What makes him even more powerful is that, listening to him over the years, one has the impression he was never necessarily a liberal, just an impartial observer moved to express his outrage by what he's witnessed. Recall too that when he started as a sports announcer on ESPN in its infancy, he helped define that station's wise guy tone. I could never have guessed he'd become the Edward R. Murrow of our times. We need K.O. safe and healthy!

by Russ Wellen (58 articles, 1029 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 335 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 8:45:10 AM

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Maybe MSNBC learned something from the heat it took when it let Phil Donahue go around the time of the invasion of Iraq. Donahue hosted the most popular program that MSNBC was airing at the time, yet it feared the wrath of The Regime if it allowed Donahue to continue to question its ill advised exploits. MSNBC has shown courage, thus far, at least, in allowing Olbermann to continue his commentary criticizing The Regime. An even more courageous step that MSNBC can take would be to publicly apologize to Donahue and reinstate his show, even if it had to pay him a higher salary. Rob, you and OpEdNews have given a voice to many people on both sides of issues. It may be an imagination's figment, but it seems that the more truly open a news source is, the more it attracts progressives. This is the case with OpEdNews.com. However, if Fox News wanted to model itself after a news/commentary source that is truly "fair and balanced", it would model itself after OpEdNews. Michael Bonanno

by Michael Bonanno (119 articles, 19 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 152 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 9:48:46 AM

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Rob the following comment really shows how partisan you and this site are. QUOTE "I call upon Democratic legislators in congress to hold independent investigations into the terrorist threat upon Olbermann's life. Right wingers who think they can get away with intimidation of the press, the strongest voice standing up to the administration must see that they put themselves at risk, that they do not engage in their invidious acts with impunity. " unQUOTE So either you are ignorant of similiar atacks against conservative journalists and likley ignore those against the far right. Or you are being a hypocrite and only yell fire when some anti-Bush guys starts whining about how he was attacked/treated/ridiculed. BTW the times cited for ISOLATION due to a possible airborne contagion are not excessive. Nor is the request not to sensationalize the event. Since the perp, most likely a mental case, is only encouraged to do it again. But KO had to go screaming and playing the victim. Except Keith ain't dead or even injured unlike those poor unfortunate people in '01. /As to the other commenterx's statement about this site being "fair and balanced"; only if you view is out there with World Worker's Party.

by Vulture (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 150 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 11:46:19 AM

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Well, this site is progressive-- left leaning. But you'll find articles, plenty of them, criticizing Democrats as well as republicans. So I'll split hairs with you on your accusation. We are non-partisan, left leaning. I have voted for Republicans in the past. Currently, I haven't seen any I could support, but it's possible. Funny. Jerry Falwell said the same thing about Democrats the other day, then gave Joe Lieberman as an example. A lot of sites wouldn't put up with the likes of you-- as long as you follow basic netiquette and don't engage in ad hominem personal attacks, gross lies, etc., I'll leave you on here, though I've had complaints about you and requests to block you. Hell, in nature, we need to face the reality that there are parts of nature we don't like that are necessary. Some even smell. So, keep on posting intelligent, cordial commentary-- and tough but cordial is fine too, and you'll be a welcome participant in the conversation. I have blood relatives who are conservative. We disagree but get along. But your comment on right wing journalists being threatened is interesting. It would be more helpful if you provided links for it, so we can see what you are talking about.

by Rob Kall (952 articles, 4177 quicklinks, 374 diaries, 2087 comments [45 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 12:17:10 PM

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Well you can google anthrax hoax letter journalists But I hope the name Judith Miller rings a bell. And then there was Thompson of the Washington Post. And yes Rush got a letter also. Remember since these are hoaxes most conservatives don't make such a big deal of it. Why because what KO did only encourages more incidents from the crazies. And as for letting me stay around, I guess you have zero interest/reason toward convincing someone not of the same of the value of your position. Like all too many here, your just trying to be the loudest voice in the choir. As I stated in other commments, if you can't convince me that you have a valid point, how do you expect half of America to side with you? And we are the half presently in power and armed (mentioned for all the ranters here who support some fantasical populist uprising to unseat the GWB admin).

by Vulture (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 150 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 2:02:14 PM

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Nah. The right wing is already decomposing in its own stew of corruption and betrayal of constituents. Of course crooked regimes can go pretty far before they fall. Regarding convincing-- I've come to believe that it's a combination of information and readiness to "wake up." Eventually, people hear their last lie that they accept or ignore. Then perceptions and attitudes change. Some people just drink the koolaid, like the folks in Jonestown. Some wake up and run as fast as they can once they realize what they've been supporting. BTW, I have a rifle too.

