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How did Zelenskiy win the 2019 Ukrainian presidential bid if Ukraine is a rigidly nationalist country?

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Although the investigation isn't complete, I have uncovered all the working parts that make an impossible story not only plausible but show the election results as the only logical conclusion.

As I was sorting through all the information about the election, I came across the one person whose presence on Zelensky's team as a spokesman told me worlds about what was really going on with the election.

He represented groups responsible for millions of Holocaust deaths in WWII. These groups also killed millions of their own people who were fellow Ukrainians with abandon. According to their own words, they have been waiting to do this again since 2003 when they figured out they cannot convert most families that suffered torture under nationalists to become part of them.

The Russian perspective on passports

Giving foreign passports to Ukrainians isn't a new or controversial thing. It's been going on since 2015 when Hungary decided to protect the rights of ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine. According to EA DAILY, Poland handed out Polish Cards which simplifies immigration by identifying the holder as a Pole. And Romania is offering the same easy passports for Ukrainians.

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For the last 4 years, indignation has been in short supply though. The same can be said about secession talk from the same ethnic groups in those regions. Even Galicia, the birthplace of Ukrainian nationalism wants to get away from Kiev these days. Once again, western indignation is on vacation for the holidays.

On April 25th, 2019 Russia offered passports to the people of Lugansk People's Republic (LNR) and DNR. I contacted Dmitry Polanskiy, the Russian Federation's First Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN about the passports and who can possess one.

Ambassador Polanskiy, without getting too far ahead, is the passport separate from Russian citizenship? I don't understand how but it would make sense.

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Ambassador Polanskiy- In a nutshell - the process lasted some time and ended with President signing this document. No specific timing. And they don't have to denounce their UA citizenship, so in principle, it changes nothing for UA. If they chose additional RU passport they will get things that they didn't have for five yrs - social payments, medical service, etc.

As for Zelenskiy - we need to see. There have been so many conflicting signals during the election campaign. He (Zelensky) will be judged by his actions.

The passport is the same. But in other cases applicants have to denounce their citizenship if they apply for a Russian one.

Ambassador, how do you plan on dealing with the foreigners in the region that have LDNR passports? Are they exclusion from this?

Ambassador Polanskiy- It is stipulated that the decree applies only to Ukrainian citizens living in LDNR.

Following this is the RF's decision to possibly expand the offer of Russian passports to every Ukrainian that wants one. As you'll soon see, the implied protections may go beyond what anyone is thinking right now.

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Volodymyr Zelenskiy winning the 2019 Ukrainian election is equivalent to a Jew whose family was marked for death becoming Fuehrer in a Nazi Germany within 100 years of Adolf Hitler, providing Hitler won the Great War, of course.

When you consider the unlikelihood of this, Barrack Obama comes to mind. He became the US president within 143 years of African Americans being bought and sold and killed almost at will.

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I would guess that the same irony held true for Porky as well?

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Porky has a little more cushion. His Diaspora family are why he got the position. He isn't as much a nationalist as he is a narcissist. He found a great way to make money acting the part though.

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Much appreciated, GE, though I may have to reread it a time or two to fully digest. Thanks.

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Thanks Dan!

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This is all very fascinating to me since my significant other is from Ukraine, and I am now living in southern Ukraine! I will stay a total of 10 weeks. When I was in Kiev, I saw the Maiden Square where many were killed in 2014 during the coup. I watched on TV the debate between Poroshenko and Zelensky. It would have helped if I had understood Ukrainian and Russian language better. I'm studying Russian now. On TV a few weeks ago, I saw a program on TV showing all the areas in Eastern Ukraine that were bombed by the pro-Russian factions, but I did not see any coverage of pro-Russian areas bombed by the Ukrainian government. It made me think that Ukraine has its own versions of Fox News and CNN.

I am learning from Eliason and others about the very powerful Ukrainian National Diaspora, expressed through the Ukrainian People's Republic or the Ukrainian Government in Exile--how it has existed since 1918 and has supported rabid anti-communist groups and movements all over the world since 1918!

It makes me think that if you really want to understand the way the world works, and why it is so messed up, study the history of Ukraine from writers like George Eliason, Eric Zuesse, and Stephen Lendman. Also, St Pete for Peace has fact sheets on Ukraine. It's difficult reading, and I truly understand those at OpEdNews who have expressed frustration in trying to understand all of the complexities on the topic. It's very deep and very fascinating and has scary implications for the world's future.

I told my significant other that an article expressed how Zelensky gave a compliment to Ukrainian heroes and he included Stephen Bandera, but she said it's not true that he supports Bandera, based on comments Zelensky has made on TV. I think it may be true. The OUN are ultranationalist/nazis. The OUNb are those that follow Bandera. The OUNm and OUNz are similar groups, as I am learning.

I think it was George Eliason that told about PropOrNot.com (which made that list of progressive websites to avoid), how it was involved with the AtlanticCouncil.org (an NGO) that sets much of U.S. foreign policy and how the Atlantic Council actually works for the Ukrainian Diaspora! It's amazing that this powerful group, the Ukrainian Nationalist Diaspora, has been supporting, working, and empowering ultra-nationalist groups in many countries around the world ever since 1918! I think I already said that.

