to be here..."  
RoageThe author a human who has made a important discovery."I'm just happy to be here..."  

Sovereignty

Gormely,

There are a few secrets that have been kept from us for thousands of years. Those that intend to make us slaves try desperately to conceal these truths. Someone outed these truths and our nation was born only to be stolen from us through deception.

There is a holy grail and it is the only thing worth having.

The concept of Sovereignty has been concealed and clouded. You can bet they do not teach us what it actually is.

It is a concept taught by Jesus Christ but only understood by few. Unfortunately for us those few are the ones running the place and this fundamental law is being used to enslave us.

The Truth shall set you free.

"They that think the rule" would very much that I go away. They would like to kill me and be done with it. They do not have my permission to do so and they do not have that power. They are not it control here and THEY KNOW IT!

Here are some links that will help you understand:

http://www.roage.com/main.asp?Page=25

 

http://www.roage.com/main.asp?Page=34

 

Here are the contents. All the important answers are here and it is time people learn and it is time for them to be free.

Scroll down into my blogs and pick an article at random. It is the "Red Pill". are you ready to know the Truth?

http://www.roage.com/main.asp?Page=1

The world is a wonderful place when you figure out how things work and until one knows the Truth they live in the world of misery. We complicate things. It is easier then we could ever have imagined.

Cheers,

Roage

When you are done then you will know what to put your trust in. 

 

 

 

by Roage (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 53 comments) on Saturday, June 16, 2007 at 7:10:46 PM
 


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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

Thanks

Thanks for replying.

I'll check it out.

Bob

by Bob Gormley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 777 comments) on Saturday, June 16, 2007 at 7:47:54 PM
 


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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

I Already Know

I already know this stuff, but a refresher course is always good.

I was able to extract the same information from reading the Bible.

I was unable to access the last link in your reply, but read the first two.

by Bob Gormley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 777 comments) on Saturday, June 16, 2007 at 8:02:00 PM
 


The author a human who has made a important discovery."I'm just happy to be here..."  
RoageThe author a human who has made a important discovery."I'm just happy to be here..."  

Sure

That's Great!

Isn't the holy grail wonderful?

So you are unable to sin also, that's great!  We need more people to like you out there spreading the secret and truly freeing people of their misery.

Why aren't you teaching this specific mechanism?

Roage 

 

 

by Roage (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 53 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 8:33:13 PM
 


The author a human who has made a important discovery."I'm just happy to be here..."  
RoageThe author a human who has made a important discovery."I'm just happy to be here..."  

One more time

[Mr?] Gormley,

 

I felt that your comment required a more cogent response:

 

What you say is that much of the mechanisms I describe on my site can indeed be found in scriptures. However our problem is we have a distorted perception of reality and when this error is woven into the framework of the law then we are left only to assume that God is somehow either cruel, illogical or a mystery that remains unknown to us. Seldom do we consider that perhaps the fallacy lies in the fact that nearly all people place themselves in the spectrum of either fate or absolute potent freewill.

 

To do so is folly as it keeps us from pondering a third option. Our experience is subjective. Even if we are to switch bodies with another person we are still trapped in a body of deliberately limited sensory capability. Our individual and group experience is completely subjective. Why would God go to the trouble of creating a physical universe if we as human beings are unable to distinguish it from a virtual universe? It is not logical to waste the effort to create a universe and because God is fully capable of projecting a bulletproof simulation then it is more reasonable to assume that is the case. Provided the simulation is consistent we would be unable to tell the difference. If we have only "virtual" free will then all expressions of power in the virtual universe are done for us by through God’s omnipotent will, by proxy. God drives this simulation.

 

How would we be able to tell that our virtual free will is not real and potent? The truth is we can’t. These are the same dubious assumptions that science makes. Just because we are all made to see a rock does not me we can objectively and logically conclude that the rock is there. We can only logically conclude that we all see a rock and again we do know if the rock is actually there.

 

This then creates a reality quite different from the one that it foisted on us by modern thought. Now we believe that we live in a universe that is ever-expanding and will come to an end therefore: one might as well kill himself or herself. It is a cold place where we are at the mercy of chaos and probability. The kind of reality that we face in our “modern” world is fatalistic, brutal and truly without logical purpose. In this reality God is rendered an impotent bystander and people are pawns of those who have mastered material power.  We muddle through lonely, confused and with only blind faith as little comfort.