by Rob Kall (952 articles, 4177 quicklinks, 374 diaries, 2087 comments [45 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 4:43:38 PM

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Rob said "A lot of sites wouldn't put up with the likes of you". Yet you put up with spammers out for personal gain like Reader11722 (0 articles, 11 comments) [all of them pushing his POS book since July] NOTE the POS comment is by people who have read it. And Reader ain't the whole one pushing for material gain around here in the guise of "progressive awareness". So give me a friggin' break, at least I have a clue.

by Vulture (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 150 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 5:49:41 PM

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I have watched you repeatedly voice your narrow views and we progressives welcome all people to our sites. Even the narrow minded sycophants.

by cluelessfl (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 188 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 1:26:49 PM

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Rob, hang in there. Vulturetx is not upset at all that the NY Post did something the FBI and other authorities asked the press not to do. I wonder if the threat had been to Billy O or Rush Limberger Cheeze Ball and if the Washington Post made fun of them in an editorial while ignoring the FBI request to keep the case silent, I wonder if Vulturetx would be as silent about the Washington Post breaking the requested code of silence as he is with the NY Post. Rob, is it not ironic that the right wing talks so much against the "evil insiders" breaking so called secret documents while they care not one wit about the NY Post doing what they have done as they conveniently overlook the outing of Valerie Plame? AND Vulturetx has the guts to call you a hypocrite! Talk about hypocrisy! Wow! That takes gonads, even if the gonads are hydro cells. Rob, two things any one writes about right now are for sure going to draw major fire from the reactionary right for they cannot allow the light to come into their dark closet of lies. Clinton and Countdown are too fresh and they hurt too much: 1. an honest defense of Clinton's setting the record straight on Fox News. 2. an honest defense of "Countdown" with Keith O. The radical right wing reactionaries just hate it when some one simply lists out the facts as they really happened while destroying their spin. Man, do they dread the coming first Tuesday in November. They are so afraid that the Democrats are going to do to the Bush Cheney Chain Gang what the Newt boys did to Clinton: Whitewater, Filegate, and Spermgate. Was it 80 million bucks spent on Whitewater and another 80 million bucks spent on the sperm impeachment? I lost count. Here it comes, Vulturetx! SUBPOENA POWER in at least one House of Congress. JANUARY 2007. I will probably get fired watching so much C-Span.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 972 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 1:55:26 PM

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Prat- Are you trolling on this thread just to be annoying. It appears you have no idea who I am or what Rob and I have publicly stated in the past. I am on record as saying the DEMs will take control of Congress come November. I am personally amused that you put so much stock in congressional subpoena power. Since this admin has already shown that they can not be forced to disclose by claiming exec privilege and national security waivers. And I don't have to defend anyone else's actions. What you and yours have to do is convince me and the others who hold some nominal power of stability in this society that we should go along with your wishes. This site has articles calling for: EU armed intervention Attacking the POTUS supporting a Coup De Etat A seriously farfetched LEO action to arrest Bush and Cheney. Many wishful calls for impeachment that neither the DNC nor any lawyer familiar with presidential history would ever attempt. Ramsey Clark excepted; but only the left takes him seriously anyway and I hope they are humoring the wacko. So based on these examples I fail to see anything but a "progressive" site that abhors having any of its fantasies challenged. As noted by the many and not very varied attacks on me and the few others who dare challeged the status quo around here. And to even dare to state that this site is "balanced" vs. U.S. Political Ideology/Reality just makes the charge hypocrite more apropos. You have a few moderates but that is it.

by Vulture (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 150 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 4:49:10 PM