I found this website of a group called the UkraineSolidarityCampaign.org which is a Ukrainian pro-labor and Socialist group who made a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUkSUgd-BoE in which they expressed that they wanted both Russia and the West to not interfere with Ukraine. Their poster in the background makes a reference to Russia especially to keep hands off Ukraine. The speaker, Yuliya Yurchenko, authored a book called Ukraine and the Empire of Capital. But she seemed to argue that the 2014 coup was not a fascist coup orchestrated by the U.S. I sent her an email with article references to Eliason, Lendman, and Zuesse. She is a professor taking a leave of absence, but she said she would respond to my emails in about a month when she returns to work. This is a new subject for me, so don't quote me on anything I have said. I hope to learn more.


My partner, a Ukrainian citizen who is also legal alien in the US, is worried about how I am outspoken with my political beliefs. Maybe Ukraine has its KGB secret police, but I really doubt if I am on their radar. She would be upset if she knew I was sharing all of this, so I feel a little guilty. On the other hand, I feel it is very important that I do share my experience.

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I will give you a bit of free and unsolicited advise. If you don't already realize it, the writers you mentioned (Eliason, Zuesse, and Lendmasn) have strong pro-Russian, anti-Ukrainian and anti-American biases. You will never find any articles by these people supporting a free and democratic Ukraine. Their opinions always support and justify Russia's politics and actions and villainize Ukraine. The Ukrainian National Diaspora is not anywhere near as all powerful as Eliason claims. He is using it as a bogey man to promote his anti-Ukrainian views.

Zelensky was never associated with the Ukrainian nationalists. In fact he probably thinks their political positions are far too extreme for him to support. Zelensky does openly support a free and democratic Ukraine. For this political position the writers you mentioned will attack him anyway they can. Being strongly pro-Russian, they can not accept the idea that Ukraine can exist as a free country without Russia.

In Ukraine, as in the United States, you have the right to and are free to express your opinions without fear of repercussions. After all, the writers you mentioned (Eliason supposedly lives in Ukraine) have been spreading their anti-Ukrainian opinions for years without any problems.

If you really want to "understand the way the world works" I suggest you dig a little deeper. Do not rely on OpEdNews (a left wing progressive "news" publication) as the main source of your facts and opinions. There really are no "correct" sources of information. You have to look at all of them. Use your own critical thinking to evaluate if what a source is saying is really true and what its political motivation may be. It may also not be a bad idea to listen a little more to what your wife is saying.

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Thanks, George, for responding. I do try to hear from all sides on issues. I too would like to see a free, democratic, and independent Ukraine that can work with both Russia and the West. Right now it is anti-Russia and very pro-West. On Ukrainian TV I have noticed there are a lot of panel discussions where citizens are sitting in a circle having a heated debate, and the moderator rarely intervenes. I think that is more participatory democracy than what you see on American TV. But regarding the 2014 coup, don't you think the United States played a big part in that? We will have to wait and see about Zelensky. Time will tell.

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The "coup" was not a coup. It was not some small group of people that overthrow the government. It was a nationwide political protest against Yanukovych's widespread corruption and repressive policies. Nobody wanted to be ruled by a president who changed the constitution to give himself dictatorial powers and then proceed to rob the nation blind. When he shifted course and decided not to move Ukraine towards the EU he crossed a red line. The people perceived (rightly or wrongly) that EU membership would better their lot. By taking that last glimmer of hope away from them he started the mass protests that led to his downfall.

When the events of Euro-Maidan started to rapidly unfold it was clear a political regime change was in the making. The U.S. was forced to make a choice: stand with Yanukovych or support the protesters. The U.S. choose to support the "coup" and tried to influence the composition of the possible post coup government. Except for moral support (handing out cookies to the protesters, McCain's comments, etc.) it was not directly involved in the "coup" itself. Even without the U.S.'s very limited support the results would have been the same.

Another point to make is that normal political parties are not very influential during non peaceful times. The more radical groups, like the Ukrainian nationalists and other radical groups, have the much more influence. The U.S. does not support such groups but since they were very actively supporting the "coup", Russian propaganda claims the U.S. was supporting them.

The interim post Yanukovych carekeeper government did include members from such groups but they quickly disappeared when regular elections created all subsequent Ukrainian governments. If the U.S. really supported the so called "neo-nazis" OUN related parties, more of their people would still be in the Ukrainian government. This did not occur and will not happen during peaceful times.

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The coup was a roving band of rabid nationalists. The most support they've garnered at their height is 17% but that was a spike. Only 13% of Ukrainians support anything having to do with government after 2014.

According to John McCain's IRI, Yanukovych was more popular with Ukrainians on the day they were ousting him than any government since. And that's with a margin!

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The EuroMaidan protests began on Nov 21, 2013 and by Nov 30, 2014 it is estimated there were 400,000 - 800,000 protesters. Per Dec 2013 polls (by 3 different pollsters) about half of all Ukrainians supported it while the other half did not.

