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June 26, 2008 at 06:44:21

Headlined on 6/26/08:
Why were 'first responders' de-contaminated at the Pentagon?

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De-contamination is done when one is exposed to radiation! Why, then, were 911 'first responders' to the Pentagon de-contaminated? That they were is not only compelling evidence that DU [Depleted Uranium] ammunition and armour-piercing technology were present, it is compelling evidence that Bush's 'official conspiracy theory' of 911 is utter bullshit! If DU was used at the Pentagon, then the fire and damage was most certainly not caused by a hijacked 757 airliner.

There is not a shred of hard evidence in support of Bush's 'official theory' which fails to explain almost everything about the Pentagon crash. A more rational explanation is required to explain the 'crash' and fire --an explanation that is consistent with observed and verifiable facts on the ground and in the photos. Facts unexplained by the 'official' theory include:
  • a 16 x 20 penetration hole much too small accommodate a 757
  • a punch out hole in the inner ring (too small; a soft, aluminum bodied 757 would not have made it that far anyway)
  • the utter lack of even so much as a skid mark on a pristine, putting green lawn
  • the fact that Ronald Rumsfeld referred to 'the missile that struck this building'
  • the fact that the total debris gathered is but a small fraction of the total debris that would have been left by an airliner.
It is the job of 'theories' in law, science or forensics to explain. A 'theory' which raises more questions and issues than it explains is a bad theory --even if it is official. Bush's official conspiracy theory of 911 is not merely 'bad theory'. It's a lie.

Official FEMA photographs from the Pentagon depict what is obviously an engine rotor with a diameter estimated at about three feet, obviously from an aircraft much smaller than a 757. Only one such rotor was found.

The photographs of the 'rotor' were published in the American Free Press and, so far, no one has dared claim that it is the rotor of a 757 engine --an aircraft that we are told hit the Pentagon. The engine rotor from a 757 is about three times the size at about 9 feet in diameter. If an airliner had crashed the Pentagon, two such rotors some 9 feet in diameter would have been found. They were not found because they were never there.

The three-rotor turbine was found near insulation and part of a 'housing', evidence that it was the wreckage of a much smaller aircraft than a 757. A Global Hawk, perhaps? In any case, its presence does not support Bushco's 'official conspiracy theory'; moreover, the 'official conspiracy theory' cannot explain the presence of small aircraft wreckage. The 'official conspiracy theory' utterly falls apart.

The Pentagon was and remains among the most 'surveilled' buildings in the world. Hundreds, perhaps, thousands of frames were taken of whatever it was that crashed the Pentagon. The point is clear: the debate about what actually struck the Pentagon could have been put to rest before it began had the government -- the Bush administration -- just released all the photos that were taken that day. If Bush is annoyed because people demand the truth, he has only himself to blame. He could have confessed, given himself up and saved the nation a nightmare.

Now --if Bush is guilty, his refusal to release the photos is completely understandable! A photo of a Global Hawk, for example, is compelling evidence, perhaps a 'smoking gun', that the attack on the Pentagon was an inside job. If Bush were entirely innocent of all wrong doing in connection with 911, it would have been in his interest to release every photograph and to have ordered a complete and thorough investigation of 911. Only if Bush is guilty is it in his interest to 'cover it up'. He covered it up and continues to cover it up today! Draw your own conclusions.

The nail in the coffin is the fact that 911 responders were de-contaminated at the Pentagon. The official theory doesn't even try to explain that fact because it was assumed that we would never find out about it. That 911 responders were de-contaminated does two things: 1) it completely demolishes the 'official conspiracy theory'; 2) it is material evidence that whomever ordered the 'responders' had reason to believe that dangerous radiation posed a threat to workers on the site. That the decontamination took place is evidence that they had been correct!

A 757 airliner is a civilian craft. It is not nuclear powered; it does not carry a nuclear war head or hardened nose cone. It carried no weaponry --conventional or nuclear! Had a 757 crashed the Pentagon there would have been no need to order decontamination procedures. No such procedures were carried out in New York. Clearly, 'officials' knew at the time that a civilian airliner had not crashed the Pentagon. Moreover, the only scenario that fully explains the necessity of decontamination procedures is that of a military craft crashing into the Pentagon. It is my belief that that is what happened in fact.