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Vulturetx, I really do not care who you are. And I really do not care about your thread with Rob. Your comment is placed in the open forum for all to read and respond.If I am not mistaken right below your senseless attack on Rob is a couple words which offers "REPLY TO THIS COMMENT." I replied. If you wished it to be a private conversation then right at the end of his article is his private email address. I have contacted him personally many times about things on which he and I disagree. I would advise you to do the same. Rob and I still need to have a thorough discussion about evangelism and historical Christianity in culture. I still come to the same conclusion that it really appears that you and the right wing are very upset that the Democrats will most likely do to Bush what the Republicans did to Clinton; and I think many on the right know what is going to happen to Bush and Cheney when we learn what happened to the ninety billion dollars which disappeared in Iraq with Haliburton. When that comes to light with the five hundred million which has disappeared in New Orleans there will be a Day of Reckoning with the American people. This is just not a private sexual affair with sperm on a dress and whether or not a President lied about questions which should never have been asked him. This is as serious as bankrupted United States, three thousand United States troops dead, and around almost two hundred thousand Iraqis. We are really interested in finding out about the connections Bush/Cheney has and had with Halliburton. We are interested in what really happened in the Ohio elections. We are really interested in what happened and when it happened with Joe Wilson's report from Niger. What did it say? Was it trustworthy? Who saw it? When did they see it? What was the result? We are really interested in whether Wilson is lying or Dick Cheney is lying. We are really interested in issuing subpoenas to Richard Clarke, Condolessa Rice, Wolfowitz, Powell and the whole herd about dozens of subjects. People must be very careful about telling the truth or lying under oath as Clinton found out and the Republicans will find out if the Democrats get control of either the Senate or the House. There needs to be an airing out of the barn to see who is really full of manure and who is really who they say they are. We need to do this as relentlessly as Helms, Thurman, Hatch, Gingrich, and Delay did with Whitewater, Filegate, and the Monica affair. We need to do this so that the Republican know if they tie up the next Democrat President for the whole eight years as they tied Clinton up with those silly so called scandals and one witch hunt after another silly witch hunt, it is going to happen to the Republicans the same way every time. The Republican need to learn that comity is not something the Democrats should practice by themselves. I can hardly wait for the wails and crocodile tears coming from the right side of the aisle when they get a ten thousand page bill just one hour before the vote while the Democrats have had days to look at it in fine detail. This is basically what has happened for twelve years in the House the Democrats. It is revenge time not for the silly sake of revenge, but to teach a lesson to the Republicans that the minority is not to be shut off from all political intercourse. Who knows maybe with enough real pain the so called compassionate conservatives can learn a little compassion.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 972 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 10:03:14 PM

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Wow Prat ,so it's revenge time. For you to equeate Clinton's perjury in front of a grand jury with partisan congressional grilling on the GWB admin just says so much about your real motivations. And it looks like effective govt is not going be available in 2007 if he DEMs take your lead. /An Congresional inquisition will get no one significant out of the GWB admin. So keep dreaming,some minor staffers may be hung out to dry, but really can't you at least study the history of the GWB admin itself. NAtional security and executive priviliege will be invoked repeatedly and the DEMs will end up looking stupid if they took your advice. // Why does this sound more and more like rabid leftists' fantasies. As opposed to the DEMS taking Congress and becoming a balance to the GWB Whitehouse? ///And the silence about Dean's and Pelosi's nonsupportive stance for impeachment is becoming evem more telling in the articles here. Or should I say delusional wishful denial.

by Vulture (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 150 comments) on Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 10:32:39 AM

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Venturetx, And you call this administration effective government? Have you heard of Iraq, FEMA, International Debt, National Debt, No Child Left Behind, crime rising to new heights? Is there anything working for this Administration but more new tax breaks for the filthy rich and the right to torture human beings as the WW II Gestapo did? You should go into art. You have an unbelievable imagination. You would do great as a fictional writer. As far as delusional thinking, what is it now? Less than forty days until the table is set, but the real run on the table will begin around February 5. We will know by then whether it is delusion or reality. Even Bobbie Woodward who knows he was a major instrument in the run up to the invasion and then helped try to kill the Plame scandal investigation is now pulling in his pieces so he will not be completely shut out of the Democrat circles. I will not buy his new book. He is pure mercenary. Since you take Vulturetx as your handle, you know the media crowd is like a heard of vultures. When they sense the dying, they begin circling the wounded. It looks like the sky is becoming dark with vultures circling the Republican camp. They sense the carnage. MSNBC began the cross over about six to eight months ago and it appears that CNN is joining the feast with GWB as the main dish. I wished Bush and the reactionary right wing Congress had been fair. Lord knows they had ample opportunity, but the radical religious right of Pat Robertson, Jerry Foulwell (I really hate he is a Southern Baptist. I wished he had stayed with the Independent Fightin' Fundies where he belonged. He is trashing up my denomination) would not allow anything but "harem" in the Old Testament sense of the word. The Republicans must be taught a lesson or we will eventually lose this nation to a Bush-like dictator. Just think, the first great document of this wonderful country begins, "We hold these truths to be self evident THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL and are endowed with their Creator with certain inalienable rights." It says nothing about American citizenship. Deny those inalienable rights to them today; they will be denied to us tomorrow-- right to fair trial, right to see the evidence, right to converse with families, right of habeas corpus. I realize it places us at a disadvantage, but I trust the Lord will bless us with victory when we do what is right. He never blesses wrong. As for myself, I had rather be dead than lose my liberty. It is not for sale at any price, especially for my security. OBHG Phil.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 972 comments) on Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 8:18:49 PM