Given the large numbers of protesters and supporters of EuroMaidan your statement that the "coup" (it wasn't a coup) was a roving band of rabid nationalists is blatantly wrong (click here).

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The mayor of Lvov got a medal for shipping 1/2 of his city over. Hey, wait! Didn't his personal website glorify Adolf Hitler? The whole concept of car maidan is lost on you. In Zaporozhe, thousands from Maidan surrounded 300 townspeople that protested Maidan and threatened to kill them.

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Both those who supported and opposed EuroMaidan had people shipped to Maidan. Many opposition "supporters" freely admitted they were being paid to do this. EuroMaidon supporters, for the most part, did not have to be paid to go there. There were altercations on both sides. Lets not get into a discussion of whose behavior was worse. Both sides had more than their fair share of regrettable incidents. This is what happens when two large groups strongly disagree on sensitive issues.

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Don't pawn this off on the neo-nazis sunshine. We both know they are dumb tools that are used like hammers.

No. The real nazis wear suits and lobby Congress. How else do you explain Marcy Kaptur?

You want to clean up the mess in Ukraine, leave and it will sort itself out.

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Was Amina Okueva was a terrorist or freedom fighter? That is a mater of political opinion. Russia and you think Okueva was a terrorist. Marci Kaptur believes she was a freedom fighter. Kapur's support of Amina Okueva is a recognition of the fact that she had fought against the "separatists" in eastern Ukraine and had received the order of national Hero of Ukraine award. After several attempts Okueva was assassinated by a contract killer sponsored by Russian special services or the head of Checnya, Ramzam Kadyrov (click here).

Kaptur identifies her heritage as being more Polish than Ukrainian. I watched the video of her (click here) and everything she said were things most U.S. citizens would sympathize or agree with. She supports a free and democratic Ukraine. The Congressional Ukrainian Caucus in the House of Representatives and the Senate Ukraine Caucus in the Senate, also support democracy and freedom in Ukraine. In your eyes this makes her and the caucuses OUNb agents. In my eyes they are all American supporters of democracy and freedom that have nothing to do with OUNb.

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My friend, when someone FIGHTS FOR ISIS/IGIL THEY ARE A TERRORIST!!!!

Repeat after me- I pledge allegiance to the flag of...?

Kaptur is Galician and NO most US citizens won't agree that the US should pay tribute to or honor real political nazis.

Kaptur is acting on the behalf of a group that tried to assassinate a sitting Democratic president! What's not to like? Right? Wrong. I'm working toward a goal. I want every Ukrainian monument in the US ripped down.


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Marcy Kaptur's parents were Ukrainians. They relocated to Poland and lived there for years before later relocating to the United States. They considered themselves to be Polish Americans. Kapur was born in Toledo Ohio in 1946 (click here). She definitely is not a Galician (resident of Galicia, a region in western Ukraine) but she does have Polish-Ukrainian roots. Polish people generally have a very negative opinion about the defunct OUNb.

Amina Okueva, a Ukrainian woman of Chechen descent, converted to Islam and, after the U.S.S.R. fell apart, participated in the fight for the liberation of Chechenia from Russia. Muslims there joined ISIS for the same reason Ukrainians had joined OUNb. Both of these organizations gave people a way to fight Russian aggression in their own, ethnically non Russian, territories. Amina's faction was defeated by the Russians and Putin's proxy Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov.

Afterwards Amina, and many of the defeated Chechen Jihadists, fled or went to Ukraine. There they continued their fight against Russian aggression. This time it was in eastern Ukraine. It is absolutely clear that Amina Okueva was eulogized by Marcy Kaptur for her heroic service to Ukraine, not for her Chechen/"ISIS" background.

Marcy Kaptur has honorably serviced her constituents in the U.S. Congress as a Democrat ever since 1982. She is the longest serving woman in the U.S. House of Representatives. You are saying that because she supports a free and democratic Ukraine, she also works for the defunct OUNb. You are wrong. She only works for the American people. This is just your unreasonable anti-Ukrainian bias showing!

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How do you explain Yurash's role as a top advisor to Zelenskiy. George, the last time we did this, I gave you an entire year to open up a real discussion on Ukraine and nationalism. You lied and lied.

You say these things and then the Diaspora acts like the banderites they really are.

George, explain how in one breath your fascist Diaspora can say they are a positive influence and in the next explain Ukrainization is banderizaton?

The Ukrainianization process and work with youth, families and the general population by many formations and organisations that worked on the premise of understanding Ukrainian nationalism as a positive tool to re-engage people, to think about who we are, have started to take effect. No longer do they believe the propaganda that nationalism was fascist and an enemy of the people.

As time moves on, we see that things take a natural course. We see that two wings of the OUN Banderivtsi and Melnykivtsi are working actively on the international level, working in partnership and currently are in strong negotiations about becoming a single entity again.- Ukraine Weekly


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I never lied about anything! Your biased anti-Ukrainian beliefs have made you to so closed minded you can not accept the possibility that others may be telling the truth and that you are wrong. In your mind this makes anyone who disagrees with your anti-Ukrainian ideas a lair.

