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February 4, 2008 at 07:33:07

Talk of Imminent War Against Iran Amid an Attack of 'Coincidences'

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The "coincidences":

  • A series of internet disruptions due to cut telecom cables that has cut Iran off the Internet!
  • Israel is not affected.
  • An Iranian Oil Bourse, where oil, petrochemicals and gas will be traded in various non-dollar currencies, is set to open this month.
  • Israelis have been told to prepare for war, presumably with Iran
Before leaving the Middle East, Bush is reported to have promised Benjamin Netanyahu that the US would join Israel in a nuclear strike on Iran. In Israel, there is talk of a "...a rain of missiles" for which Israelis must prepare now.
Speaking on radio as part of a military propaganda offensive, retired general Udi Shani said: "The next war will see a massive use of ballistic weapons against the whole of Israeli territory."

Shani was tasked recently with drawing up a report on the way the military authorities operated during Israel's 2006 summer war against Hezbollah in Lebanon.

During that conflict thousands of rockets hit Israel, but were limited to the north of the country from where hundreds of thousands of people were evacuated.

The character of war has changed, said the general.

"Strikes to the rear must now be taken into account -- that is what will come and we must prepare in a totally different way for this eventuality," he said.

--Israelis told to prepare 'rocket rooms' for war

By the time the following dispatch hit what was left of the internet, it was clear: the world is under attack by organized coincidences:
DOHA (AFP) - An undersea telecoms cable linking Qatar to the United Arab Emirates was damaged, disrupting services, telecommunications provider Qtel said on Sunday, the latest such incident in less than a week.

The cable was damaged between the Qatari island of Haloul and the UAE island of Das on Friday, Qtel's head of communications Adel al Mutawa told AFP.

Cables were also damaged last week in the Mediterranean and off the coast of Dubai, causing widespread disruption to Internet and international telephone services in Egypt, Gulf Arab states and south Asia.

The cause of the damage is not yet known.

--DOHA (AFP) - Qatar reports new damage to Gulf undersea cables

It is amazing how much damage can be done by a rogue coincidence.
A repair ship was expected to begin work to fix the two cables in the Mediterranean Sea on Tuesday. They were damaged on Wednesday, rupturing connections not only in Egypt but also thousands of kilometres away.

--Qatar reports new damage to Gulf undersea cables

The sub-plot that ties all these "coincidences" together is the planned opening of the Iranian oil bourse where petrochemicals, oil and gas will be traded in non-dollar currencies. Iran Finance Minister Davoud Danesh-Jafari has said that the bourse will be open during the Ten-Day Dawn, ceremonies marking the victory of the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran. There's more at: Oil Bourse

Making these developments especially ominous are Bush's repeated threats and promises to Israel that he will join a nuclear attack on Iran. I wonder if this improbable attack of the cable killing coincidences, denying oil traders access to the net, is enough to delay the opening of Iran's planned oil bourse.

Given the precipitous fall of the dollar, only idiots will not consider the effect that an Iranian oil bourse will have on a war-mongering US.

Bush, of course, denies that his wars of aggression have anything to do with oil and, in a very, very narrow technical sense, perhaps not! They are, in fact, motivated by the fact that over the course of a century, the US economy was utterly dependent upon the availability of cheap energy, initially from West Texas, but later, the Sheikhs!

One wonders what goes on inside the heads of blithering idiots, primarily those who wage war upon their own people, those idiots who threaten the world from atop a precarious perch. So precarious the American position --one wonders if impeaching and removing this blithering idiot now is simply too little too late. Even now, however, good people are morally bound to oppose Bush even if it is with a dying breath beneath a mushroom cloud!

 

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Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

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Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

It's all about "oil"?

The U.S. is committing national suicide over "oil"? Our rulers are willing to strap a "suicide vest" onto the U.S. and push the button so they can drink "the oil"? Alas, if only we can taste that delicious oily goodness just once before we go down in flames and explode?