 

No thank-you, by reading the same scripture and altering my perception, as nothing can be concretely proven in either case, I am able to live in complete happiness side-by-side with my brothers and sisters in misery. Even more strange is because my perception differs from those in misery they have no idea how good I have it. They perceive that I am subject to the same forces that dominate their existence but happily that is not the case. They are completely unaware of how little control over my existence they have, not to mention, the total lack of control over their own existence. My universe is a friendly place where all events have purpose. Everything is logical and I am taught the law as I need it.

As a simulation, this universe is used by God to teach human beings how to use their potent freewill when it is granted. This universe is merely practice and we can suffer no permanent damage by our failure here. This teaching tool has both positive and negative incentive and comes with a logical teacher/parent that has our best interest in mind. More importantly because I have a contract with God then God has removed my ability to sin. I can tell you I do not miss it.

 

In my universe God is not an ethereal concept but a real tangible force. A force of such immense power and I have not encountered anything so humbling. I have a real appreciation for God and what he does for me. He loves me enough to give me a personal level and has no trouble communicating with me. I do understand now what it means to be “God Fearing”.

 

I am made to do his will and do so happily because I trust him completely. I am here now only to serve his purpose and the tasks he has for me are fun and deeply rewarding. It is merely a series of wonderful surprises and I have no expectation. I want for nothing and “bad” things do not happen to me.

 

More importantly my universe is logical and when I need the law and the reason for an event then God gives it to me personally. I am inviolate and that is what “Divine Grace” really means. I see the Truth because God give those who ask for their sovereignty a tool to perceive him. It is a level of spiritual maturity and responsibility that I have not witnessed expressed in the Church. I am protected from myself. Forgiveness for sins is not enough. Having them removed from your behavior is true freedom.

 

I am afraid you can read the scripture as many time as you like and you will not see the lesson. Why? Because unless you are able to truly do as God commands then he is happy to allow you to learn the lesson of your confusion.

 

What is real is actually defined by what God makes real. I “realized” that my “reality” deprived me of a tangible relationship with HWHY. I even know how to utter his name and it is not “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”. His name has no vowels and is the very breath of life.

 

Any can say I am insane.  It does not bother me because God has not and will not break his promise.  God has continually reinforced in a real, logical and tangible way since my experience.  If total peace bliss and satisfaction is the measure of insanity then I am completely insane.  Go ahead and try to lock me up I'll be you'll have an encounter with something you really don't believe exists.

I have no reason to hate another human being and I can forgive in endless measure.  It is easy to forgive one who is confused.  One cannot forgive one they think is evil.  There are no evil human beings in my universe.  They are merely confused and all who still breath can have what I have.  I am not special. 

It does not suck to be me and I wish you were here! All of you!

 

And there is no reason why you can’t be.

 

Cheers,

Roage

by Roage (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 53 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 11:59:06 PM
 


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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

So.....

There are always unanswered questions.

    So.... after 26 years of being a pastor where do you stand in your

spiritual walk/search?

     I myself have become disenchanted with organized religion or "churchianity". I'm much more interested in spirituality.

     As you pointed out we are often given "pat" answers to our questions.

I'd rather have someone tell me "I don't know" then just repeating the

"party line".

       I would agree that there are discrepancies in the Bible, but from a

spiritual viewpoint I think the message is pretty clear. I meditate on the

words of Jesus as I believe he was the perfect example of how to live.

Such things as love,faith, truth,generosity, compassion, mercy,patience,etc. are spiritual

things that need no verification. I choose to focus on these.

 

by Bob Gormley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 777 comments) on Friday, June 15, 2007 at 5:09:59 PM
 


Harpist, unemployed blue collar worker, and Bush basher living deep in the heart of Texas.
PappyHarpist, unemployed blue collar worker, and Bush basher living deep in the heart of Texas.

I have another question.

After Cain killed Abel, he took his wife and went to the land of Nod. From where did his wife come? If she's the daughter (unmentioned) of Adam and Eve, then she's Cain's sister, and they are incestuous by default. If she's not their daughter, then who are her parents?

While I was researching this, I found out that "Nod" means wandering in Hebrew. Interesting what you find on your way to other things.

Blessed be!
Pappy

by Pappy (61 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 832 comments) on Saturday, June 16, 2007 at 3:50:42 AM
 


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sooneri like people

i HAD another question....

