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January 18, 2008 at 07:52:01

Why Should I Vote for Hillary: Hillary Supporters on Facebook

by Kevin Gosztola     Page 12 of 12 page(s)

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KEVIN

So if somebody asks me this what do I say...



Why should I vote for Hillary if she hasn't called for the impeachment of Cheney and Bush?

She's pretty trusting of lobbyists. And I would agree that there are some "good" lobbyist groups if I didn't think those groups do not have any power in Washington anymore. 

I have more conversations. But this seems like a good place to end because I have shown you enough Hillary talk for one article (if you made it this far).

Think about how these conversations worked though and how wrong they are.

Very few were willing to just say to me why they were voting for Hillary. Instead, I got why America should vote for Hillary. That’s very nationalistic and that’s how fascism rises. I am not going to vote for somebody because America needs it. That may be part of my reasoning but ultimately, I have to look at what he or she is going to do for all the people individually around me and see how the impact will be good for the people and not just the nation itself.

Too many wanted to know my preference on the candidates or my leaning (left/right). They know how to talk and what “talking points” to use to get Republicans vs. Democrats to vote.  But as I argued, after seven years of Bush, somebody is right for the job and the rest aren’t worthy. Yet, this is a product of the “lesser of two evils” voting culture in America. The people can tell you why other candidates are worse than the one they support but cannot tell you why one is solely right for the job. Had I pursued people who talked about Obama and Edwards being worse than Hillary, I could have argued that she was no different and where would we have ended up? We would have ended up in one of the most uncomfortable situations we always end up: We’d be thinking Hillary, Barack, and John---that’s all we got---and we’re going to have to make do.

Now, I think it’s extremely enlightening to hear from some that Hillary is not too “aggressive” and wants more “incremental” change. That means she has less of a vision for the future and more of a Washington, D.C. philosophy. She knows the inner workings of government and wishes to work within the system to make change even if it is broken or corrupt. And what change can be produced within the system? I think very little.

Nobody convinced me to vote for her. Nobody really sounded like they were voting for her from the heart and mind except for the one that spoke about supporting the Clintons and being loyal. Other than that, they seemed really weak. Especially the guy who argued about Hillary championing women’s rights

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Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral system, its military-industrial complex, its foreign policy of American exceptionalism, its media which has become the Fourth Branch of government,etc.)
His ambitions have him currently organizing and raising money for a Chicago Conference for Media Reform in April or May of 2009. It will be organized by college students to promote youth involvement in media reform and justice. Those interested in attending or helping with the organization of the program should contact him.

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A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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There was not much compassion either

No sadness or empathy about Waco, Serbian war, war in Iraq and Afghanistan. No  rage towards murder of innocents. No passion really.

Kevin, I do not want to sound patronising  though but many young adults here seem to be 'undeveloped' in the area of good, solid human emotions. They are indeed 'poor spirits'. I am not insisting all of them are but  there is surely a  tendency.  Otherwise they would understand how clisheed they sounded.

This is from a grumpy man:)

 

by Mark Sashine (47 articles, 19 quicklinks, 235 diaries, 3360 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 8:57:52 AM
 


Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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Kevin GosztolaKevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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"Undeveloped" --- I agree

Thanks for reading.

Part of that is a mission to try to uncover the why for voting for either of the candidates who are called "leading candidates" or "frontrunners" now. Why are young people drawn to any of these candidates?

What worries me is these are people who will be the future leaders of America. This is the next generation of politicians and policymakers in America. These people who are volunteers and campaign organizers working on chapters of the campaigns will decide what America does twenty or thirty years from now.

I cannot allow them to be so impassionate, discompassionate, uneducated, and misled. I also cannot allow them to have zero imagination for what could be changed here in America. All of their visions for change are so stunted by reality, a reality that each of their candidates (in this case Hillary) could change or shape because as president they could be that powerful or inspirational.

by Kevin Gosztola (194 articles, 103 quicklinks, 63 diaries, 777 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 9:15:10 AM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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One significant aspect if I may

No arts- no development. The role of arts in the humans development is enormous- arts develop personality. How many of them had seen the Goya's ' Horrors of war'? How many had seen ballet? How many had discused great artists like  Renoir or Monet? How many read  ' The confessions of Nat Turner' Ok, how many of  them  read  ' Common Sense' on their own?

Without this, without  the cultural foundation you get a Zombie.

You have your hands full, Kevin, I have to say. I have a son  and he is in Peace Corps and I see how  very good basically young people suffer because they  just... have not ever been introduced to humanity through arts.

by Mark Sashine (47 articles, 19 quicklinks, 235 diaries, 3360 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 9:25:29 AM
 


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william eldridgeintrepid liberal environmental conservationist living in Chicago,IL

Kudos

Great reading and comments. I'd like to add that I have always equated the Arts with not just personality, but with human dignity. Expression allows people to build and voice their self-worth.

The young are like young of past genreations. They too are duped like adults. 59 million got Bush elected, only a fraction were the young. The building of social capital in our young is lacking. I believe this stems from technology(which decreases social interaction), lack of parental guidance, and education vs. indoctrination.

If schools don't have your children reading great literature like "common sense", "the rights of man," the age of reason," "peoples history of the united states" then it's the job of parents to see they do. however, it pleases me to read more and more highschools are using Howard zinn's "peoples history of the united states" as their history texts.

by william eldridge (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 12:38:48 PM
 


Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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Kevin GosztolaKevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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Not in this Red State

In this Red State I went to school in (Indiana), we used good ol' McGraw-Hill textbooks.

Corporatized learning to make your mind go numb.

And if that wasn't enough to make you dumb in the brain, teacher wouldn't talk about history but instead ask us to fill in worksheets by copying and pasting the words or phrases that needed to be filled in onto a piece of paper.

We called it "busy work." And it does nothing for the mind. You don't learn---you memorize. And you don't critically think---you end up hating thinking.

"Busy work" didn't beat me. But it sure has beaten others.  

by Kevin Gosztola (194 articles, 103 quicklinks, 63 diaries, 777 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 1:50:56 PM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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When my son was studying here

I was amazed by the low level of the ' cutural awareness' of the teachers here in the area of liberal arts.  English teachers did not know other books by Jack London but  Call of the Wild.  Paintings, the whole are of those were never discussed.  Ballet- oh, boy.  Opera- not a chance.  The so- called diversity classes  teaching about other people were a joke.   I always laugh when they mention Dostoevsky as a most popular Russian writer here: he  is one of the most tough writers to read even in Russian, not to mention  English. Hey, how about ' Moby Dick', had anyone ever read this one in original. I recently discovered a magnificent work by Charles Upham about Salem Witches trials and  I ran like crazy to the High School and hollered that that book was to be studied by everyone. Not a chance. 

Of course, arts develop a sense of dignity, sure. Where the  Hell is this sense when our current Pres does not know even English language?Maybe we all wait for Harry Potter to solve our problems?

 

by Mark Sashine (47 articles, 19 quicklinks, 235 diaries, 3360 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 2:05:28 PM
 


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fouA proud gay man

They Sound Pretty Savvy and Smart

Actually, Kevin, her supporters sound pretty savvy to me. Your comments did nothing to diminish their points. And as for being antagonistic, you were. That's the whole point of your exercise as you stated in the beginning. Though not in so many words.

You do seem to be one of those haters. It's a pity.

by fou (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 88 comments) on Saturday, January 19, 2008 at 10:16:08 AM
 

 

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