As I have written time and again, Bush's official conspiracy theory is full of holes. No part of it is defensible. There is not a shred of hard evidence in support of it. The 'story' itself is inconsistent. It violates Occam's Razor, raising more questions than it explains. It's a lousy theory. Even a bad theory should --at least --'sound' credible. Bush has only shock, trauma, grief and mis-placed patriotism in his defense.

By contrast, every explanation is, in fact, a theory. Theories, despite what Bush and the media would have you believe, are how both law and science proceed. A set of related facts are explained by 'theories' which must, of necessity, explain all facts. Theories inconsistent with proven facts must be discarded as false. Bush's theory explains nothing and is inconsistent with established science. By contrast, a technology called 'Global Hawk may very well explain the seemingly inexplicable events of 911 and, at the same time, point an accusing finger.

The salient feature of Global Hawk technology is that it is operated by remote control. Google 'Global Hawk'. You will find several articles about how the US outfitted a plane with Global Hawk technology and flew it from California to Australia. No human pilot! No Arab hijackers! Remote control.
America's greatest crime against humanity is radioactive genocide particularly against the children of Iraq who are the innocent victims of our illegal war, occupation and economic rape of Iraq. We have the blood of countless innocent children on our hands and it will take generations to remove the stain of our illegal and inhumane transgressions. Currently, more than 50 percent of Iraqi cancer patients are children under the age of 5, up from 13 percent. Children are especially vulnerable because they tend to play in areas that are heavily polluted by depleted uranium.

--America's greatest crime is radioactive genocide
The most obvious holes in Bush's official conspiracy theory of 911 are connected with two buildings: WTC-7, ordered 'pulled' by Larry Silverstein; and the Pentagon where the 'debris' recovered doesn't add up to a 757 airliner which would have left behind several times the wreckage that was, in fact, recovered! [See: 911 ] The single engine 'rotor' that was found was only three feet in diameter. If a 757 had struck the Pentagon, two engines with rotors of about 9 feet in diameter would have been recovered. In fact, no other Pentagon wreckage was ever traced to an airliner of any sort.

The main reason for using "dense" or "heavy metal" in new version hard target bombs and cruise missiles is the increased kinetic energy available for an existing delivery system. High density metal (DU is 2.4 x heavier than Iron) means that the same weight length penetrator can be smaller diameter. This is important because new upgrades have to fit the same size missile bodies or bomb dispensers. See the FAS site http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/hdbtdc.htm Research data on ground penetration weapons relates penetration effectiveness to length against cross section area - thinner ones go deeper for the weight, whatever they are made of.

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Ray Louis is an aging, burnt-out, radical activist. He is of the opinion that most people have no idea how harsh and brutal the government is because they have never really done anything to resist or oppose it. While he doesn't at all engage in the level of activism he once did, he still has strong and unconventional opinions. His fear is the Orwellian nightmare coming true (with a mixture of environmental degradation and peak oil as the backdrop).
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R. A. LouisRay Louis is an aging, burnt-out, radical activist. He is of the opinion that most people have no idea how harsh and brutal the government is because they have never really done anything to resist or oppose it. While he doesn't at all engage in the level of activism he once did, he still has strong and unconventional opinions. His fear is the Orwellian nightmare coming true (with a mixture of environmental degradation and peak oil as the backdrop).
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If the subject matter wasn't so grave...

If the subject matter wasn't so grave the hackneyed leaps of logic wouldn't be so disgusting. The twoofers discredit every legitimate political idea they associate with. Their arguments have gotten more ridiculous and faulty over the last 7 years and yet they still don't amuse me any more than they originally did. It disappoints me when I have to see this kind of thing even while perusing a site that I respect. And, frankly, the only effect it has is to make me respect the site promoting this stuff less and less. Promotion of these awful conspiracy theories will cause a site to lose credibility. I am loathe to point out that scores of eyewitnesses saw the plane which hit the Pentagon (unless they are all in on it too) and if I were a first responder to this type of event I'd want to be decontaminated just a a precaution. I refuse to give any more attention to this ridiculously disgusting nonsense.

by R. A. Louis (9 articles, 2 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 58 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 7:29:26 AM
 


Currently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. For those wishing to view my work you can see my latest at: nolvee.com
Mr MCurrently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. For those wishing to view my work you can see my latest at: nolvee.com

Denial is an ugly thing

It's hard to take you seriously.