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First silly leftists revenge and now a Godwin. Prat said "and the right to torture human beings as the WW II Gestapo did?" Yeah preatleff let's call the military intelligence guys at Gitmo and elsewhere Goose Stepping Gestapo. Sorry when you go off the deep end and Godwin, there is no hope for dialogue , just ridicule. /And yes I can call a Godwin , I knew Mike back we got people together for the EFF here in Austin.

by Vulture (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 150 comments) on Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 9:00:24 PM

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Venturetx, since you like to make a play on names, would it not be interesting to be as juvenile and change the "e" in your handle to "d"? I will leave that to others. I notice you never answer argument with argument, but with...? Phil.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 972 comments) on Saturday, Sep 30, 2006 at 9:43:52 AM

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excuse me prat but you already did mess up my name so between that and your content , I already assume you are juvenile in your views. It's not like you show any historical perspective on the subect at had.

by Vulture (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 150 comments) on Saturday, Sep 30, 2006 at 1:58:46 PM

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It would be unseemly for Pelosi to push for impeachment, since she would become president if Bush and Cheney are impeached. (Clean up your vomit and keep reading, vulturex) Our polling has shown that impeachment does NOT resonate with voters, particularly independents. But investigations DO. So expect investigations, and then, look out as the maggots pour out of the republican personae.

by Rob Kall (952 articles, 4177 quicklinks, 374 diaries, 2087 comments [45 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 10:21:16 PM

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"impeachment does not resonate with the voters" - Wow Rob you are some spin doctor. Last I checked the american public did not think that the GWB admin had done anything impeachable. AS for your revenge via hearings, I guess whatever makes you happy. The left after being unable to take down Bush-Cheney-Rove-Rice proceeded to reenact the inquisiton and destroy some mid level GOP buraucrats in the name of victory in 2007. This will then loudly be propagandized as a victory over the evil right wing and all who supported them. That is what I am hearing here, Rob KAll. And frankly it sounds way too similiar to the arab warriors after they won a minor battle but lost the war (again). /But at least the Leftist(excuse me progressive) inquisition will spend the energy of the Dems for at least two years. Ensuring that nothing much gets done in Congress. And that is admittedly a good thing given the coming situation.

by Vulture (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 150 comments) on Saturday, Sep 30, 2006 at 2:10:11 PM

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Of course the content of the site is biased. If you do not like what you are reading then just go somewhere else. Go listen to your precious Rush Limbaugh on the radio or something.

by Charlie Hogue (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 7:33:27 AM

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Keith Olbermann was sent a message. The US gov't silences critics all the time. The gov't cages peaceful protestors, bans books like "America Deceived" from Amazon and fires 21-year tenured, BYU physics professor Stephen Jones because he proved that explosives, thermite, in particular, brought down the WTC buildings. Olbermann will probably have a car 'accident' soon. Or maybe the gov't will burn him alive like it did to the people at WACO. Final link (before Google Books caves to pressure and drops the title): click here

by Lorring II (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 87 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 4:33:48 PM

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I am waiting to see how low they will go before the elections. will they go low enough to trigger another "event?" If so, they do indeed belong in jail. Wonder why we don't have more with the courage of Olbermann.

by Devon Greene (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 6:52:22 PM

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Having read all the comments here, then having clicked on the link provided to the video, all I can say is I would love to see vulturetx refute the video and all of the information therein. Sure, you can slam Mr. Olbermann all you want, and in classic Neo-con style, change the subject, but you can't refute any of what was said in that video, nor have you even tried. Instead, you attempted to throw spin around, call names, and generally act like what I would expect a Neo-con who has drank of the Kool-Aide to do, make everyone out who doesn't think like you to be a bad guy in some form or fashion. I also found it rather interesting that vulturetx has a huge number of comments, but not one single article to his credit. Why is that? Have you tried to post one? Or do you do better by slamming the opinions of others than you do by posting an article of you own and having it slammed? Rob, would you post an article written by vulturetx if it had merit? If so, then I challenge vulturetx to give it a go. I am sure you could find lots of things to write about. Just watch Fox News. They are frought with lots of Neo-con drivel. I am sure you could find something to rant about. Of course, you'd leave yourself open to the kind of garbage you throw at others, but you seem to think you are man enough to take it. So prove it! Why don't you take just one of the things covered in the report link and refute it? That might be fun! Or maybe you could cheerlead for a congress that allows torture to be the law of the land, and tell us all how wonderful torture is as a tool of information extraction. There's two ideas right there! I helped you along, so get writing, Bubba! Well? Blessed be! Pappy

