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September 9, 2008 at 22:05:14

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Conservatives = Socialists

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But not in the western European / Commonwealth sense of the word, nor in the Stalinist sense. But in the National Socialist German Workers Party sense. That is, conservatives believe in socializing the costs of business by using public dollars; in the form of tax loop holes, guaranteed loans, government rebates and abatements, offshore accounting gimmicks, and of course, the always necessary bailout.

Bailouts, what can you say? Big companies hire lobbyists to impose themselves on the citizens' elected officials, who even write legislation for said officials to sponsor. Such as deregulating home loans that allow unscrupulous lenders can make a killing with a variety of increased interest scams on the public - a public who is generally unable to make sense of overly complex mortgage agreements. But when this scam backfires those who got rich disappear and leave the bill behind for the citizens to deal with. Hence the public, once again, covers the costs of the failed conservative "small government" ideal (Fannie and Freddie, Bear Stearns, Savings & Loan, Lockheed, Chrysler, and on and on).

This is a central flaw in the conservative "small government" ideal. It requires total honesty - conservatives tend to reject the notion that bad actors might exist in the corporate world. And so,  it is on this "high moral ground" that they stake their claim, they declare that THEY who are ones who are most moral. And it is they who "think" - while the rest of us only "feel". Conservatives claim that they think in terms of the individual "" and it is liberals who think in terms of groups, but when a bailout is on the horizon they exclaim with certitude, "WE have no choice but to bail them out", "OUR financial system demands it" etc.

Why do people buy into this nonsense? Because these guys also own the US propaganda machine that is otherwise known as the "mainstream media". Foreigners who come to our country are amazed that Americans actually believe the stuff coming out of our televisions and radios.

How did all of this come about? For 20 years following the end of the Civil War, the railroad companies argued, in order to avoid paying state taxes, that corporations were people and that they were being taxed unfairly, and that they should be protected under the 14th Amendment--the emancipation amendment. Even though the Supreme court included prior railroad attorneys they had no success until an 1886 case, Santa Clara County vs. The Union Pacific Railroad. As the case was proceeding, the Chief Justice remarked that all the Justices thought that corporations were persons. This comment was included in the case headnote by J. C. Bancroft Davis, who formerly operated a small railroad company, and ever since corporations have enjoyed personhood status.

This seemingly small detail is at the root of great suffering in the US and abroad. Once corporations were deemed people, then that means they have rights, and can demand access to politicians, etc.

But corporations are not people, because 1) they can be in thousands of places at the same time, 2) they have far greater resources than non-corporate people, 3) they have greater access to those in power, 4) they are governed under a different set of rules, 5) they are not punished the same--if three-strikes-your-out applied to defense contractors, then they'd all be out of business, and 6) they never die. In fact, a corporation will kill itself to serve its bottom line, psychopathologic behavior for sure.

Corporations are not people--the concept is simply illegitimate!

This is our biggest problem in the US. All others can be addressed easily once this obstacle is removed from our democracy. Would universal healthcare not be a reality without big pharma and insurance lobbyists blocking the way? And would higher minimum wages also be a reality? Better education? Stronger environmental laws? etc.

So how do we fix this? It won't happen overnight, but the first step is NOT to elect McCain!

 

houston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.

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I'm a 29 year old male. 
TyI'm a 29 year old male. 

Agree and disagree

I agree that businesses shouldn't be bailed out by the government. I also agree that Corporations shouldn't be considered to be persons. I disagree with how you use the word socialism though. Government bailout of businesses with our tax money is corporate welfare not socialism. Corporate welfare is a symptom of corporatism/fascism not socialism. Socialists oppose corporate welfare, corporate personhood, and corporatism/fascism.

by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 868 comments) on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 4:07:51 PM
 


houston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.
Houston Radicalhouston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.

they socialize the cost of business

using public dollars for anything is socialist: whether that money is used for welfare, food stamps, health care, or to bail out private industry

 you don't get it

by Houston Radical (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 82 comments) on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 9:42:48 PM
 


I'm a 29 year old male. 
TyI'm a 29 year old male. 

National Socialist German Workers Party

The National Socialist German Workers Party was the original name of the Nazi Party. The Nazis called themselves national socialists but in reality they were neither nationalists nor socialists. They were corporatists and fascists.

by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 868 comments) on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 4:14:32 PM
 


houston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.
Houston Radicalhouston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.

right, they are fascists

exactly my point, they are only socialists in the way that the Nazis considered themselves socialists - but they are really fascists

Stalinsts considered themselves socialists too, and they were to a point, but I don't think anyone wouldn't agree that the "socialist" government under Stalin was Autocratic first, socialist second.

by Houston Radical (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 82 comments) on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 9:45:52 PM
 


I'm a 29 year old male. 
TyI'm a 29 year old male. 

No to Obama and McCain

We shouldn't support Obama or McCain. They are both corporatists/fascists.

by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 868 comments) on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 4:16:39 PM
 


houston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.
Houston Radicalhouston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.

but they are not the same

if you see no distinction between these guys then you are ignorant

obama is too conservative for me too, but he is certainly no McCain

which one of these guys do you think would be more susceptible to progressive pressure? It is the lesser of two evils, but at least we have a choice in this country. Compare to other countries.

Women fought for 100 years for the franchise. With your attitude they never would have made it.

If you don't help to keep McCain out, then you might as well send your kids to Iran. In fact, get your own ass over there because you'll have been part of the reason he's in charge.

by Houston Radical (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 82 comments) on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 9:50:41 PM
 


I find it hard to believe that the public feels led astray by President Bush for leading us into a war blindsided. Where were you when Bush went to the United Nations for help in finding out if Iraq had WMD's. How many chances did we give Saddam to come clean only to hear over and over again "I need more time, No you can't enter Iraq" How many chances did we give him? If it was up to the Democratic party would we still be waiting?
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don bybeeI find it hard to believe that the public feels led astray by President Bush for leading us into a war blindsided. Where were you when Bush went to the United Nations for help in finding out if Iraq had WMD's. How many chances did we give Saddam to come clean only to hear over and over again "I need more time, No you can't enter Iraq" How many chances did we give him? If it was up to the Democratic party would we still be waiting?
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The Ant and the Grasshopper

I thought the democratic party was socialist  because they want to take money from the rich and give the have-nots what they don't want to work for, with free housing, medical aide and food stamps.  It's almost like the ants and the grasshopper, come winter the grasshopper cried cause he has no food, because he played all summer, so the government steps in and helps mr grasshopper out, kicks the ants out and...

by don bybee (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 206 comments) on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 10:06:15 PM
 


houston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.
Houston Radicalhouston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.

stupid

the myth that there are millions of lazy people waiting around to fleece hard workding americans is stupid

while rethuglicnas don't mind being butt-f*ucked by big corporations, who take lots of public dollars - far more than the small % who might abuse any social program, because of their bigotted perverse world view, they seem to think that it's ok to get raped by big corporations who actually own the propaganda machiines.

yep, very stupid

try looking up "free enterprise" rainman, you won't find any reference to offshore accounting, rebates, or loopholes.

keep sucking that big fat business penis rainman

by Houston Radical (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 82 comments) on Thursday, September 11, 2008 at 8:31:24 PM
 

 

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