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Kall:   You know, you've talked about him being--engaging in brinkmanship and in wild, crazy kind of behavior, how do you think that would translate into his functioning as a president? 

Butler:   Well, that's a problem I have. Like I said, I really respect him and I have to say that I like him very much. He's a funny guy if you're ever around him, he's got incredible wit, he's funny, he's likeable; if you're with him for a few minutes, you're immediately going to like the fellow. 

Kall:   Yeah, the guy you'd like to have a beer with-- or a couple. 

Butler:   Yeah, exactly. "To have a few drinks with, and interesting…but for me, the only problem I have is that electing a person to be the President of the United States of America falls into a whole different category. It obviates anything like a former friendship or a former liaison or partnership, or family member or anything else; it has to be somebody with special qualifications. I don't see that John has those qualifications; he has a personality that concerns me were he to become president of the United States.  

And the other thing is that it's not just his military service, but what has John done, how does he actualize, how does he take lessons from his military service in terms of how he sees the world today, and I think it's all wrong; I think his lessons from Vietnam are all wrong; he's helped lead us right back into another Vietnam in the Iraq War.

He's a bellicose kind of a guy, he's aggressive, he's a black and white thinker. He doesn't see nuances, just like George Bush doesn't see nuances; he thinks that things are black and white.  

He does his campaigning-- the other day he was being interviewed asked a couple of questions, and he answered, "yes, yes and no." and then everybody clapped, but that's the wrong kind of thinking than we want in the President of the United States; we want somebody who sees the complexity of the World Order. 

Kall:   I'm curious. In his role in the Navy. Did he ever play a role as a leader? 

Butler:   When he came home, I understand that he was the Commanding Officer of a training squadron, a replacement aircraft squadron on the east coast; I believe that it might have been in Jacksonville, but in that squadron he was a squadron commander. And I understand that he was well thought of as a squadron commander. But there again, that job doesn't translate to President of the United States. 

Kall:  What's it involve being a squadron commander? 

Butler:  It's like being a CEO. They probably had multimillions of dollars worth of aircraft and supplies and material goods under his command and maybe a couple of hundred people, so it's tantamount to the military version, if you could draw somewhat of a comparison to being a CEO. 

Kall:   Of a medium sized company, maybe. 

Butler:   Yes, I would say so. 

Kall:   and his reputation was that he did a decent job there. 

Butler:   I heard that; I wasn't there to see or hear; I'm on the west coast, but I heard that he was pretty well received. 

Kall:   And before, you mentioned that he had a couple of crashes or accidents before he was captured? 

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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Thanks for getting this interview! I'll post t... by Nicholas Smith on Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:32:28 PM
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