by Pappy (61 articles, 0 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 860 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 3:42:47 AM

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Dear Sir. First off, I should tell you that I agree with your assessment that Keith Olbermann is doing an excellent job with his television show. I also agree that some of the sponsors that advertise during his show should be rewarded for their support. HOWEVER, it is important to realize that many of these corporations that you listed routinely contribute heavily to republican candidates. Many of these corporations contribute either exclusively to republican candidates, or disproportionally (at best) in favor of repuglican candidates. I suggest that you refer to the information available at www.buyblue.com for an accurate portrayal of corporate political donations. Sincerely, Charlie Hogue

by Charlie Hogue (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 7:27:29 AM

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When someone does something good, you reward it.

by Rob Kall (952 articles, 4177 quicklinks, 374 diaries, 2087 comments [45 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Saturday, Sep 30, 2006 at 10:58:38 AM

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Rob as usual you are right on in defending K.O. (one of my heroes)Vulturetx,I would say that you've aptly named yourself. I love this progressive site. I live in what at present passes for a red state. Keith Olberman is the ONLY show that I try hard not to miss. He's the only one I watch on MSNBC. I occasionally watch Lou Dobbs, and Anderson Cooper. both on CNN. That is the extent of my cable news watching. I mostly stick to LINKTV, FreespeechTV, Discovery Times. For fun I watch Stewart, Colbert or Maher. I get a big part of my news from progressive blogs, etc. I'd say don't mess with Olberman, he's a hero to a lot of us. He does NOT deserve getting sh*t from any news source or any poster.

by Pat Herrick (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 169 comments) on Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 5:22:40 PM

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I was the person who claimed that this site is fair and balanced. It needn't deny itself its leanings in order to be fair and balanced. Fox news could be fair and balanced while being right leaning. However, if this was Fox News and Rob was Bill O'Reilly, he would have partially deleted the posts that disagreed with him and he would have replaced the deleted portions with the words "Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!" Lying to The Supreme Court about a sexual affair would be less serious than lying to the nation about why, to paraphrase Richard Clarke, we invaded "Mexico" after we were attacked by "Japan". Clinton's lies about his sexcapades didn't cause one death and I don't like that NAFTA pushing, American employee hater. I'm not so much defending him as I'm trying to understand how lies about Iraq which have lead to the deaths of people - death, finality - can even be mentioned in the same breath as the lies that Slick Willie told concerning his libido. Clintion may have been the best Republican president we've ever had.

by Michael Bonanno (119 articles, 19 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 152 comments) on Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 7:36:48 PM

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I just found out about this by reading Rob's commentary, since I don't own a television. I have enjoyed watching Olbermann's clips that PrisonPlanet.tv and InfoWars.com post, I think getting them from YouTube. Olbermann's commentary is very pleasant to see in that ocean of lies known as the MSM. The twisted part about this is you can know it was somebody belonging to the right wing, allegedly the folks trying to "stop" terrorism.

by Mark Anderson (8 articles, 2 quicklinks, 26 diaries, 46 comments) on Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 10:29:33 PM

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It's been great reading all the back and forth comments. Vulturetx even though on his own, has held his own. Pappy feels Vulturetx's opinion doesn't count because hasn't written a column. I guess you are nobody until you have written a story. I'm nobody. Michael B. longs for the Donahue Show, his big eyes always bothered me. Rob, maybe ponder this, a few terrorist activities DID occur on Clinton's watch. Quite a few people did die as a result. Both administrations could have done more. Prat I don't know if you're going to church or a Sheehan campout. I don't think I'll be buying any Cheerio's at the grocery tomorrow(tomorrow's grocery shopping day you know) but I did get a Cherry Lollipop at the bank this morning. Wonder what flavor Keith got?

by sbaker (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 147 comments) on Saturday, Sep 30, 2006 at 4:49:13 PM

