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Interview: McCain Fellow Hanoi Hilton POW & Naval Academy Dorm-mate; Why He Won't Vote For McCain

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Butler: Well, that’s my fear, and that’s one of the reasons I won’t vote for John McCain for president of the United States. 

Kall: Now, you said that you heard noises. Did he throw things?

Butler: Well, yeah. We’d hear loud noises across the wall and we’d hear yelling, and then the two roommates would erupt, and usually the other one -- Frank Gamboa was the guy’s name -- would run down the hallway and go to another room. And they’d separate for a while, and they’d make up and get back together. I think Gamboa must have been an incredibly tolerant guy to put up with John McCain as a roommate for those years. 

Kall: Is he still around? 

Butler: He is. I understand that Gamboa is around. He’s a wonderful guy, also. 

Kall: I’m curious – I wasn’t sure I got an exact number. About how many prisoners were with you and McCain in the Hanoi Hilton where you were? 

Butler: We were moved around a lot. This was a fluid situation. I started off in solitary confinement, and then after six months or so I had a cellmate and we lived together for a while. And then we had two more cellmates, and this thing, you know -- but the Vietnamese always kept us separated. They would punish you, beat you, starve you for trying to communicate with another cell, because they wanted to separate and dominate to get political propaganda. So you were separated from other cells, and even when we were in a cell with 40 other guys, they still tried to keep us separated from other cells of 40 guys. 

And the other thing they did was that they separated us by when we came in. So if I was a’65 shoot-down, they didn’t want to put me with somebody from ’67 or ’68 because it would help my morale to know more about what was going on back home.  

Kall:   Wow. So did john have roommates or was everybody kept totally separated from each other? 

Butler:   No, like I said, as time went on we had roommates and he had roommates; I think he had one or two in the beginning and later on like the rest of us he had more roommates, in the end he had 40 or 50 roommates. 

Kall:  Have any of the other Prisoners of War who were with John McCain spoken up? 

Butler:   You know I haven't tried to find out, to tell you the truth. I've just turned 70 a couple weeks ago and I was a POW for eight years and I figured this was the time of my life to say it like it is, and I'm not going to worry about what somebody else says or thinks. 

Kall:   you know it's been said that one of the reasons he went into Iraq was to avenge his father because they tried to kill him. Do you think John McCain could be looking for a win, finally after his Vietnam experience, like W thought to avenge his father? 

Butler:   Oh, gosh, Rob, I don't know, I resist trying to… 

Kall:   Fair answer. 

Butler:   … make an inference by getting inside the guy's head; you know from deep seated motivations.  

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Thanks for getting this interview! I'll post t... by Nicholas Smith on Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:32:28 PM
My niece graduated from the Naval Academy, as did ... by Laurianne Manchester on Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:50:53 PM
that defines the differences between the candidate... by MJ Creech on Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:24:58 PM
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When I was in the patrol bomber VP Navy during the... by John Hanks on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:15:04 AM
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The interview with CDR Butler points up an importa... by Richard Wise on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:03:05 AM