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September 1, 2007 at 16:06:40
MoveOn Shows Their Bias Again, In Another Flawed Poll by Rob Kall Page 1 of 2 page(s) |
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This is the third or fourth time Moveon has run a bogus poll, setting up the answer by providing incomplete, biased information, this time on a bad bill it looks like they want to support. So they leave out key information, ask members to vote, and if they do, based on the info Moveon provides, it looks like moveon got member support. Shame on Move on. Here's the letter, with one item I'm leaving out-- the link to the option they seem to want their mailing list to vote yes on. Our opinion here at OpEdNews, by the vast majority of our Voting integrity writers and the many non-profit orgs they lead and represent is that the Holt bill is a bad one, that Holt started off with good intentions and was originally supported by virtually all of the groups that now oppose it. But Holt lost control of the bill and let big corporations like Diebold, Microsoft and ES&S to re-write it. The bill, as written, makes official law some very, very bad things. So, please, do vote against this bill. Get the message to moveon that this bill sucks. Even Holt admitted on tape that the corporations "won." Shame on Holt for selling out to his constituents (who are also very, very pissed about this.) Shame on Moveon for only telling a part of the story, one that leans readers towards supporting the bill. Moveon has the ability to enable commenting on their site. WHen they ask people to vote on something they should allow commenters to fill in the blanks that they leave out. But that would indicate a serious intention to play fair. 
After seeing moveon play unfair at least two other times, with polls, I have to wonder what's going on with them. I know they are well intentioned. But they are doing things that are downright unethical, dishonest and wrong. Whoever has led these actions should be removed from their operations. I really want to believe that moveon management has handed this over to some person who has betrayed their trust with bad intentions or poor judgment.
Dear MoveOn member,
With time running out to secure our voting machines before the 2008 election, Democratic leaders have negotiated a compromise version of Rep. Rush Holt's paper ballots bill, H.R. 811.
It's not ideal, but we need to decide if we'll support it anyway. On the one hand, the compromise is imperfect. On the other, it's our only chance to make significant national progress before the 2008 election.
Read more about the compromise below, then let us know if you think MoveOn should support the current version of the Holt bill:
The Holt paper ballots bill has met with strong concern from many disability rights groups because electronic voting machines offered many people with disabilities their first opportunity ever to vote independently. Some technology does exist to make paper ballots accessible, but not all disability groups feel it's adequate.
The compromise Holt bill requires all electronic voting machines to include paper trails by 2008, but it allows the use of cash register-style printers that are not great for reliable voter-verification. Some counties will also be allowed to buy new electronic voting machines.
By 2012, the bill would ban these more error-prone paper trails and require durable paper ballots instead. The bill would not ban electronic voting machines altogether, but it would make the durable paper ballots the vote of record and would require manual audits to ensure accurate counts.
The compromise bill is supported by Common Cause, the Brennan Center for Justice, and People for the American Way—some of the leading groups we've worked with for years to secure voting machines. There are other groups who have long opposed the Holt bill because it doesn't ban electronic voting machines.
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Hi Rob
Yes, I got that phony poll from moveon yesterday. I immediately checked off the NO box and voted. My guess is that most people in moveon will vote yes simply because they do not know the issue in detail. It's too bad that moveon isn't trying harder to educate before polling. by John R Moffett (89 articles, 18 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 697 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 2, 2007 at 6:05:33 AM  (0+)
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these orgs are dinosaurs
Moveon, PFAW, Brennan Center-- they're DLC-CLinton centrists. I think they have problems with self-esteem. They are too willing to give up on issues, positions and candidates who are better. We did the polling last year. People are solidly behind major clean up of voting. Rush Holt really let his constituents and the rest of down. Now Moveon is selling Holt's failed legislation. Bad news. by Rob Kall (952 articles, 4177 quicklinks, 374 diaries, 2087 comments [45 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 2, 2007 at 9:03:33 AM (0+)
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Kucinich bill #?
Would be helpful if you provided more info about bill numbers....some of us might like to contact our reps directly. Claudia by Laudyms (0 articles, 1142 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 708 comments [138 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 2, 2007 at 7:00:08 PM (0+)
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"MoveOn Shows Their Bias Again, In Another Flawed Poll"
I thought Move-On was pretty cool when it first came out. I don't know what happens as an organization accrues some power, but I didn't like their direction and stopped supporting them. 99% of us can (and do) deal successfully on a daily basis with the difficulties of life. But not one in a thousand can handle success without becoming somehow a believer in his own myth. Maybe it's the same with political organizations. Jim Freeman by Jim Freeman (108 articles, 53 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 386 comments) on Sunday, Sep 2, 2007 at 7:27:31 PM (0+)
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Table Holt
The Holt bill keeps getting resurrected. Every time I think it has lost support, it springs back up. Move on, PDA and every other group on the left, including the anti-war groups, need to step up pressure to get this or the Feinstein Bill tabled. The fight for hand counted paper ballots can be successfully fought on the local level, if there is no Federal legislation forcing us to accept machines. Pelosi and Conyers have let us down by not opening impeachment proceedings, but we may be able to save ourselves if there isn't a false flag incident and a subsequent imposition of Federal tyranny. We can save ourselves by hand counting our own votes. Otherwise, the big money will enslave us. by GitarChris (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 142 comments) on Monday, Sep 3, 2007 at 1:52:20 AM (0+)
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The politics of voting rights are so viscous because...
...the stakes are so high. Why wouldn't MoveOn.Org fall victim to this? Oh, maybe because they're the "Knight in Shining Armor" - the good guys/gals. B.S. They're no different than any lobbying group. They get the word from the DNC or the Democrat of the day for them (now who might that be) and they're off to screw America's voting. My question is why aren't the Democrats all over the issue of true verifiable voting - hand counted paper ballots, radically over hauled electronic voting with so many safeguards paper would look easy, etc. I guess it doesn't matter who gets elected as long as the franchise is in tact. Majorities come and go but there will always be a party bureaucracy, they think. The time is now and their response is tomorrow, maybe, if we're just nice and quiet and don't upset the apple cart. Enough already! I'm sick of weak positions from "advocates" of the left. But they're really not left. They started out as an apology group for a guy who was so unimpressed with being president he violated sexual boundaries with a woman half his age. What a foundation? What a group! by Michael Collins (130 articles, 20 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 485 comments [42 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Sep 3, 2007 at 3:16:22 AM (0+)
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