And Edwards lest you forget. The people who control these machines would never let anyone who would question,let alone cut back, the Military Industrial Complex receive a winning vote total. John being screwed with Gore and the rest of the country should file a fraud complaint against any black box votes.

Remember Repesentive Randy Cunningham,now in prison for taking a bribe for his vote. He took the boat ,worth about $ 140,000., to throw the vote on a  $141 million defense contract for just one weapons system.

The magnificent , 'merican ,murder machine is humming now baby and they ain't gonna let no stinking will of the majority of Americans,as shown by the actual vote count, choke off that pipeline of blood money.

by tjb (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 255 comments [9 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Jan 9, 2008 at 12:11:21 PM

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So, if there is any possible truth about this fraud, WHERE IS THE PUBLIC CONCERN EXPRESSED BY OBAMA?

I remind everyone that I predicted many months ago the eventual Democratic ticket: Clinton/Obama.

Is Obama a good team player???

by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 9:01:07 AM

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Hillary won because she is the elite's preferred candidate, Obama is not.  He is there to narcoticize, she is there to win the nomination.

by delia (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 112 comments) on Wednesday, Jan 9, 2008 at 12:40:06 PM

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right now..it lets those who control the votes, control who gets the votes..I noticed that Edwards..(and almost all the other Democratic nominess hit their "peak" after only a fraction of the votes were in)...and that is were their numbers stayed through out the entire process....no more votes for any of the candidates, except Clinton and Obama....you mean to tell me that after only 20% of the votes were counted....not any of the remaining votes were for Edwards, Richardson, Kucinich..? I wonder what the "odds" on that are?

by Susan Nelsen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 287 comments) on Wednesday, Jan 9, 2008 at 1:05:09 PM

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Obama's final tally was four or five points from where he was polling the day before. Unquestionably many of his votes were flipped, but not enough to account for Hillary's total. That would suggest a strong possibility that Edwards was also victimized by the fraud.

by John Sanchez Jr. (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 25 diaries, 1791 comments [148 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 10:19:46 AM

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IT's over don't  you get it

They play with the American people like they are toys.

next on the  agenda is a mass wipe out of the economy Depression

all the troops are gone, Black water will march in the streets ,while mexican drug lords  knock down your doors brandishing machetes.

Riots are coming so is marshal law

Fema camps all shiny and new are waiting just for you

the North American  union is coming

" we shall have world govt,  the only question is  will it be by consent or conquest. "

 For American it is conquest  total utter defeat

the troops wont be  coming back  those that  do will be so sick  of sucking up depleted Uranium they wont be much use as a force.

the day of keeping the  vigel on  freedom  has long since past . It is now the day of the locusts, Freedom died along time ago ,your masters now have other plans for you.Boom Boom boom boom Mcain  or Hilary with the god syndrome will be the only choices allowed  for the elections.

I look south and wonder  what happened to America in the last 50 years it has become its own nemesis 

by dave stanley (5 articles, 1 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 286 comments) on Wednesday, Jan 9, 2008 at 1:50:57 PM

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You wrote what could be the issue that puts the fire in the belly's of RP supporters.

by Jeanette Doney (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 307 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 8:09:36 AM

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that this Primary accurately reflected the People's will. 

Obama was ahead in all polls beforehand, and Diebold machines counted the vote. 

Not that Obama can be trusted, with his 356 bundlers- it's just that Clinton and her hubby have proven more thoroughly that they can be counted on to serve the interests of the corporate-military-industrial-intelligence-financial-insurance complex over the public's interest. 

That said, the People still need to turn out to vote, as a testimony against these subhuman corporate criminals. 

by Better World Order (4 articles, 568 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 1110 comments [56 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Jan 9, 2008 at 2:17:46 PM

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after all that's happened, why are they still counting votes?

by Kathlyn Stone (46 articles, 227 quicklinks, 27 diaries, 690 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Jan 9, 2008 at 9:18:50 PM

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Because they can. There's no one to stop them. That there's a vested interest in making sure that "we the people" remain invisible.

It's only those that have spent any time studying history of this country that know this country is a fraud. All virtuous and principled on the outside and all vile and corrupt on the inside. Everything is always skewed to favor those with the money and power - it's simply humane nature. The big dog never gives up the bone to the little dog till he's done chewing out the marrow.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 10:04:55 AM

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In just 8 years we have erased the blood used to defend what was the greatest nation on this planet.

Now we are just like every other third world nations with rigged elections.

by Michael Morris (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 316 comments [4 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Jan 9, 2008 at 9:24:06 PM

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me about this incidence of fraud is that it happened so early in the process. I wasn't expecting it until Super-Tuesday. But I guess the Dems got freakt at the strength of Obama's momentum, so they decided they'd better eliminate him before he pickt up so much speed that he couldn't possibly be stoppt. No doubt the Repubs were party to this fraud, as they, too, would be fearful of that kind of momentum, which could have conceivably carried him straight to the White House.

And tonight the media are playing the role that the Republicrat elite would have them play. They are all debating this huge dislocation between the polls and the results as if it were something they could analyse into making sense.

As I wrote last night, I hate it when I'm right about these things, but I think we can take a Clinton vs. McCain fight for the White House to the bank.

by delia (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 112 comments) on Wednesday, Jan 9, 2008 at 11:43:36 PM

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... they'd make it illegal.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 9:49:12 AM

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http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount

by Chris (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 1:12:26 PM

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why is Mr. Fazzel a convicted drug dealer programming the voting machines for LHS associates ???? I was angry after the results with the NH voters. Now with the news of fraud I am angry with the Paul campaign for the silence on this matter. If RP wont fight to protect our votes now what is to make me think he will fight for us in the whitehouse? I wish I had spent the money I sent for donations to Paul on ammo or food stores. This nation is toast.

by john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 463 comments [24 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 3:26:17 PM

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god knows I love a good hysteria as much as anyone.   but if the neo-cons really control the vote tallying gizmo then, pray tell, what difference could it possibly make which dumbocrat wins a primary because the the tyrant in chief, already selected, will be announced come november and it will be a rethug with a flair for groveling at the feet of corporatism.  the recent congressional elections demostrated that there still is some volitional randomness at the polling place. 

our job now is to work our butts off to see if barrack clinton or hillary obama can betray us the best after we elect one or the other.   our paranoia should not be frivolously squandered until dick cheney flees the US and takes residency in dubai like his boss, the head honcho of halliburton has done, only then can we fret over diebold rigging the election, and even then only if the election is close.

by irwin wingo (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 13 comments) on Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 5:47:39 PM

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Vote fraud, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov't.  Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment  by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save us all.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov't and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

by Lorring II (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 87 comments) on Friday, Jan 11, 2008 at 9:10:48 AM

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I have a feeling.... this being a Nation of unspoken* biases and prejudices that the difference between counting votes and polling in Iowa and NH was this:

In Iowa a Caucus voter had to stand up in front of their neighbors in order to cast their vote.  NH voters stood with a curtain guarding their lip service from their lever pull.

 [*some unspoken louder than others.]

by mrcnw (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Friday, Jan 11, 2008 at 10:46:40 AM

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When these awful machines come into use my district in I doubt I shall ever vote again as I will never believe my vote will be counted as I make it, but rather shifted electronically to someone I would never want to see hold office. Scary science fiction no longer fiction.

by Redhawkwoman (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Friday, Jan 11, 2008 at 6:31:17 PM

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