The many Ukrainian organizations in the diaspora disagree on many issues but they all support the idea of a free and democratic Ukraine. This is a positive political belief. You don't support this so you accuse them of being fascist and enemies of the people.

The various OUN related political parties in Ukraine are small minority parties that, in times or relative peace, have very small political influence. None of them passed the 5% threshold needed to be officially listed in the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election (click here). With such a small political influence the banderization process in Ukraine that you seem to fear so much will never occur. Even if OUN-m, OUN-b and any and all other OUN related parties unite and become one party, politically they would still only be a minor party.

The young Yurash was on Zelensky's campaign staff but that does not mean he was Zelensky's "top advisor". Reply and provide some links that support your statement. I stand ready to be convinced you are right.

If he really is playing such a big role in the Zelensky's presidency why isn't he ever mentioned anywhere? Surely such an important position can not be kept hidden. I searched articles that named possible Zelensky's appointees or Zelensky's supporters but I do not see his name anywhere (click here) (click here) (click here) (click here).

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Yurash isn't mentioned for the same reason that outside of my articles, his affiliations aren't discussed. Now, what you've done is secured his importance enough to hopefully make sure people that want to get to the bottom of things will look themselves.

As far as lying...shame on you for lying again. You spent a year trying to convince people that the Ukrainian Diaspora doesn't corrupt children by making them Nazi tools when all the Ukrainian Diaspora evidence says otherwise.

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And yet while the local neo-nazi kids playing dress-up as OUN leaders can't make headway, the OUN pulls all the strings without having to get their fingers dirty.

Ukrainians deserve a chance to live and raise their kids without being threatened. Get the Diaspora out of Ukraine!

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I am not aware of neo-nazi kids playing dress-up as OUN leaders but do not doubt that this may be true in some cases. Are American kids dressed up as and playing cowboys and indians American's way of training fascists or is it what it really is, kids play based on historical folklore? Ukraine does have cowboys and indians. It does have historical stereotypes in the form of cossacks, prince and princesses, and wartime heroes, including OUN figures.

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The difference between all your rabid fascist diaspora leaders, you and myself is, I've lived on the east and west borders of what will be remembered as Ukraine.

When the Diaspora is done, there doesn't look like there will be anything left to salvage. Roughly 85% of the local population is against their putrid politic for various reasons. A good one is Ukrainians really do want a future. But they won't get it until OUN nazis are pushed out.

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I have some serious questions for you.

Do you or do you not support a free and democratic Ukraine? Yes or No.

Do you believe that Ukraine as a separate country can exist without Russia? Yes or No.

Past and current polls show most Ukrainians believe in these ideas.

If you live in Ukraine, as you say you do, and don't believe in both of these ideas you should leave Ukraine and go someplace where your beliefs would be better appreciated.

Why stay in a place where you would be considered to be a "troublemaker" and possibly expose yourself and your family to the dangers of Ukraine's "fascists". One of the reasons many Ukrainians relocated outside of Ukraine was to escape from persecution by real fascists (communists and WWII Germans). If you believe those really exist in Ukraine you should leave as soon as possible.

I know you won't do that because you don't believe that. You have a more sinister pro-Russian agenda.

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Masnij -Do you (GE) or do you not support a free and democratic Ukraine? Yes or No.

GE-That's kind of a no brainer Taras. I've been writing in support of a free and democratic Ukraine for 5 years. The Ukrainians need to get away from the toxic Diaspora nationalist chauvinist ideas and politics to get that.

Masnij-Do you believe that Ukraine as a separate country can exist without Russia? Yes or No.

Of course, I do. Ukraine should be left to make its own way. That means the toxic Bandera, Melnyk, and OUNz factions need to be pushed out. Ukraine was a great place to live before you all pushed these issues. Now I see it always needed to be dealt with. Glancing over the article, it's easy to see why.

Past and current polls show most Ukrainians believe in these ideas.

If you live in Ukraine, as you say you do, and don't believe in both of these ideas you should leave Ukraine and go someplace where your beliefs would be better appreciated.

Masnij-Why stay in a place where you would be considered to be a "troublemaker" and possibly expose yourself and your family to the dangers of Ukraine's "fascists".

GE- I genuinely like Ukrainians. They are a great people. The Ukrainian Diaspora has nothing to do with the Ukrainians. Just as you pointed out with Kaptur, the Diaspora are a bunch of directionally challenged Poles with toxic politics.

Why should Ukraine celebrate committing the Holocaust? To satsify the needy psyche of a lunatic political group is the only reason.

Masnij-One of the reasons many Ukrainians relocated outside of Ukraine was to escape from persecution by real fascists (communists and WWII Germans).

GE- You are correct for a change. They moved to Berlin to better beg Adolf Hitler for more money and armies even though the war was over in 1945.- from a Slava Stetsko interview.

Masnij-I know you won't do that because you don't believe that. You have a more sinister pro-Russian agenda.

GE- Shoo! Shoo! little fascist!

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So you say you believe in a free and democratic Ukraine. Good. We now have some have common ground to build on.

The main issue I have with you is that you never write constructive or favorable articles about Ukraine on any topic.

