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January 6, 2008 at 15:45:53

FOX News Excludes Paul from Debate; NH GOP Backs Out; Paul Says FOX is 'Scared' and Holds TV Event

by Rev. Robert Vinciguerra     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

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Get all that?

So, here’s the story: Faux News is having a New Hampshire Republican debate before the primary. They're only inviting Romney, McCain, Huckabee, Thompson and Giuliani, but not Ron Paul or Duncan Hunter, and there really is no good reason for it.

The move to exclude Hunter is understandable. I personally don't understand why Hunter's still in the race, but whatever. Excluding Ron Paul, on the other hand, doesn't make much sense.

There are basically three criteria (that I can think of) which would make it reasonable to exclude a candidate from a debate. They are: Polls, Fundraising, and Performance.

Well, the reason for Paul’s exclusion can't be polls. A Rasmussen Survey released on January 5th puts Paul dead even with Huckabee, the winner in Iowa, for fourth, and above both Thompson and Giuliani, who are invited. Other polls released the same day place Paul in fifth place by one to two points. No matter which poll is used, Paul is still ahead of one of the candidates that FOX invited.

As for fundraising, it can’t be that either. Having raised $20 million dollars, Paul is quite likely the current Republican fundraising leader. He has surprised everyone time and again by smashing fundraising records and raising enormous amounts of cash.

It also doesn't seem to be performance, and by that I mean performance in past contests, the only one at this point being the Iowa caucuses. In Iowa, Paul received support from 10% of caucus goers.

Ron Paul’s Response

So, what is it then? What can it be? If you ask Ron Paul, he says it's because Faux News is "scared" of him.

"They are scared of me and don't want my message to get out, but it will," Paul said at an event in the Granite State. "They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."

Paul alleges that his position opposing the Iraq war, a position that is singular to him in the GOP field of candidates, is a key ideological reason why Faux News has excluded him.

FOX, in the meantime, has refused to elaborate on Paul's exclusion, only to say that the trailer they're using is too small for more candidates, to which I can only respond with one word: "Wow!" Are they serious? And if they are, why not bump a candidate with worse fundraising and lower poll numbers in New Hampshire?

In absence of a reasonable and logical explanation from FOX, it does appear that Paul's accusations, which can often times be wild, contain validity in this case. It does not see that there is not a "good" reason for FOX to exclude him – the reason being kicked around that because FOX’s agenda doesn’t match up with Paul’s is more and more believable, and it seems now to be likely.

Which also raises the point, should FOX be allowed to continue to operate under a banner of "Fair and Balanced?" They clearly have a political agenda. I don't see any reason why they should not, by law, have to register with the FEC for basically contributing to the Romney, Giuliani, Thompson, Huckabee, and McCain campaigns.

As for the New Hampshire state GOP? They smell a rat too. Where once they co-sponsored tomorrow's debate, they now curse it for excluding Paul and Hunter. The GOP state party chair said that Fox should include all viable candidates, and FOX isn't doing that.

“The first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary serves a national purpose by giving all candidates an equal opportunity on a level playing field," said Republican chair Fergus Cullen in a press release. "Only in New Hampshire do lesser known, lesser funded underdogs have a fighting chance to establish themselves as national figures."

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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

They're Afraid

They're afraid Ron Paul will wake the people up.

That's what they're afraid of. 

by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 890 comments) on Sunday, January 6, 2008 at 3:59:18 PM
 


MD, tennis bum
RGMD, tennis bum

GOP now

Didn't the Democrats refuse to debate on Fox?   The Republicans if they showed a shred of dignity would do the same.  Fox  really ought to dress their "newspeople" in scary clown costumes.

by RG (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Sunday, January 6, 2008 at 6:00:51 PM
 


Skin diver, spear fisher, trash collector, roughneck, scuba diver, football player, tennis player, mechanical engineer, aerospace engineer, husband, father, math teacher, fisherman.
Paul RyeSkin diver, spear fisher, trash collector, roughneck, scuba diver, football player, tennis player, mechanical engineer, aerospace engineer, husband, father, math teacher, fisherman.

The Public Loses

It does make a certain perverted kind of sense that Kucinich was omitted from a debate (ABC) where he would have had the opportunity to discuss his foreign policy, and Paul will be omitted from a debate (Fox) where he would have had the opportunity to discuss the war against drugs. http://stopthedrugwar.org/taxonomy/term/152.

The public deserves to hear Kucinich’s views on international trade agreements as well. I don’t think Clinton, Obama, or Edwards oppose GATT, NAFTA, etc, and the public deserves to hear a contrary opinion concerning international trade agreements.