God is referred to as a "HE", as god the "Father" etc. and the bible says man was created in God's image....


What does god do with his PENIS?
Urinate? Does god need to unburden HIS bladder in a holy urinal in the sky?
Or does god Procreate with HIS Penis? Seems unlikely...
Or is god's penis just for show like a cosmic hood ornament?

by sooner (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 9:09:43 PM
 


just a concerned citizen.
k kellyjust a concerned citizen.

BRAVO!

thanks for the wonderful article Dennis!

 

gormley, i may have a way to ease your quandry.

the sources require some reading, but i promise you'll not be dissapointed.

Deism

http://www.deism.com/

http://moderndeism.com/

 

 

by k kelly (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 182 comments) on Saturday, June 16, 2007 at 9:29:04 AM
 


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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

Quandry

I have no quandry, I was just trying to get "roage" to explain what he

meant. I read the info. about Deism and I reject it.

 

by Bob Gormley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 777 comments) on Saturday, June 16, 2007 at 12:59:33 PM
 


artist, senior, student of life
Christina Staffordartist, senior, student of life

Questions for Pastors

Hi,
I enjoyed your article and found it delightully amusing as well as salient and direct in pointing out such questions, too long neglected.
If you haven't already read them, you might enjoy the latest two books by Joseph Chilton Pearce - "The Biology of Transcendence" and "The Death of Religion and the Rebirth of Spirit", both of which are inspiring and stimulating. I've never read anyone who is so deliciously scathing about the mysogynistic tendencies of St. Paul.
Best of luck to you,
Christina Stafford

by Christina Stafford (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Saturday, June 16, 2007 at 5:30:28 PM
 


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JR14 year veteran, US military, with two tours in Iraq

Incredibly ignorant questions

I can't believe the sheer ignorance revealed in this op-ed. And the writer is supposed to be a former pastor?

First of all not every pastor will "hate" these questions. Many Churches, like the Catholic Church for example, have no problem with the concept of evolution.

Keep in mind that the Bible was not intended to be a scientific textbook. If Genesis was written to explain DNA, the Hebrews wouldn't understand it. They wouldn't even have the word "DNA" in their language, or any words to cover most of the concepts.

 I don't have time to cover all your problems here, but just to point out a few:

Exodus doesn't say all the horses die twice in the plagues, although many do die. Check your translation; some say "all livestock died", some say "all kinds of livestock died"

Paul didn't discuss Jesus' life because he wasn't there!! That's what the gospels are for, and the gospels may not have even been written yet. As a Jew, he did quote the Old Testament extensively and he also spoke about Jesus' revelations to him. It's obvious that you think Paul was a fake, but the Apostles accepted him.

What do you mean: "the twelve who knew him vanished into thin air and wrote nothing"? Have you ever heard of some men named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? And as far as Judas goes, I think you can understand why he wrote nothing.

The children that Herod killed didn't "die for Jesus". They were killed on Herod's order after Jesus was born. Herod didn't know anything about the star until the wise men told him. So Herod told the wise men to find the child. I don't think Herod was a "hands on" type of guy to go chase down rumors himself. The wise men were also guided by dreams, not just the star.

In regard to warning others about Herod's order. Did you ever read the book of Matthew?? First of all, the angel spoke to Joseph, not Mary and second of all, the angel didn't tell him that Herod would kill all the children. The angel just said that Herod was looking to kill the child king.

That's about all I have time for right now. You obviously seem to have some real issues with Christianphobia. I wish you well and hope you get over it.

by JR (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 6:16:39 AM
 


Just a guy.
Bob RiversJust a guy.

what?

Not to rain on the parade, but these questions are just stupid. You'd have to be incredibly ignorant of the bible to think you're going to stump anyone with these. They all depend on willful misreading of the text or simply ignoring context.

Just to pick one of these at random - the one about John 9:2: 

And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

In context, the disciples are being taught by Jesus. In this case, they're indicating an incorrect belief that all illness is caused by sin.  Jesus' answer is in the next verse:

Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Every one of these questions is just as flawed. I'm not arguing your point that a lot of christians are idiots, I'm just pointing out that you need a bit of scholarship on the subject to be able to speak intelligently about it. You're just showing you're as dumb as they are, the only difference is you're on the other side of the argument.

by Bob Rivers (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 3:02:57 PM
 


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jcorkernI am a professional online marketer and SEO, 39 years old and only registered to answer this post

Response to questions to ask your pastor

I  hate to bust one of your bubbles, There is only one location on the entire earth where dino remains have not been discovered, and it is the middle east, So dinos not being mentioned in the bible are likely a result of them not being able to survive there, not enough plant life to support the plant eaters and therefore resulting in the others not being there to eat them.