It OK and a good thing to constructively criticize current Ukrainian political activity if you disagree with it. Explain why you disagree and suggest how to fix it within the context of current politics.

Constantly smearing Ukraine's overall image by attacking insignificant far right Ukrainian minority parties and the defunct OUNb's wrong doings is hardly constructive. It really does not help Ukraine move forward. You can not positively address current Ukrainian political issues by constantly reliving ancient history. Support Ukraine by writing something positive about it.

I guess I should be glad I am only a little "fascist" and not a big one!

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The article's premise, that Ukrainian Nationalists are pulling all the strings and will control Zelensky's presidency is probably wrong. For a moment put aside all the ancient history and obvious anti-Ukrainian propaganda. Look at Zelensky's campaign staff. You will immediately notice that most of them have Russian surnames and most come from eastern Ukraine. Several of them even worked for Yanukovych. All of the staff seem to have impressive credentials. It is hard to believe such a an impressive group of people would support a candidate that was being controlled by Ukrainian nationalists or even agree to work with a rabid Ukrainian nationalist.

Yurash is a nationalist but he is also a legitimate journalist with jounalistic connections. Obviously the campaign staff knew who Yurash was.If they believed he was a political threat they would have insisted that Zelensky fire him. Instead they continued to work together. click here

Keep in mind that campaign staff are volunteers whose work ends when the campaign ends. Zelensky's real staff will be announced shortly before or soon after the president assumes his office. Only then will it be possible to know if Zelensky is controlled by nationalists (or anyone else) or if he is his own man.

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And yet Yurash is the deputy Director of the OUNb and OUNm controlled Ukrainian World Congress, Kiev branch.

Yurash is also the idiot in charge of the Ukie Intel hackers working for Chalupa that got away from her and into the State Dept Servers.

Mueller's Shaltay Boltay Russian hackers were working for him and the Ukrainian ministry of Information which handles Ukraine's cyber.


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I guess you were correct. Yurash appears to have an important role in Zelensky's presidency. It seems Yurash stopped supporting Poroshenko because he didn't met the expectations of the Ukrainian people.

The revealing 40 minute video below (in English) with three of Zelensky's staff presents Zelensky as being very pro Ukrainian. Is it just a coincidence that the staff members who are being interviewed appear to have what I think are Ukrainian surnames? Yurash comes across as being an intelligent and genuine pro Ukraine political advisor, not the fascist or nationalistic fanatic you suggested he is (click here).

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Oh Taras, welcome back! Taras Masnij= George Masni

This former Diaspora leader is in charge with trying to obfuscate the information that looks unfavorable to banderites at OpEdNews.

They have a small group here trying to rattle anyone that speaks against them or any US policies they support.

Taras, should we restart our interview?


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It is true that I use a pseudonym when writing comments here. That's no big secret. It is a pity you can't even spell my real name correctly! Disproving your half truths is hardly obfuscation. I consider it enlightenment.

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You do realize when I mention rabid nationalists I'm only considering the UCCA and UWC? You are part of that group or were as a state level Ukrainian nationalist leader dear Taras.

For the past 5 years you and your groups have made it clear that unless forced, you will never allow Ukraine to be self-governing. Shame. But many thanks for keeping it obvious.

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What you have said is totally totally untrue! The Ukrainian diaspora organizations (including the UCCA and the UWC) are always promoting a free and democratic Ukraine. Ukraine is in fact a democratic country where the country's political parties and political coalitions, through democratic elections, determine what type of government Ukraine has.

The diaspora supports this democratic process. It does not interfere with or directly involved in any way with this process. In fact Ukrainian diaspora organizations (UCCA and others) encourage and prepare their members to volunteer (at their own expense) to observe Ukrainian elections to make sure no violations occur. According to Ukraine's Central Election Commission 139 Ukrainian organizations sent official observers to the Marc 2019 elections. So it turns out these "rabid nationlists" are protecting Ukraine's ability to remain a self governing country.

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George, didn't you just get done saying the OUN didn't exist? Yet we find the UCCA is OUNb Bandera and the UWC while switching between the two is oriented toward OUNm Melnyk.

These are fascist organizations. After our previous conversations, I am almost completely convinced that the Ukrainian Diaspora thinks chauvinistic nationalism is Democratic with the bid D.

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What I said is that, as far as I know, the original secretive OUNb is defunct. From what is historically known this seems to be true. During WWII and for some years afterwards the fanatical OUNb militarily opposed both the communists and the Germans. Most of the OUNb membership and anyone suspected of supporting it were physically destroyed by the U.S.S.R. OUNb ceased operating a few years after Bandera was assassinated in 1959. The organization then fell into disarray even though some people unsuccessfully tried to continue its original work. When an organization's leadership fails and its membership drops to very small numbers that organization dies. I was never associated with OUNb. I don't know any of its secrets so I can not be 100% absolutely sure it really is dead, but the known history of OUNb strongly suggests this. Today very few if any of OUNb members are still alive. For all practical purposes and intents the original OUNb doesn't exist anymore. Some of it's political ideas however did survive.