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Pappy feels Vulturetx's opinion doesn't count because hasn't written a column. I guess you are nobody until you have written a story. I do? Really? Where in my comment does it say that? I made an observation, nothing more or less. I also challenged vulturetx to write an A-R-T-I-C-L-E, not a S-T-O-R-Y. There is a difference. If you would have also noticed, I asked Rob if he would post an A-R-T-I-C-L-E written by vulturetx, which I didn't get an answer to, but life is like that. By saying what I said about comments versus articles, I was making an observation that those who I see spewing spin, vitriol, and the Fox News sensibility (such as yourself) have no articles, only comments next to their handles. I just wonder why that is. Personally, I'd love to read an A-R-T-I-C-L-E written by either one of you. I don't think I'll ever see one, but I have been wrong before. I'm nobody. You said it. I didn't! I must say that it's the first thing I have seen you post that I do agree with...how odd. I feel your opinion doesn't matter because you haven't expressed one. All you have done is try to stir the sh*t pot with your inane one line responses. I am happy that at least *I* rated three sentences from you. Happy Happy, Joy Joy! I don't think I'll be buying any Cheerio's at the grocery tomorrow(tomorrow's grocery shopping day you know) but I did get a Cherry Lollipop at the bank this morning. Wonder what flavor Keith got? Gee, isn't that just completely juvenile. Next thing you'll tell me is you made poopie in your pants, just like Keith supposedly did...c'mon, I know you want to go there. I do want to thank you, though. Your rantings are always good for a tickle of my funny bone. Don't ever stop. You make the rest of us look positively like Pulitzer Prize winners in comparison. hehehe Blessed be! (and I mean it) Pappy

by Pappy (61 articles, 0 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 860 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 1, 2006 at 4:41:24 AM

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Pappy Sorry first off your response is the juvenile one here. Next Like I said we don't have to write articles espousing our position. We are the present ruling force in the US. If you are to succeed , you must convince us that you arguments have merit. The "progressives" have yet to convince the majoirty of americans, that theirs is a better way. Sinple as that, I don't have to defend myself to anyone here, though I may occasionaly CHOOSE to elucidate on a postion or previous statement. And many here say they don't like it and want me gone. Likely the same people who want the GWB admin gone. And of that group some want the elected DEMs gone also. But unless you lawfully create a transition to where you and yours are the deciding powers in charge, it is our prerogative to deny you. By words, by actions, and by termination if legally mandated. I add that last part for the people here who keep calling for coups, armed uprisings, and inviting foreign powers to intercede on US soil in an attempt to change the government. /From where I sit you can't even win with words. // And I would point out that my words have had an effect. Rob has been doing some editing and deletions. Likely because he has relealized some of his articles'(oh which you place such import) submitters have gone over the line. ///Slashies!!!

by Vulture (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 150 comments) on Sunday, Oct 1, 2006 at 12:49:13 PM

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I must say, and you can choose to believe or not, I enjoy having you here. It's nice to have someone who is "on the other side" who can make arguments instead of writing juvenile stuff. As far as my response being juvenile, I admit that part of it was, and I did it on purpose. Sometimes in order to get the message to a juvenile, you need to go down to his or her level. I think I made my point. The end justifies the means. I'd still like to see you write and article. It would be interesting, if only to see your data, links, sources, and so on. As far as Rob editing and/or deleting articles, he is the editor. There are times that lines are crossed. I have crossed lines on several occasions, although I don't think I have crossed lines here. I am not surprised when I do cross a line, and things get edited or pulled completely. I don't necessarily think it's right or proper, but if this were my site, I'd probably edit or delete if someone crossed over lines of bad taste, vicious attacks, or threats of violence. The only place I post where I know nothing will get pulled is my blog. Goddess knows, I have posted some fairly radical and outrageous stuff there. Oh, by the way, you are not the "present ruling force". You may think you are, but much like Sauron, DUBYA doesn't share power with anyone. You may fancy yourself our local version of Sauromon, but you saw what happened to him in LOTR, The Two Towers. If you didn't the Ents flooded his tower, and imprisoned him there. You, like me, and everyone else here, are nothing more than pawns of the powerful. You may think you have the world by the balls, but you don't. Just because you espouse the "popular" notion of the regime in power doesn't make you a part of it. You are only a supporter, nothing more. So don't make the mistake of thinking you have something over anyone else here. PS, you still haven't told me what "slashies" is supposed to mean. Blessed be! Pappy

by Pappy (61 articles, 0 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 860 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 2, 2006 at 2:47:52 AM