For one, rather than ridicule, you might want to answer how a 747 does fit into a 16' hole? Or why very little debris was found? Or why no wing damage is observed? Or any of the hundred questions that are unanswered.

No, you'd rather believe bush&co version.

I have a question for you - do you believe everything bush&co says? Considering they've lied about everything one can think of, why than would one believe everything they say about 9/11?

As far as eye-witness accounts there are numerous creditable sources that testify that two planes were observed and coming from different directions than described in the "official" version.

Or perhaps you'd be aware of leaked NIST documents that raise serious questions as to how these buildings fell - but the more important thing is that all the same names keep coming up, from companies, MIC, "black-ops" and government agencies. 
Evidence now shows the same people - the only people - who had access to materials that brought down WTC buildings are the same people who run NIST, came from same MIC connected companies, agencies and "black-ops" groups. Coincidence only goes so far.
Not the rantings of madmen, but hard-core scientists, architects, scholars have examined these leaked NIST documents and applied their own scientific research to have been able to follow chain-of-command evidence back to a handful of companies, agencies and people. If you follow the people who run NIST, they are the same people who headed Thermite research, yet when asked about Thermite act like they never heard of it.
Recently released testimony from over 500 firemen, police and rescue personal, 118 of them testifying to explosives in those buildings.
Recently Barry Jennings, head of Emergency Operations at WTC has testified to being in WTC#7 and witness to explosives in that building before either WTC#1 or #2 fell.
 
Do you not know of Operation Northwood? Operation Condor? The attack of USS Liberty? That Gulf of Tokin was fake? That Reichstag fire was a "false flag"? Do you not know that two other bombs were found in Oklahoma City buildings? Do you not see tyranny when it's staring you in your face? Jesus-H-Christ, this government just said screw the Supreme Court, we're going ahead with our illegal trials at Gitmo anyway!
Groups like Bilderberg exist, yet you have deniers acting like the fact 120 of the most powerful people in the world meeting in secret with Heads-of-State is "no big deal" ... how can this be? No media coverage, nothing to expose that this year both Clinton and Obama meet in secret with these élites along with Sec. of State Rice and head of the FRB Bernanke in direct violation of the Logan Act - so what do they do? Play Bridge? Illuminati exist. Consul of 300 exists. Trilateral Commission exists. Project for the New American Century exists (PNAC) with all the same players now in power that started back in 1997 with their "Statement of Mission" to have world dominance by using a "Pearl Harbor like event" to catapult their agenda. I not making this stuff up! Go read it - it's there. Signed by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowiltz, Fieth, Pearl, Jeb Bush, all the usual suspects.
No sir, it's not those that are asking questions losing credibility and looking ridiculous each passing day, but people like you who refuse to see what's right before your eyes. Do some research and come back and talk. Sight whatever documents and links you wish. Come up with some answers to the questions posed or please stop ridiculing until you can back-up what you're saying. Because as it stands you're the one losing credibility.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 1425 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 8:29:21 AM
 


I'm a citizen and resident of Cascadia - a province of the FORMER USA.

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Other than that, what is there to say? I don't really matter... My vote doesn't even count. ***
And who really cares what I think! So I'm free to think anything.

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The broader story: it's NOT about "me" or my ego or seeing my name in print... I'm a fleeting ephemeral whirlwind of energy patterns and I will soon be gone...

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mrk *I'm a citizen and resident of Cascadia - a province of the FORMER USA.

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Other than that, what is there to say? I don't really matter... My vote doesn't even count. ***
And who really cares what I think! So I'm free to think anything.

***

The broader story: it's NOT about "me" or my ego or seeing my name in print... I'm a fleeting ephemeral whirlwind of energy patterns and I will soon be gone...

It IS about many m...

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Buy Some Shampoo?

Really Ray? Shame on you!

Maybe YOU are the one who is visiting the "wrong website"?

Your little rant is so weak - I'm embrrassed FOR you. Or do you maybe get a check from Karl Rove for lurking and writing such babble?

What can one say to such willful ignorance? ...Except perhaps to offer some personal hygeine advice: buy some shampoo -  because if you ever get your head out of there, you'll probably want to wash your hair!