There is a world of difference in the agendas of today's Ukrainian diaspora organizations and that of the original militant wartime OUNb. The only thing the UCCA and the original OUNb have in common is that both organizations promoted/promote the idea of a free and democratic Ukraine. Do fascist organizations have democratic elections where actual votes are counted to select their leadership from a wide field of competing candidates? UCCA does.

You refuse to accept the fact that today's Ukrainian diaspora organizations, including the UCCA and UWC, are legitimate pro-Ukrainian political lobbying organizations. They have the support of the Ukrainian diaspora and other groups that support true democracy. Of course there are a few real organizations in Ukraine today that are openly fascist. They have very little political support and are not associated with the Ukrainian diaspora.

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If the OUNb is defunct why is the OUNb the group that demanded Yanuknovych release Tymoshenko from prison? Why are the OUNb leaders also UCCA leaders in America? what you call "pro-Ukrainian" are Nazi/fascist organizations that have a 100-year history of continuity when you count them as next-gen Petliura- Ukrainian People's Republic adherents.

Hitler defined true democracy as integral nationalism. That is exactly what you are doing. Tell me, is Tymoshenko OUN? If not why is the defunct baby killer group front and center in the Ukraine Weekly?


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Here is a wikipedia article about the OUN, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalist . It reports at the end of the article that in late March 2019, former OUN combatants active during WWII were officially granted the status of veterans and will now start receiving veteran benefits, and they will receive the same benefits as the former Ukrainian soldiers Red Army of the former Soviet Union.

However, my Ukrainian fiance's cousin was an officer in the Soviet army when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, and he is still living in Ukraine. He is not happy that the Ukrainian government has dramatically reduced his pension.

This wikipedia article also said that during and after the Cold War, Western intelligence agencies, including the CIA, covertly supported the Organization of Ukrainian nationalists.

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A number of contemporary far-right Ukrainian political organizations claim to be inheritors of the OUN's political traditions, including Svoboda, the Ukrainian National Assemblyand the Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists.[3][nb 4][10]

The role of the OUN remains contested in historiography, as these later political inheritors developed a literature denying the organization's fascist political heritage and collaboration with Nazi Germany, while also celebrating the Waffen-SSGalizien.[3][nb 5] [11]

On the other hand, some scholars argue that political opponents emphasized the far-right or extreme-right aspects of modern OUN descendants for electoral purposes.[3]

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Good points. What's important is that the far-right Ukrainian political organizations "claim to be inheritors of the OUN's political traditions" and are trying to separate their political images from OUNb's "fascist political heritage".

This implies that OUNb is dead and that these groups consider themselves to be new political organizations, not disguised forms of OUNb. I know this to be true for most Ukrainian diaspora political organizations such as the UCCA and the UWC. George Eliason does not believe this. Since the original OUNb really was a secret organization there is no way to convince him he is wrong.

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It doesn't matter what I believe. If the OUN goes to Ukraine from the Diaspora in the US and Canada to interfere in the politics and then does a write up about it, you're denying your part is part of a group insanity.



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George, I can believe that there are Ukrainian nationalists groups that today want to distance themselves from individuals like Stepan Bandera. But here is an article, which you might want to critique, from Global Research entitled US and NATO's Ongoing Support for Neo-Nazis in Ukraine .

The article mentions that the chairman of Ukraine's Parliament since 2016 has been Andriy Parubiy, who is a co-founder of the fascist Svoboda Party. Parubiy had contacts with the president of NATO and he had visited the United States to visit with John McCain and John Boehner, then Speaker of the House. Do you think the United States government was the chief instigator of the Ukrainian coop in 2014?

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By mentioning Parubiy, you are back to a strong bandera supporter. The only thing Ukrainian nationalists want to walk away from is the responsibility for what they did and what they are doing.

If you want to know what happened in Ukraine, it was the Ukrainian Diaspora that pushed the issue, manned it, and funded it. They provided the bullets.

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The OUN is divided into 3 camps OUNB which is bandera, OUNm which is melnyk, and OUNz which housed the government in exile.

There are no other options.


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Your source, Global Research, is a left wing publication similar to Op-Ed news. Its articles are tainted by anti-Ukrainian bias, however everything this article says is more or less true. I would say it is more accurate to describe most of the politicians mentioned here are far right anti-Russian figures.

I would not call them all "Neo-Nazis". This is a derogatory propaganda term that has no real political meaning. In this case it is being broadly applied to smear a diverse group of people who represent a small number of legitimate but minor far right radical political parties. These parties have somewhat differing, unique, and opposing political viewpoints.

The article specifically talks about 9 people. I think only 5 or 6 of them are actual members of Ukraine's 450 member parliament (the Rada). That means they constitute a very small minority in the Rada, much less than similar groups in other European countries. Being a minority, their influence in Ukrainian politics is insignificant but they make very useful bogey men in Russia's anti-Ukrainian propaganda.

I do not agree with the idea that Obama caused the "coup". He may have stated he supported it but he did not cause it. This was caused by a nationwide mass protest against Yanukovych. Some of the people mentioned in the article did play important roles in leading the Euro-Maidan protests, but not as promoters of "Neo-Nazi" politics. They acted more as organizers that helped the mass protesters form coherent working groups designed to better persevere the protesters through the long winter months of the protest.