 

Quite simple huh?

 

For a pastor( or x pastor) not doing his research, you have now just destroyed not only your faith, but others also.

 

I could answer all of the questions you have, but will not waste the time to do so here.

 

 

If you actualy use criticle thinking instead of asuming, you would already have the answers.

 

as far as the epistles, which is most of the new test. These letters were sent to church groups to address local problems, not to give a step by step guide, it was to clear up a few problems, so why would you go over common ground issues over and over, like the deity of jesus, if they were already believers, why would he have to mention Jesus's father if it was already common knowledge. They were already believers, they already knew this.

 

Your shallow mindset is overwhelming.

 

Get a grip!

by jcorkern (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, June 17, 2007 at 7:31:19 PM
 


Michael is an artist living in Sydney, Australia.
Michael BrunoMichael is an artist living in Sydney, Australia.

Time Wasters Bluff

What a great collection of questions. I wish I'd started carrying a notepad everywhere with me earlier than I did, because so many questions of my own have drifted into eternity.  But many remain.

 Already in the comments you can see the same responses trickling down through the Christian Mouthpieces. From remonstrations that Christianity IS a progressive religion, to bumbling about evolution. Was evolution mentioned in this article? The question was about how Dinosaurs got on the ark. Well?  And if Dinosaurs didn't exist in the Middle East, then how did they survive until they were later wiped out? Beacuse the only port Noah was sailing from was Port Jerusalem. Or didn't the flood really cover the whole of the earth like the Bible says? Was it just a bit of an exaggeration?

But if you concede that exaggeration exists. What else is exaggerated?

Oh! But the Bible is not meant to be taken literally. Who decides which parts are fantasy, and which parts are the non-literal fairytale stuff?

 And the gospels are proven almalgams of earlier base gospels, assigned letters like L, rather than being the actual single work of one author. And the first of those wasn't written until 70AD. In Greek (not Hebrew). If I remember my Year 9 religion class.

 So the time wasters bluff comes about. "This is all nonsense and infuriating and I won't diginfy it with a response" is the generic response. Go on. Just humour all us pitiful little atheists. Respond. In full. And don't allow your agrument to revert down to:

The Bible is credible because God says so. God is good because the Bible says so.

 

Great Article.

 

by Michael Bruno (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, June 18, 2007 at 12:06:43 AM
 


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Please check this

You are speaking out of ignorance my friend, and im sorry you did not get correct answers from your questions basically because you've been asking ignorant pastors,

why dont you check bro eli's blog

http://esoriano.wordpress.com
http://www.truthcaster.com/
http://angdatingdaan.org

People ask questions and he answers it directly from the scriptures, and so far he has proven that there are no questions that can't be answered by the bible

You see, its just proper to question pastors, to see and to test if they are speaking the truth or just lying and speaking out of ignorance, the bible do tell us not to believe everybody but test them,

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
I John 4:1
King James Version
 
Answering questions is commanded to Christians,

 

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
I Peter 3:15
King James Version

Let's ask the bible and answer one of your questions,

"Why does the Apostle Paul, who writes most of the New Testament, NEVER quote Jesus, tell a story of his life or death, discuss a miracle or teaching?"

You claimed that Apostle Paul NEVER qouted Jesus, but what does Paul tell us about his writings,

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
I Corinthians 14:37
King James Version

 See! He said that the things that he write actually comes from the Lord!

 To prove that again Paul wrote in another verse,

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

 

Galatians 1:11-12

King James Version
 
 

 and another one,

 

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures:

 

I Corinthians 15:3

King James Version
 
 


 Please do check the sites i've posted, bro. eli is currently answering the questions of atheists, and prove for yourselves that those who do not believe God are fools!

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalms 14:1
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Arthur Abogadil

 

 

 

 

by arthur_abogadil (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, June 18, 2007 at 12:07:13 AM
 


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porscheguy19!