 

 

 

Stunning!   

 

 

 

by mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 295 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 1:49:49 PM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Re:: Ray Louis

If the subject matter wasn't so grave the hackneyed leaps of logic wouldn't be so disgusting.

Nice going! You START off with a fallacy. Clearly --I should not expect much.

The twoofers discredit every legitimate political idea they associate with.

Another STUPID fallacy! Are you trying to set a record for your ilk? I've seen better from other kiss ups! But --keep trying and I am sure with another dose of brainwashing you won't disappoint. The liars are probably grooming you for even worse!

Their arguments have gotten more ridiculous and faulty over the last 7 years and yet they still don't amuse me any more than they originally did.

Then why don't you try actually REFUTING one for a change. Put up or shut the fook up!

It disappoints me when I have to see this kind of thing even while perusing a site that I respect.

Again --why don't you actually refute as opposed to labeling, ad hominem, name calling, insulting, lying, indulging in obfuscation, characterizing without facts or evidence!

And, frankly, the only effect it has is to make me respect the site promoting this stuff less and less

I frankly don't give a damn about what propagandist think of my site. Again --if you have an argument, a refutation, a SINGLE FACT, then let's hear it!

Otherwise you are a total waste of time.

Promotion of these awful conspiracy theories will cause a site to lose credibility.

Now you've really proven yourself STUPID!

What is a rag tag gang of 19 Arab terrorists if NOT a conspiracy?

Really, you utterly disappoint and you are completely out of your league. You don't have an original or a valid idea in your pin head. You could have saved yourself a lot of time and trouble by merely cutting and pasting the 'script' that is handed down from the GOP. Ummmmmm...maybe you did precisely that.

I am loathe to point out that scores of eyewitnesses saw the plane which hit the Pentagon (unless they are all in on it too) and if I were a first responder to this type of event I'd want to be decontaminated just a a precaution.

Cite one! Just one! And while you are at why don't you demand that Bush release EVERY PHOTO that was taken of whatever it was that crashed into the Pentagon that day!

Explain why HE HASN'T already done that!

Explain WHY an innocent man would cover up the absolute PROOF OF HIS INNOCENCE. You can't! If you had been able to do that, you would have. You didn't!

I repeat: ONLY THE GUILTY HAVE AN 'INTEREST' IN COVERING UP A CRIME.

I repeat ---put or up shut up!

Your post is just a string of utterly meaningless insults and fallacies! Typical of your ilk! Typical of the party and president that you apparently defend.

I refuse to give any more attention to this ridiculously disgusting nonsense.

That's the smartest thing you've said today! Probably the ONLY smart thing you've ever said.

by Len Hart (131 articles, 172 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 543 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 8:11:38 AM
 


anna van z publishes The Mills River Progressive, a blog dedicated to progressive news and views. The MRP is based in the mountains of Western North Carolina.
annavanzanna van z publishes The Mills River Progressive, a blog dedicated to progressive news and views. The MRP is based in the mountains of Western North Carolina.

Government Drones Posting Again...

Where are these many witnesses? Who are they? Where is the videotape that shows a passenger jet hitting the Pentagon? Why is the opening at the impact site so much smaller than would made by a passenger jet? You should probably just stick to the Faux News/Pentagon propaganda sites - it seems that the discussion of the obvious, giant gaping holes in the GovCo version of events is too threatening and uncomfortable for you.

by annavanz (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 22 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 10:21:37 AM
 


B.Soc.Sci (Aus). Helped start an Organic Food Co-op and a Local Energy Transfer System (goods & services exchange, no cash). Lived near permaculture's Bill Mollison for a time, saw semi barren land transformed into gardens and orchards. Worked in a Community Support Center. Currently in NZ/ Aotearoa.
AuroraB.Soc.Sci (Aus). Helped start an Organic Food Co-op and a Local Energy Transfer System (goods & services exchange, no cash). Lived near permaculture's Bill Mollison for a time, saw semi barren land transformed into gardens and orchards. Worked in a Community Support Center. Currently in NZ/ Aotearoa.

And why was this tape destroyed?