There are many different stories about the snipers at Maidon. Some say the snipers were hired by the protest leaders to fire on both protesters and police. The intent was to bring the protest to a head. Others say special sniper units imported from Russia were responsible. I don't know if any of these stories are true. So far, five years after the protests ended, no new information has been uncovered but propaganda about this from both Russian and Ukrainian sources continues.

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Taras, John McCain's IRI says you are pretty clueless about these matters. You should apologize for the slight to OpEdNews and Globalresearch. There was little real support for the coup. Even if there was, it was against the constitution. You say you support democracy...come on! We've covered all of this previously right down to the OUN penchant for killing children.

Look close. No support. None at all. Masni, they are telling your UWC and UCCA criminals to leave. Why don't you hear them?


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I will correct myself. OpEdNews and Globalresearch are progressive liberal publications, not left wing publications. They allow left wing writers like you to freely express themselves. If enough left wing opinions are expressed in these publications it is easy to think of them as being left wing publication. As far as saying they have anti-Ukrainian bias, many of their writers do. Publication are judged by what they publish. I call them as I see them so I have little to apologize for.

I don't know what was being measured by this survey. The graph argues against your points. If it shows anything it shows:

1) Pre Maidan (2011-2013) things were going in the wrong direction. People were not happy with Yanukovych's corruption and the low standard of living.

2) During the Euro-Maidan protests and for a short time afterwards people had a glimmer of hope that things would change in their favor and became slightly more optimistic. The blip in the graph shows a slight change in attitude. More thought things were going in the right direction.

3) After the new post Maidan governments came to power people realized nothing had changed. They again believed things in Ukraine were going in the wrong direction.

Except for the period of time during and immediately after Euro-Maidan the attitudes of the people have been flat line pessimistic. The graph shows that people continue to be dissatisfied with the widespread corrupt associated with oligarchically controlled Ukrainian government. The graph shows nothing about people's attitude towards Ukraine's small radical far right partied or OUNb. If you believe it does look at the graph again.

If OUNb was behind the Euro-Maidan protests. Then it can be argued that people started to support OUNb! Since the standard of living did not improve and corruption was not curtailed this "support" soon disappeared. There is no plausible way to show this graph supports your claim. If anything it shows people had more hope with UCCA and UWC support then without it.

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Here is a 63-page conference paper presented to the American Political Science Association entitled The Far Right in Ukraine During the Euromaidan and the War in Donbas . I have only had time to read the conclusion. It seems to support your position that the ultra-nationalists engaged in violence, but otherwise played a minor role in the Euromaidan, which seems to be where you and George Eliason disagree.

In the conclusion of the conference paper, it also said that additional research is needed to analyze policies of the U.S. government concerning the far right in Ukraine. However, in this article What America's Coup in Ukraine Did by Eric Zuesse, which also has a video, the argument is made that the U.S. government played a major role.

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Thanks for this study. The details about the violence that occurred at Euro-Maidan are really complex. This is the closest thing I have seen that reports all the "facts" about the Euro-Maidan violence. Much of the violence is tied to the actions of far right organizations. The killing of civilians can not be justified and the killers should be brought to justice.

Under Zelensky we may see progress in this direction. In many investigations and court proceedings there were no convictions. Two reasons for this are:

1) The evidence was not strong enough to convict.

2) The investigations and legal proceedings were/are controlled by outside parties to serve their own agendas.

Under Zelensky reason 2) should disappear. The truth will come out.

Far right organizations are the first to resort to raw violence to try to settle disputes. They are responsible for a significant amount of the violence that occurred at Euro-Maidan, at Odessa, and in the war in eastern Ukraine. When is the use of violence justified?

Humans have fought wars and engaged in violence since the dawn of time. Why are wars fought and violence used? Is one side always right and one side is wrong? Defending oneself and one's country from various threats is the main justification given for violence. Economic repression (such as that which Yanukovych caused) is the real threat to Ukraine. It caused the Euro-Maidan and subsequent violence. It's also causing Venezuela's current problems.

The Euro-Maidan "coup" resulted in the loss of innocent lives and an overthrow of a corrupt government but did not correct the problem. Economic repression continued under the legally elected but still corrupt governments that followed. Maybe Zelensky will have better luck with this issue than his predecessors.

The report concludes that the far right now has much more influence in Ukraine (I don't believe this) but it also says: "(t)he "Euromaidan" was not a "fascist coup" and the Maidan government was not a "fascist junta" because the neo-Nazi organizations did not have dominant roles among the Ukrainian far righ(t)".

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The other link you provided mostly expresses Eric Zuesse political opinions. I will look the the link and its contents and will reply about it but I already know he will have nothing good to say about Ukraine. He writes at many places and loves to pushes interesting but unproven political conspiracy theories. Sometimes he is proven right but more often than not he is shown to be wrong.

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If political people from other countries legally enter another country and legally and peacefully try to spread their political ideas there, that is in no way "interference".

