Roger: Well, this kind of effort always comes from the bottom up. I think what's happening in Wisconsin has really inspired people. It's inspiring to know that you can say no to people like the billionaire Koch brothers, that you can say no to people like the governor up there who wants to cut education to help pay for the massive tax cut he just gave away to the corporations in Wisconsin. We've got to build a bottom-up movement around things like investing in infrastructure and taxing the wealthy. Every poll that you see says that we made a bad mistake in letting those Bush tax cuts continue. People don't like the idea that we are having to tighten our belts while the wealthy are getting to take their ill-gotten gains to safe, tax-free investment on offshore islands. It's time for us to invest in the country, and reversing the Bush tax cuts would be one of the best ways to immediately be able to finance the beginning of that investment. Long term, we've got to do the kinds of things that you always talk about, like revising the financial system so that it's once again maximally productive. We've got to invest in technologies that are now being developed only in China. We've got to get green jobs going and develop a new driving force for long-term job creation.
Dylan: And first thing we have to do, it seems to me, is break the stranglehold that the trillion-dollar special interests have on both political parties.
Roger: That's absolutely right. This next election has got to be a referendum about which party has the better plan, not only for breaking the backs of the special interests and their hold on politics, but which party also has the best plan for creating jobs in America. In the last election, Obama said "Have faith, believe in me, and the economy is getting better." The Republicans said, "Send me to Washington and I'll slash the government and that will create jobs." But neither of those plans worked, and now, before the next election, we've got to decide which political party really has a convincing plan to create jobs.
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