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RELAX pappy. We can see your carteroid artery pulsing. My comments, yes still no A-R-T-I-C-L-E, were only meant to bring a small smile to SOMEOME, and yes a slight dig here and there, but nothing serious. Here's to your Pulitzer Prize. Go get'em tiger.

by sbaker (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 147 comments) on Sunday, Oct 1, 2006 at 8:37:21 AM

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how do you spell someome? I guess I need a dictionary as well.

by sbaker (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 147 comments) on Sunday, Oct 1, 2006 at 8:40:16 AM

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Firstly, my C-A-R-O-T-I-D arteries are just fine, and so are my jugular veins. I am not so sure about my carteroid artery. Even thought I was a supporter of Jimmy Carter, I'd hardly say it created a new and exciting blood vessel in my body. Obviously, you are either psychic, or a vampire of sorts, because with all the extra fat on my body, I can't see any of my blood vessels pulsing...wait, perhaps I am dead and just don't know it yet. Relax? Dude, I was completely relaxed. I have yet to see anything you have posted that has raised my blood pressure to any significant degree. It may have made me laugh either on the outside, or on the inside, but that's about it. I am used to dealing with the kind of posting you do. I ran a BBS (anyone remember those???) in Toledo, and there were a few wannabe Neo-cons who posted their drivel in order to shock, awe, or just be irritating. I ate them for lunch, which may explain my girth...LOL! Yes, a dictionary might be a good thing, but you could also use MS Word to write your stuff, and be sure you have it set to automatically spell check. Once that's done, you could simply cut and paste into the space provided, and no more spelling worries. That's one of the secrets of my writing, that and an anal attention to editing after the fact. You are welcome to dig, or do whatever you wish to do with your writing. The right to freedom of speech is still somewhat in order, even though DUBYA and his hoods have tried to squelch that part of the constitution as well. Just know and realize that myself and others like me are just as free to call you on the carpet. Finally, sure, I'd love to think my writing is worthy of a Pulitzer as much as I'd love to think my orginal music and recording techniques are worthy of a Grammy or two. Personally, I'd just like to be able to make money writing or making music. But since I don't see that happening, I am just happy that I have the mental capacity to do both and garner some measure of praise from each. By the way, you still haven't told me how asking a question and following it up with a parenthetical statement admitting my knowledge of President Clinton's "impeachment" might be flawed qualifies as "twisting the truth". Of course, my request by someone who might know factually whether or not his impeachment was official or was stopped in process has yet to be answered as well. Such is life. Blesssssed be! (hmm, too bad this site doesn't have a spell checker) Papppppy

by Pappy (61 articles, 0 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 860 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 1, 2006 at 12:33:48 PM

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Man Pappy, you must not have anything else to do. I write a couple simple lines and you GO OFF! Yes, we can see your CAROTID (thank you for the spelling tips) arteries pulsing, you're not that fat and your heart is pumping MAD BLOOD. I guess I shouldn't take a chance with my spelling, but I don't really want to spend too much time on these C-O-M-M-E-N-T-S. Now if I was writing an A-R-T-I-C-L-E like Pappy, now that would be different. Golly, you can do that with Word? I am going to rite that down write now so I don't forgit. I wish I could just have the computer copy the instructions for me. Regarding Clinton's impeachment, yes, he was impeached on 2 articles. Perjury and Obstruction of Justice. Final vote split pretty much down party lines on both articles, I think it takes 2/3's majority, but I'm sure you will correct me if I am wrong

by sbaker (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 147 comments) on Monday, Oct 2, 2006 at 10:27:11 AM