"Six air traffic controllers provided accounts of their communications with hijacked planes on Sept. 11, 2001, on a tape recording that was later destroyed by a Federal Aviation Administration manager, according to a government investigative report issued yesterday. "   - Washington Post, May 7, 2004

And why so thoroughly that it was "crushed..  cut into small pieces and deposited into several trash cans" ?

www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A6892-2004May6&notFound=true 

 

by Aurora (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 345 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 7:57:52 PM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Re: annavanz

it seems that the discussion of the obvious, giant gaping holes in the GovCo version of events is too threatening and uncomfortable

I think you hit the nail on the head. The big give away is the proclivity of 'government drones' to post 'key words' and phrases that obviously originated in focus groups or were 'vetted' by GOP consultants.

If the posts were longer --it might even be possible to do a 'statistical study'. Certain 'key words' will appear more often in posts by government/Bush plants.

That said --let it known that we are ON TO THEM!

by Len Hart (131 articles, 172 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 543 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 10:56:30 AM
 


A concerned citizen that has researched enough to know what is really going is NOTHING like what we are told by the media.
Roger ThomasA concerned citizen that has researched enough to know what is really going is NOTHING like what we are told by the media.

Where's the video Louis?

Oh yes, the witnesses saw 'A' plane, but was it a 767? The photo doesn't lie, that rotor is NOT from a 767 now is it Louis?

Also, where are the videos of the event.  The most protected building in the world and NO VIDEO of the crash. Yeah right, tell us some more lies. Nobody is buying this horse**** anymore.

 

by Roger Thomas (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 41 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 11:11:06 AM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

video and pix

Indeed! The Pentagon may have been the most surveilled buidling in the world. The 'controversey' could EASILY be put to rest!

IF Bush were innocent, he would simply release the photos and vids and that would be that!

Worth repeating: guilty folk have a stake in NOT releasing the evidence, as even Justice Scalia conceded Bush had a 'stake' in stopping the recount of votes, or, as Scalia put it in Bush v Gore: "continuing the recount' would have harmed Bush!

On the other hand, IF Bush were completely innocent, he would simply have NO REASON whatsoever to continue to withold evidence.

There's also the possibility that all those photos that MIGHT have proved him innocent have been destroyed.

911 was a crime.

The destruction of relevant evidence is itself a crime. If the photos were destroyed, who ordered it? When? Did Bush order it?

Certainly --911 is a crime that is still being covered up. Those demanding a real investigation are targeted for ridicule by partisan shils, script pushers, the Bush administration itself.

My position is simply this: let's look at ALL the evidence and prosecute the mass murderers to the fullest extent of the law.

by Len Hart (131 articles, 172 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 543 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 11:35:57 AM
 


B.Soc.Sci (Aus). Helped start an Organic Food Co-op and a Local Energy Transfer System (goods & services exchange, no cash). Lived near permaculture's Bill Mollison for a time, saw semi barren land transformed into gardens and orchards. Worked in a Community Support Center. Currently in NZ/ Aotearoa.
AuroraB.Soc.Sci (Aus). Helped start an Organic Food Co-op and a Local Energy Transfer System (goods & services exchange, no cash). Lived near permaculture's Bill Mollison for a time, saw semi barren land transformed into gardens and orchards. Worked in a Community Support Center. Currently in NZ/ Aotearoa.

Capt. Wittenberg, USAF: "I flew the two actual aircraft"

Video interview 9/11 Ripple Effect 8/07: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's.  And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky.  I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."  http://americanbuddhist.net 
-- Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Retired commercial pilot.  Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years.  Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777.  30,000+ total hours flown.  Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).  Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions.

by Aurora (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 345 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 3:36:24 PM
 


'The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.' Thomas Jefferson 1787
Munich'The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.' Thomas Jefferson 1787

Re: "Why were 'first responders' de-contaminated

Thank you Len for another in-depth and very informative article.


I was reading Mr. Ray's bio where he laments that "his fear is the Orwellian nightmare coming true" and yet he still believes the so called "official" 9/11 fairy tale, this charade which the American people have been spoon fed from day one by a complicit and corrupt corporate media.
Mr. Ray doesn't want the Truth which is out there for the media to cover and all for all America to see. However, the won't and that is what's needed if we are ever to right this sinking ship called the United States.  