I think you must be referring to Slava Stesko's move to Ukraine and her political work there. There was nothing wrong with that. She was already old when she tried to promote her revised version of OUN politically but did not succeed. She died trying but the political party she created always remained a small minority party that never gained any political momentum or influence.

It's really hard to successfully build a new political party from scratch in Ukraine. I don't know of any other real outside Ukrainian diaspora "inteference" in Ukrainian politics.

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Taras, bringing fascism and chauvinism into a country you and your fellow nazis never had a stake in other than causing misery is a crime. Bandera had one up on you because the sycophant at least realized Ukraine was a dream getting away from him.

He described his Ukraine as Bukovina and Galicia. They were never part of the existing land mass. They belonged to a different empire. The only thing your people have done is to bring misery and death to the people of Ukraine.


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Sorry you are back on your Bandera rant. I will not defend Bandera's views other than saying that his beliefs might have been relevant in his time in history. They are not at all important today.

Promoting any political views, even unpolular ones, in a legal manner is not a crime. People should be free to make their own political decisions. I do not support fascism and chauvinism and believe most Ukrainians don't want this. I do support patriotism and a free and democratic Ukraine.

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No Taras. You are ignoring the mountain of evidence in the article above. That isn't 1940. It's 2004->.


The Ukraine you support is a fascist enterprise. You've made that clear. Thank you.

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The ordering of the comments makes it difficult to follow you. Are you referring to Roger Copple's links? What article (2004) are you referring to? What mountain of evidence about what?

Ukraine is a fully democratic country and I support its democratic processes. The political ideas and platforms of the dozen or so assorted far right Ukrainian parties never were and currently are not popular in Ukraine.

I have not looked at the ever changing political platforms of any of the far right Ukrainian parties for quite a while now so I don't have an educated opinion about them. I had looked at Svoboda's published political platform back in about 2009 and found I disagreed with many of its talking points. If I had to guess I think I would probably disagree with the platforms of Ukraine's current far right parties.

As long as Ukraine continues to be fully democratic and remains in a relative state of peace it does not mater what these parties say. They are unopular. It also does not mater if they are or are not, if as you allege, "fascist enterprises". The people of Ukraine will not support them so you have nothing to worry about.

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Let's keep it to the current article Taras. Ukraine doesn't qualify as a democracy.

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Are you saying the Ukrainian presidential elections were in some way fixed or unfair? Currently all Ukrainian political parties create and promote their political platforms to try to get the people to support them. The results of these competition determine the composition of the Ukrainian Rada. This is pure democracy in action. It is not yet a perfect democracy because there is a strong Ukrainian "ruling" class that has too much power and is resistant to change. Hopefully Zelensky will help change this.

What, in your opinion, changes does Ukraine have to make to qualify as a democracy?

Would legalizing the communist party make you happy? How about outlawing the small far right parties? The former Party of Regions has managed to politically adapt to the new post Euro-Maidan situation. As long as political changes in Ukraine continues to be determined by the people Ukraine in a peaceful way, by any reasonable definition, Ukraine has to be considered to be a democratic country.

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That's the point Taras. Ukraine's government and political direction were determined in Edmonton and not Kiev. Are you calling Plavyuk liars?

Are you saying Yurash is a liar?

Look, at some point, you have to grow up and take responsibility. I don't see that happening but that's what people do.


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You really think everyone else is an idiot. Look at the article above. Look at Kolomoisky's comment below.

Igor Kolomoisky promises:
IN 20 YEARS WE WILL ACHIEVE 1913 LIVING STANDARDS!

"Maybe we can view him [Zelensky] as an experiment, but it's just that we are in such a situation where it can't get any worse. We are in deep sh*t... It might be necessary to reboot the country, 1917 style. That can happen too. I mean, with the distribution of material wealth we have now, the country might not survive. We might need a fresh start. Do a large scale nationalization, and then we'll start over from there. But it doesn't mean that it's going to lead to Socialism. It's going to be just a reboot."


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Apparently I am not as much of an activist as you are. I don't keep abreast of all facets of Ukrainian politics as much as you do. I didn't know anything about the Chapula sisters until you mentioned them. Thanks for informing me. Even though they are Democrats their pro-Ukrainian work seems to be interesting and effective.

I tried going to informnapalm.com. That is an invalid website. Did you do deliberately provide the wrong URL or was it just carelessness? The correct website to get this "Ukrainian Propaganda" is click here . Thanks again. I was not aware of it.

I don't follow Plavyuk and Yurash that closely and didn't know (I don't believe that) that "Ukraine's government and political direction were determined in Edmonton and not Kiev". Can you provide some links about this? I thought you believed the UCCA and UWC were the real Ukrainian diaspora's OUN fronts. I guess now the diaspora's OUN has moved to Edmonton. Those "rabid" diaspora OUN nationalists must not be very well organized!

Everybody is entitled to an opinion about the future of Ukraine. The future by definition is unknown. Kolomoisky, who recently has been sending most of his time outside of Ukraine, is entitled to his opinion. There are many other who have more optimistic opinions about Ukraine's future.

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When are criminals and murderers entitled to opinions? Last words perhaps?

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