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Man Pappy, you must not have anything else to do. I write a couple simple lines and you GO OFF! Yes, we can see your CAROTID (thank you for the spelling tips) arteries pulsing, you're not that fat and your heart is pumping MAD BLOOD. I go off? I don't see how that is. I answered your questions, and made comments, and a few digs of my own. That's not going off. Going off would be an unending litany of expletives (cuss words) and personal attacks. As far as I can tell, I didn't cuss, but I admit I did go for a bit of a personal attack. You get what you give...see below for further amplification on this point. You don't know me from Adam. I am what could be called morbidly obese, and have been for almost the entirety of my life. About the only place on my body where there are visible blood vessels are on my hands, mostly due to the extreme workout they receive while I am practicing or playing the harp. Before I played the harp, there were no visible blood vessesl on my body at all. Add this to the fact that we are in contact via the internet, and there is no literal way you can see me at all. Even though the picture that shows up next to my comments and A-R-T-I-C-L-E-S is recent, it doesn't show me as I appear at this moment. I am sure then you must be attempting to speak metaphorically. In that case, you are still off base. I am not mad at anyone, except the Chimp in Chief. I might add I am not mad at you in the least. If anything, I am amused by you no end. Reading your writing has given me many moments of unending humor, mostly because you take yourself way too seriously. If it weren't the case, why would you believe that everything I write in your regard is a personal attack. Oh sure, I have done a dig or two, but let's be real. You are a faceless, nameless entity whose words I read when I come to this site. To me, you are nothing more than a string of ASCII characters on my monitor screen. You aren't close to me. I have never seen you before in my life. I lived forty-four years without even knowing of your existence, and I will probably live a few more decades never meeting you. Do you really think you are that important to me? Sheesh, talk about pumping mad blood! I guess I shouldn't take a chance with my spelling, but I don't really want to spend too much time on these C-O-M-M-E-N-T-S. Now if I was writing an A-R-T-I-C-L-E like Pappy, now that would be different. Now who's showing mad blood? Golly, you can do that with Word? I am going to rite that down write now so I don't forgit. I wish I could just have the computer copy the instructions for me. hehehe you see! An unending source of amusement. The pirpusfll mispelings R almost funy. Ov Coorse, ewe mite treye a litul harder. Regarding Clinton's impeachment, yes, he was impeached on 2 articles. Perjury and Obstruction of Justice. Final vote split pretty much down party lines on both articles, I think it takes 2/3's majority, but I'm sure you will correct me if I am wrong Now for that further amplification I spoke of earlier... So I was correct in the fact that the articles of impeachment were written, but failed to go anywhere. Just as I thought. You see, if you would have just answered my initial question instead of saying, "Pappy sure likes to twist the truth, doesn't he...", perhaps this debate could have died before it began. I will remind you at this juncture of that statement. You were the first one to throw shade, not me. I was asking a question, and instead of answering it, you had to make a pronouncement about me that was, in fact, untrue. As far as I am concerned, you opened the floodgates. I merely followed in kind. I am sorry if that burns your delicate wings, but perhaps you should take it as a lesson to not jump to conclusions, or make assumptions about people without all the facts, like the butt pipes at Fox News. So just remember, you were the aggressor in this war you think we are having. You character assassinated me without just cause, and because of your inability to read and understand the difference between asking a question and making a statement. As far as I am concerned, you opened yourself up to my scorn, not the other way around. If you'd like to call a truce, I'd be willing to cool the engines. Until that time, I will respond in kind. Oh, and just so you know, debating you barely even raises the hair on my hands because of the breeze blowing off my typing fingers. It sure as hell doesn't raise my blood pressure, or make any "mad blood" flow. And to answer your first statement last, I do have a lot to do. I have to keep sending out resumes, work on theatrical lighting systems as they come in, work on the production of my next musical project, watch and read the news so I can stay abreast of what's going on in the world, and come here to write articles or comments. Believe me, that's a lot to do in one day. It's a good thing I taught myself to type while running my BBS, or I'd be here all night typing my epistles. Blessed be! Pappy

by Pappy (61 articles, 0 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 860 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 3, 2006 at 1:18:23 AM

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VERY interesting article, however, for citizens outside the U.S. none of the contents come as a surprise, just more of the same we've been conditioned to expect emanating from the lunatic asylum they call the Whitehouse. What I found far more revealing and illuminating, were the comments posted here responding to the article. It would appear people are becoming more and more beligerant and nasty, (I know everyone's gonna hate this next part) very much mirroring the situation in Europe just before the **** hit the fan big time. So the signs are very clear, of the coming darker days we'll have to endure. Americans that have(belatedly)woken up to what's going on, be advised, no matter what the lunatics say, the bottom line is; "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL THEY GIVE UP THEIR CONTROL OR POWER" You have just witnessed your country turning into what you've always pointed the finger at in the Soviet Union, and not turned a hair at it's passing, some of us outside would see this as complicit with the lunatic fringe in power over there, and accordingly, as history so faithfully records, such a administrations have always,(despite their greatest efforts to prevent it) come to a sticky end, then when finaly realising what was about to happen, prepared to bring the whole World down with them.

by Eddy Schmid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 234 comments [17 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 5, 2006 at 11:35:57 AM

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