Meanwhile our country continues to crumble. Today the Dow down another 350 points with a barrel of oil over $140. The corporate elite just continue their pillaging of th is country and planet while the good folks of this country, many of whom don't even have a clue as to what is happening, sit back and take it on the chin.  If they only knew! If they only knew!


Sadly, all is not well in America. We're now living in an alternate reality, one intentionally created for us by the corporatists.  It is high-time the people of this country were informed of the 9/11 Truth and demanded better from their Representatives in Washington so that we may take back this once great country of ours before it is too late. It might already be.

by Munich (0 articles, 66 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 830 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 4:05:15 PM
 


Currently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. For those wishing to view my work you can see my latest at: nolvee.com
Mr MCurrently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. For those wishing to view my work you can see my latest at: nolvee.com

It's getting interesting ...

one thing that we need to do is pick-up the pace.

9/11 is probably the one thing that could bring down the whole cancerous elite power-structure that has caused most of the trouble over the past few centuries ... once enough of the masses are convinced that they've been had they'd be a titanic shift

but none of this is easy, most of us have estranged family, friends, endangered or lost jobs, been ridiculed, laughed at or even attacked over spreading what is known now of 9/11 - if you truly believe you have the truth none of this should faze you by now, so there is only one thing to do - try harder - make 9/11 DVD's and mail them out to professionals, they'll be the most influential, architects, engineers, and join Mark Dice's efforts at

http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/

sending packages to troops.

We have a slim chance to do what needs to be done, but it surely won't get done if we don't try.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 1425 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 8:41:51 PM
 


Just an ordinary nobody who's glad he took typing in 9th grade.
Alan WilliamsJust an ordinary nobody who's glad he took typing in 9th grade.

Decontamination for what, exactly?

Len, you don't appear to have any supporting documentation for whatever decontamination that was done being for purposes of radiation, unless I missed it. It is really surprising to you that an environment contaminated with jet fuel and combustion residue, not to mention burning bodies, would be one that called for some kind of decontamination station?

Also, even if it was done with an eye on radiation, there may have been some question in people's minds whether this particular airliner employed depleted uranium counter-weights.

If you're really wanting to get at the truth of flight 77, you need to buy and read the book: Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11.

Has it ever occurred to you to actually talk to or at least spend a lousy 20 bucks and read the accounts of someone like this author who was actually there on 9/11? Or do you think the preferable research method is to simply speculate and scare from afar, using out of context snippets and unsupported ideas about decontamination and DU?

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 648 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 4:57:06 PM
 


Erik Larson, Human Being and concerned Citizen. Member of 911Truth.org Advisory Board. Opinions expressed here are my own. I only advocate and practice non-violent methods of social and political activism & change.

Recommended links:
9/11 Family Steering Committee Review of the 9/11 Commission Report

http://www.911truth.org/downloads/Family%20Steering%20Cmte%20review%20of%20Report.pdf

JusticeFor911.org Complaint and Petition
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Better World OrderErik Larson, Human Being and concerned Citizen. Member of 911Truth.org Advisory Board. Opinions expressed here are my own. I only advocate and practice non-violent methods of social and political activism & change.

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9/11 Family Steering Committee Review of the 9/11 Commission Report

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second that; where's the link to the decontamination?

not saying it didn't happen, but it's not like it's all over the media, like Britney driving drunk (or asking why WTC7 collapsed Free Bees Funky Disco - 9/11 Staying Alive - BANNED-REPOST! youtube.com/watch?v=tDdnq6IWWSA )

And how do you get that decontam is only for radiation; it could also be for bio or any toxic chemical 

by Better World Order (4 articles, 417 quicklinks, 27 diaries, 881 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 11:08:41 PM
 


Ray Louis is an aging, burnt-out, radical activist. He is of the opinion that most people have no idea how harsh and brutal the government is because they have never really done anything to resist or oppose it. While he doesn't at all engage in the level of activism he once did, he still has strong and unconventional opinions. His fear is the Orwellian nightmare coming true (with a mixture of environmental degradation and peak oil as the backdrop).
http://nihilo0.blogspot.com/

R. A. LouisRay Louis is an aging, burnt-out, radical activist. He is of the opinion that most people have no idea how harsh and brutal the government is because they have never really done anything to resist or oppose it. While he doesn't at all engage in the level of activism he once did, he still has strong and unconventional opinions. His fear is the Orwellian nightmare coming true (with a mixture of environmental degradation and peak oil as the backdrop).
http://nihilo0.blogspot.com/

To laugh, to cry, or to be furious?

