R.K.: So I guess you kind of answer my question that yes you think that there should be some kinds of studies to do research to identify people and to develop interventions, but you've got a lot of caveats on that and I agree with you 100% and I'm really pleased to get that answer from you. So my next question is have there been forums where this idea has been discussed and explored?
J.F.: Not too much. Most of what is discussed, Rob, is in criminology conferences. It has to do with criminalities. Okay, what do we do with them now? But in terms of this early intervention, no. Very little is done with it and so we're spending most of our time now. I've diverted a lot of my research efforts into putting together these research plans to get to this problem because if not, it's not discussed in comprehensive way and in terms of societies, with different kinds of societies and with different kind of techniques and so no it's not done. Even when you look at the testing of serial killers, it's either imaging or genetics. They don't even do the two together. Nothing is known and we have a lot of ancillaries, side indirect evidence. Your question is, are we directly assessing this in a big way? The answer is "no" and I think that's a crime.
R.K.: And it seems to me that with the numbers that we're talking about, a half a trillion dollars on the very low side and probably over a trillion a years on the high side, which I think is a reasonable guess, the research, what is the research budget annually on looking at psychopathy which is one of, based on just those numbers, probably one of the most acute economic afflictions upon our culture?
J.F.: Yes and there's nothing we can do about it. We know the answer is to avoid the abuse and abandonment early on, we know the answers it's just how to identify them in the right way, you know? With a soft touch, but with an accurate touch and there's almost nothing. I know we've looked at the budgets and when our proposals are being put in right now, we're the only ones that have anything like this. For some reason it's not being looked at in this way. It's hard to believe because we're also looking for, it's a lot of work for collaborators. So we're hoping that we can really get some interest because this is a lot of work and, I agree with you, it's incredibly important and societally and economically and just the human toll is quite extraordinary. And no, there is nothing, almost no money going into it.
R.K.: Less than a billion dollars a year then?
J.F.: Less than a billion? Yeah. Less than tens of millions.
R.K.: Less than tens of, wow. So I made up the decision when I began working on this project earlier this year that this is a campaign that I'm working on.
J.F.: Oh okay.
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