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Ok. Let's start with the basics. Do you know everything? No? How about half of everything? No? Well, let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you know half of everything... do you have any conception of the enormity of what you don't know? Have you ever looked at a picture of deep space? Have you every tried to fathom the expanse of the universe? Your knowledge and wisdom is infinitesimal almost amounting to nothing. Do you think it possible for God to exist in the half that you don't posess? Do you think that the answers to your questions may exist in the half that you have no knowledge of?
How did dinosaurs fit on the ark?
    -How did elephants?
    -How did dangerous carnivores?
    -Your question implies that evolution is true, and that man and dinosaurs did not coexist.
    -Maybe the ark was big.
Why does the Bible say that the sun stopped?
    -Why do you call it a "sunrise"? Why not call it "the morning earth rotation"?
Why didn't the oceans slop out and people fly off the earth?
    -Do you imagine God as not powerful enough to overcome this? I mean, if He is going to stop the earth from rotating, then you would think he could overcome these other problems...
Why didn't others write about it?
    -It is reported by historians that records of the Chinese during the reign of Emperor Yeo, who lived at the same time as Joshua, report "a long day." Also, Heroditus, a Greek historian, wrote that an account of "a long day" appears in records of Egyptian priests. Others cite records of Mexicans of the sun standing still for an entire day in a year denoted as "Seven Rabits," which is the same year in which Joshua defeated the Philistines and conquered Palestine. ("Bible-Science Newsletter," DAILY READING MAGAZINE - Supplement, Vol. VIII - No. 5, May 1978, Caldwell, Idaho.) Additionally, the historical lore of the Aztecs, Peruvians, and Babylonians speak of a "day of twice natural length."
Are the heathen lost?
    -Yes. They are sinners in need of a saviour. If we are fine as we are, then Jesus would not have to die on the cross and shed his blood for our sins... God would have been ridiculous and foolish, because by coming here, he would have condemned us. This is a very clear biblical issue.
Why did God not like Cain's vegetable sacrifice and liked Able's meat one?
    -If you do not understand that "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins..." then you are lost indeed.
Who was Cain afraid of if they were the only ones on earth?
    -They lived long lives in the beginning (400 - 1000 years). Do you have any concept of what the population of the earth would look like in a few hundred years? It depends on birth rates, but there would be thousands perhaps tens of thousands of people by then. They were building cities.
Why did God stop the earth to help the Israelites commit genocide?
    -Do you know what the Canannites were doing? They were burning their babies on altars to idols. They were torturing and killing babies in fire. What if you knew of a town in your country that was doing that? Say this whole town converted to a religion that commanded them to sacrifice babies on fiery altars daily? You would say that the police or the army should go in and stop them wouldn't you? What if they resisted so they could continue killing children and others as sacrifices? Would you condone the use of deadly force to get them to stop? Oh, wait. I forgot. You are holier and smarter than God, and you would have a better answer. Maybe you could just talk to them? After all, if it makes you happy, it can't be that bad. If it feels good do it right?
How did the horses in Exodus die twice?
    -They didn't. God brought a curse upon them once, and didn't say that he would kill them all.
Why, no matter what, is it always the human's fault and God never gets any blame for not making good on his promises?
    -What are you talking about? What promises did God break? Are you a lunatic, or do you just not think before you speak?
Why does the Apostle Paul, who writes most of the New Testament, NEVER quote Jesus, tell a story of his life or death, discuss a miracle or teaching?
    -Ok, this may be hard for you to follow... but give it a try.
    -Paul was not one of Jesus' disciples. He was not hanging around when Jesus was performing miracles. He did not relate those accounts because he wasn't there to see them.
    -Also, Paul wasn't writing stories, or writing for his own amusement - he was writing letters to address certain issues. He was also writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and was not lead to include those things.
Why does neither Mark nor John know anything about Jesus birth, while Matthew and Luke do but tell contradictory stories?
    -The question should be, "Why did neither Mark or John include an account of Jesus' birth?" Your assumption is ignorant.
    -What contradictions? The genealogies are different because one is Mary's and the other is Joseph's. They do included different details, but it was a very detail-rich story... there was a lot going on, and a lot to say. This doesn't mean that they were making it up.
Why does Paul only say Jesus was born of a woman like everyone else?
    -This may also be hard for you to follow - Jesus' mother, she was a woman.
    -Everyone else? What are you talking about?
    -I have a sneaking suspicion that if Paul had affirmed the virgin birth of Christ, you still wouldn't believe it.
Did Paul ever spend five minutes with the real human Jesus?