As a side note, the New Hampshire GOP just withdrew its sponsorship from the Fox Jan. 6 debate: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/new-hampshire-g.html.
I would like to think that they are really standing up for a fair process, and maybe it is unfair, but I cannot help but think it is a cynical gesture.

by Paul Rye (6 articles, 1 quicklinks, 13 diaries, 253 comments) on Sunday, January 6, 2008 at 7:00:10 PM
 


Just some software developer / real estate investor who is interested in seeing America reach her 300th anniversary intact.
Louis NardoziJust some software developer / real estate investor who is interested in seeing America reach her 300th anniversary intact.

Money Talks

When you're filling your car with $3 gas and buying some $2.65 a dozen eggs, remember who is running on stopping deficit spending. The war for oil is what caused prices for anything that eats grain to skyrocket. When THOSE prices rise, the fresh fruit seller raises his prices again, now you have some nice $5 a pound grapes in the market. Laugh all you want, it's YOUR money being spent. YOU'RE the one going to pay $250 a week for groceries. Still think Ron Paul sounds like a bad idea? He's the ONLY candidate, Republican or Democrat that is running on reducing your cost of living. Maybe you have plenty money. Me, I'm not so rich.

by Louis Nardozi (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 29 comments) on Sunday, January 6, 2008 at 7:30:05 PM
 


Lending/political fraud investigation.
Greg CollinsLending/political fraud investigation.

Re: Money talks

I couldn't agree more the welfare state establishment is very afraid of Ron Paul

So why would so-called conservatives ban him? He doesn't follow the corporate welfare agenda. Corporate welfare and social welfare the Democrats and Republicans both support the big government big debt, big spending agenda no matter what they may say.

 

The corporate oligarchy/democracy hybrid government doesn't want to lose the 400 billion a year deficit funding cash cow. I hear many on the left complain that the half trillion we have spent on the war in 5 years could have been used for education, housing and medical care but consider the same amount spent every single year on servicing the debt as business as usual and a worthwhile part of the income redistribution system.

 

This makes no sense to me how is it that someone making $100,000-500,000 is a social criminal who has more than they deserve but it's ok for the government to have a direct deposit account set up by the IRS to transfer our assets to the lenders? 

 

Am I in that income group no and don't care to be  but I would far rather work for a local small to medium business that be forced to work for a corporate dictatorship, and nothing's wrong with corporations making a profit either as long as it's serving us and we voluntarily pay for goods and services we need.

 

I can't see where any issue is more important than kicking our deficit habit and reestablishing a savings based economy and property rights for common people.

 

Some people may think transforming the U.S. into a third world nation buried in debt make be a great idea to get the terrorists to stop hating us for our freedom and prosperity but I'll take a pass on that, and accept a good economy instead. We can always figure out what to do with our money once we have to much. 

Thanks Louis Mardozi for hitting the nail on the head. 

by Greg Collins (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, January 6, 2008 at 8:38:22 PM
 


This quote summarizes the nature of my concerns and the content of personal experiences which stir my activism:

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement on human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves". --Paul Revere, House of Commons

Kathryn SmithThis quote summarizes the nature of my concerns and the content of personal experiences which stir my activism:

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement on human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves". --Paul Revere, House of Commons

There's never a "reason" to oppress free speech

Hello folks

I am going to be honest that this article, while well-intended, really pisses me off.

There is *never* any "good" reason to oppress free speech (especially for a news media to do that) and to control the American free electoral choice. Never should any media have the power to pick our next president for us.

The polls have nothing to do with free speech and free American choice of their next president. The issues have nothing to do with it. The "reasons" are nothing but (let's call it what it is) *excuses* and *abuses of power* and what really pisses me off is that we Americans are saying "it's okay because of x, y and z as reasons to explain it".

Baloney!

This is why fascism is taking over America.

Because we Americans a) aren't thinking and b) are rationalizing it all in our own brains.

Just wait until things get so bad that you can't even breathe the word "government" in public----or your own livingroom----without fear of jail and torture. Such is *the norm* for *the ordinary citizen, not the big fish in the pond* in dictatorships.

I am not speculating and neither am I spouting fear. I am speaking from experience. I witnessed only a few things while living next door to the Iron Curtain (which makes me no expert and far less experienced than many who lived there and others who know much more than I do). But believe me, those few experiences were enough. Friends of ours were threatened with death based on free speech.

Do we really want to "explain" the "Reasons" for things like the above? Do we realize what we are inviting into existence as we do so?

Put on your thinking caps, American fellows. Don't invite dictatorship and for heaven's sake don't rationalize or give it permission to exist, with your "reasons" for why it could be happening!

The Media is the perfect place to invite the beginnings of censored free speech. To cut out any Candidate is to censor free speech. It is to control the choice AMericans have over who becomes the next president. It is to buy more wars, to buy more theft of civil liberties, to excuse and provide reasons why free speech is curtailed.

DUH!!!

 

by Kathryn Smith (85 articles, 2 quicklinks, 35 diaries, 323 comments) on Monday, January 7, 2008 at 9:49:51 AM
 

 

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