You are totally wasting your time by talking sense to the twoofers.  You might as well be trying to convince fundmentalists that snakes don't really ever talk or that drinking blood isn't the best of ideas.  The twoof movement has basically become a religious movement and your sensible questions will only be answered by bluster, aggression, and general nonsense.  If only we weren't talking about thousands of dead people.  

It's the level of faith that these twoofers have which I'm finding funny today.  Do they consider one nut who only believe half the nutty story an ally or a poor misguided shill (possibly in on the conspiracy)?  What does it take to be a true believer?  Somebody probably believes it was like the moon landing and the towers are still standing.  

But really... your question was the same as one of mine -- and it went completely unanswered (despite being the title point).  And now some folks are claiming that witnesses to the Pentagon attack either don't exist or, of course, those witnesses must just be in on it.  Sick and ridiculous.  

The funny thing is that I despise the atrocious things this government has done (and continues to do) and I am quick to remind people of such things (like the Tuskegee experiements and the plutonium tests, for examples).  If anyone checked out my articles and other comments they'd see this.  But, according to the twoofers, I'm a brainwashed government drone secretly posting tested buzz words to thwart their efforts at expressing the "truth" (which they can't even agree on amongst themselves).  It really is one of the best laughs I have in my day.      

Now, aside from the jokers allowed to post here, I do have pity on some of the twoofers.  They have invested too much of their time and personal credibility to take another impartial look at the reality of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.  It's sad really.  If they ever entertained the possibility that they were swept away by the illogic of their movement... it would crush their egos.  Nevertheless, I will post a couple of links for them to go nuts about:

click here 

& here:

click here

by R. A. Louis (9 articles, 2 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 58 comments) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 at 11:58:59 PM
 


Erik Larson, Human Being and concerned Citizen. Member of 911Truth.org Advisory Board. Opinions expressed here are my own. I only advocate and practice non-violent methods of social and political activism & change.

Recommended links:
9/11 Family Steering Committee Review of the 9/11 Commission Report

http://www.911truth.org/downloads/Family%20Steering%20Cmte%20review%20of%20Report.pdf

JusticeFor911.org Complaint and Petition
http://justicefor91...

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Better World OrderErik Larson, Human Being and concerned Citizen. Member of 911Truth.org Advisory Board. Opinions expressed here are my own. I only advocate and practice non-violent methods of social and political activism & change.

Recommended links:
9/11 Family Steering Committee Review of the 9/11 Commission Report

http://www.911truth.org/downloads/Family%20Steering%20Cmte%20review%20of%20Report.pdf

JusticeFor911.org Complaint and Petition
http://justicefor91...

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since you know these things

"The funny thing is that I despise the atrocious things this government has done (and continues to do) and I am quick to remind people of such things (like the Tuskegee experiements and the plutonium tests, for examples)."

how can you be sure the 9/11 attacks weren't allowed to happen, in order to suppress dissent, rouse patriotism, massively increase defense spending, set up a domestic police state and invade countries with geopolitically strategic resources or access?

The 9/11 Commission and NIST report are frauds.

"And now some folks are claiming that witnesses to the Pentagon attack either don't exist or, of course, those witnesses must just be in on it.  Sick and ridiculous."

Exactly, why are obviously intelligent people making outlandish and offensive claims when there's much better evidence 9/11's a lie? Take a break from Tuskegee and google "cointelpro" and "useful idiot" 

http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

 Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

 

 

by Better World Order (4 articles, 417 quicklinks, 27 diaries, 881 comments) on Friday, June 27, 2008 at 5:27:06 PM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Extensive, exhaustive documentation

There is plenty of documentation for that ...and you will find links to it in my article. There is VIDEO of the decontamination procedure as it was taking place. Here is the link that is found on the original article at The Existentialist Cowboy

911 Vérité sur le crash au Pentagone

Also check out the EXTENSIVE documentation that is found on some 44  articles at


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by Len Hart (131 articles, 172 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 543 comments) on Friday, June 27, 2008 at 2:25:07 AM