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Questioning 9/11 and to Hell with Caution

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I owe Robert Fisk an apology. He began a thread on Truthdig.com called, "Questioning 9/11 with Caution" where he essentially (and cautiously) mentioned some of the "ravers" involved in the 9/11 for Truth movement. While in there, I came in direct contact with some of these ravers(to be polite) and began to question and research some of the data they were presenting. What I came up with were some pretty interesting morsels. Perhaps even boulders!

For example, some(not all) of the so called 9/11 conspiracy theorists have ties to Lyndon LaRouche, the same guy who said MI-6 was trying to assassinate him and that the Beatles were a creation of Britain’s Defense Ministry. He also said the Queen of England was the biggest dope peddler on the planet and that Britain, (not Hitler) was responsible for the second world war.

What really got me interested in the sources of some of these more radical "truth seekers," was another dig with Amy Goodman, where a raver was chastising her, literally calling her a cog in the Bush cover-up of 9/11 because she interviewed Ward Churchill, rather then the leader of the 9/11 for Truth movement, Dr. Steven E. Jones. This was when I discovered Webster Griffin Tarpley, an author and historian best known for his book, "George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography" and a member of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth (among other affiliations). He was also a key component to the Lyndon LaRouche political movement and in fact ran for the state senate in New York and lost.

"From 1991 to 1995, Tarpley worked with the political movement run by Lyndon LaRouche, and was a frequent host of “The LaRouche Connection” described as “a news and information cable television program produced by” LaRouche’s Executive Intelligence Review News Service."

The tactics of LaRouche (as seen back in the 1970's), using his so called "new left" to attack other leftist elements, (I mean even physically beating them up), is what really caught my attention on these current so called truth seekers, who were in essence using what I thought to be the Lyndon LaRouche playbook, pretending to be left while attacking the left. It's like taking the entire political philosophy of neo-liberal David Horowitz, molding his beginnings with Maoist Marxism to his current neo-conservatism into one big ugly ball of play dough and presto! We'll come back to Mr. Horowitz later.

Next we come to the prolific Christopher Bollyn, an author who in fact exposed a Reader's Digest article about illegal government surveillance which actually praised the notion, as coming from none other than the cousin of Michael Chertof, head of Homeland Security. Now this expose' was great and I thank Mr. Bollyn for it. However, the reason I refer to him as prolific (beyond his outward appearance as a hard working reporter/journalist) is in the revelation as to whom he has worked for. Among others the American Free Press which seems to have shared the same offices as, "The Barnes Review."

Just to give you some examples:

The American Free Press
"The fact that Bollyn is extensively sourced in 9/11 skeptics’ literature, combined with the fact that his employer, the American Free Press, has extreme right associations, gives defenders of the official 9/11 myth effective ammunition with which to attack their critics. Although publications of the American Free Press are generally free of racist, white-supremicist, or anti-Semitic content, its sister publication, The Barnes Review overtly promotes such ideologies. Consider the following facts:

The Barnes Review praises Hitler as deserving of the Nobel Prize
The American Free Press and The Barnes Review share the same address
The American Free Press and The Barnes Review promote each other
Christopher Bollyn has been a guest on David Duke’s show a number of times
The American Free Press was founded by Right Wing ideologue Willis Carto."
"Carto (born July 17, 1926 in Indiana) is a longtime figure on the far right wing of American politics. He describes himself as Jeffersonian and populist, although the Anti-Defamation League and other critics say he promotes thinly-disguised antisemitism. Carto was also the founder of a publishing company called Noontide Press, which published a number of books on white racialism, including Yockey’s Imperium and David Hoggan’s The Myth of the Six Million, one of the first books to deny the Holocaust."

Also, The Barnes Review in their last convention had guest speakers like Theo Junker, former member of the Wiking SS, a guy who built a memorial on his Wisconsin farm honoring Adolf Hitler (see: Time Magazine).

Other guest speakers at the event included political writer Michael Collins Piper, a Holocaust denier and a guy who blames MOSSAD for the JFK assassination, also claims the Israeli’s are working on an ethnic bomb that will kill only Arabs. He’s a devout friend of Willis Carto and Christopher Bollyn filled in for him from time to time on his radio talk show, The Piper Report on The Republic Broadcasting Network, which is owned and operated by John Stadmiller.

John Stadmiller also has his own radio show. It’s called The National Intel Report. The RBN(Republic Broadcasting Network) covers everything from UFO’s to demonic mind control. Their sponsors include The Knob Creek Gun Range and The Nationalist Times, which comes from The American Nationalists Union, a white supremacist organization.

Next we have Dr. Harrell Rhome of Eagle Publications, a devout right wing Christian Fundamentalist and a regular contributer to the Barnes Review. He also shares the spotlight with pro-Aparteid professor, Dr.Claus Nordbruch of South Africa.

Then there's Dave Von Kleist, producer of In Plane site which has already been proved a hoax.

Now most of these folks and several others I haven't got the time to mention, all blame Israel for the attacks of 9/11 (and everything else). They also attack several independent journalists like Goodman and John Foster(Chip) Berlet, Fisk and others, actually calling them co conspirators in the so called Bush/AIPAC coverup.

I owe an apology, not only to Robert Fisk, but to everyone out there who is genuinely seeking the truth concerning 9/11. These include the many real and dedicated individuals and groups who surround it, like the 9/11 widows who pushed so hard to get Bush to present an investigation and people like the great historian Howard Zinn and Col. Karen Kwiatkowski (ret.) who showed us how Cheney doctored intelligence to war on Iraq. My hat goes off to them and those like them. What I'm presenting here has absolutely nothing to do with the fine work they do. But it is definitely something we all need to be aware of, that right wing extremists are playing a role within the role of the 9/11 for truth movement and it is very doubtful their intent is in seeking the truth about anything.

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