    -First. Jesus was not just human as your question implies. Read the first chapter of Revelation.
    -Second. Paul was taught by "the real Jesus" after he was converted.
 Ga 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
 14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
 16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
 17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Isn't it strange the man who writes most of the New Testament and tells us all how to live, think and believe about Jesus, never met him, while the Twelve who did, vanish into thin air and write nothing?
    -Dealt with in previous answer
How come Jesus never wrote anything himself while alive, but then writes perfect Greek after he is dead in the form of the Book of Revelation?
    -A ha. My suspicions are confirmed. The article said, "Dennis is a former Pastor of 26 years" Yeah right. There is no Christian pastor on earth who would say that the book of Revelation was written by Jesus. Further, there is no Bible school student, deacon, sunday school teacher, or choir boy who would make that kind of mistake. You are probably just a bitter man who is angry at God for some reason or another.
If Herod killed all the little children under two to get at Jesus, who escaped, can we not say the little children had to die for Jesus before he died for them?
    -The little children died because the evil king had his military kill them.
How come Herod couldn't follow the Star of Bethlehem himself to find Jesus, but sent others to report back when they found him? 
    -Herod wasn't an astronomer. I bet you think that the Bible says the star was the size of the moon and moved across the sky to the tune of "O Little Town of Bethlehem".
How could Mary leave town after being warned of Herod's intentions and never tell the women in the town, their kids were about to be butchered?
    -You were there and know what they said to people (or didn't say)? Wow. Please tell me more.
Do you think Mary thought, 'I know something you don't know,' as she left town?
    -Actually, the answer to this question in your article is a good one and I don't really need to add to it.
How could Jesus family flee to Egypt sometime during the first two years in one story but go home to Narareth quietly after 40 days in the other?
    -Umm. 2 different stories here pal. First one is Jesus' birth, and second one is the temptation in the wilderness. You flipped to Mark chapter 1 instead of Luke 1 when you were quickly looking for your "contradictions".
How come in Mark 3 Mary and his brothers came to get Jesus and take him home because they thought he was "mad" which I assume means insane. Did Mary forget who he was and how he got here?
    -A little confused aren't you? It's ok. Just take a few deep breaths and listen carefully. Those were 2 distinct instances in Mark 3. First some people called "his friends" tried to lay hold on him because they thought he was beside himself, and then after that was all over with his family showed up and wanted to talk to him.
    -Are you using one of those comic book bibles? You know, the ones for kids with pictures and caption bubbles and little words?
"How come Matthew uses the Old Testament to weave a story of Jesus, where every quote he uses has absolutely nothing to do with the point he is making about Jesus birth?" Answer...While we might flunk you for such methods, we give Matthew an A, because, well, he's Matthew. Bible guys get to do and say things you're not allowed to.
    -I included your answer to your own question because it is as revealing as the question it'self. Who is going to flunk you? I guess I may have to take back what I said about Bible school students not making that kind of mistake.
    -Your question is confusing. Sorry. Can't answer a question that doesn't make sense.
If Jesus was asked 'who sinned, this man or his parents that he was born blind?', would that not imply the man had sinned before his birth, perhaps in a previous life, if his blindness at birth was some kind of punishment? I mean, the blindness was from birth, so the sin had to be before that.
    -I'm confused. Are you implying that the premise for a question the disciples asked Jesus may have been wrong? Are you saying that they were just regular men who make mistakes?
So is it just me, or are these good questions to ask about the text and theology of the Bible?
    -Some of them are good questions, and they have good answers... while others are not good questions as they are poorly researched and born from prejudice and ignorance of the Bible.
Richard B.

by porscheguy19 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, June 18, 2007 at 3:39:50 PM
 


I am a former pastor from California.
foxtrotI am a former pastor from California.

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I wanted to address one thing that has always bothered me. How come everytime God's apparent command of genocide is brought up Christians say "But those people were sacrificing babies!"? To me it doesn't seem that the best thing to do to rescue babies from being sacrificed is to kill them (along with everyone else). I mean, seriously, that's like if you were getting whipped I'd come along and rescue you by whipping you AND your father and mother. It doesn't even make sense.

And the horses DID all have to die twice...Exodus 9 verses 2-6 you'll see that it specifically mentions that all the livestock died (and mentions that the livestock includes horses, donkeys, camels, cattle, sheep and goats).

by foxtrot (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Thursday, June 21, 2007 at 11:06:01 AM