They're willing to destroy the dollar (and with it, our economy), alienate the whole world, take away what's left of our measley "Constitutional rights", and possibly start a nuclear WW3, all over "oil"?

Are there any historical examples of countries completely destroying themselves over an unnatural obsession with a commodity? Not that I'm aware of.

So I suppose I would have to disagree that any of this madness we're witnessing is primarily about "oil".

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 450 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 9:32:18 AM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

You are correct...

And thanks for your comment.  As bad as greed is the sheer desperation seen in US "foreign policy" ---if you can call it that!

The dollar has taken a beating under Bush; an Iranian oil Bourse will trade OIL in every other currency but bucks. Is there any doubt that the dollar will collapse? Things were different when the US actually produced oil and, even in decline, provided a convenient "international currency". You can thank Bush for fucking all that up. Who in his right mind would sell oil for bucks now?

For some reason, even so-called "liberals" don't get it.  Nixon's taking the US OFF the Gold standard should have been a clue. But going back on it now will only seal our doom.

Tax breaks for people who might want to buy "metals" will, likewise, finish us off because it is an incentive to dump dollars. Adios, folks, the US was a good idea but as Gore Vidal made abundantly clear: the US empire ended when the US became a net debtor nation.

When the Praetorian Guard auctioned off the Roman Empire, Didius Julianus paid for it in Greek currency --drachmas. The smart money had already dumped Roman currency. The empire hung on for a while after that but today things move much more quickly.

by Len Hart (124 articles, 159 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 489 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 11:26:23 AM
 


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Yes, it's about oil (and much more)

It's not all about a commodity, Harold.  When the U.S. went completely off the gold standard, the U.S. dollar essentially went on an oil standard, due to a secret agreement between the U.S. and most Middle Eastern countries.  In exchange for technical know-how/assistance and military protection, most oil producing nations in the region agreed to always sell their oil for dollars and always buy the U.S. national debt, to prop up the dollar.  After that, all nations that needed oil had to keep a reserve of dollars.

That is how the U.S. became the undisputable reserve currency in the world.  As 60-70% of all currency in world use is U.S. dollars, U.S. banks and the world economy depend in large part on the continued stability of the U.S. dollar.  A lot more is at stake here than pleasing the U.S. consumer at the gas pump.  There is a lot of money to be made in oil, but oil is a finite resource.  Get people hooked on the U.S. dollar and debt and you can make money forever.

With cracks appearing in this system, it is no wonder why the U.S. is militarily committed to the region no matter what the U.S. public thinks.  Our boys are their policing the world monetary/banking system based on the U.S. dollar.  Ever wonder why Government officials keep saying with a smirk, we have a "strong dollar policy" no matter that the dollar has been dropping for years?  They are trying to keep it's value from dropping through the floor.

Why would that happen?  Well, two countries that didn't buy into the whole Petrodollar racket were: Iraq and Iran.  As an aside, Venezuela didn't either.  If Iran opens its oil bourse, takes all currencies for oil, and other nations follow suit, then the U.S. dollar's goose is cooked.

This is also why Venezuela's Chavez is so steamed up, why he bought an extra 100,000 AK-47s from Russia, and why he is tight with Iran.  He knows he's third on the U.S. hit list.

by Paul Rye (6 articles, 1 quicklinks, 13 diaries, 253 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 5:14:58 PM
 


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Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

No, it's not about "oil" nor about saving the "petrodollar".

Do you really think that Neocons care about the U.S. economy? Of course not. They're all about destroying Israel's perceived "enemies" in the Mideast.

Neocons don't care about what's good for the U.S. economy, they care about their delusion of a greater Israel.

The U.S. has had many chances to be on good terms with Iraq and Iran (and the rest of the Arab/Islamic world for that matter). In the last few years for example, in an effort to establish better relations with the U.S., Iran has apparently repeatedly tried to initiate dialog. The U.S. has rebuffed every attempt.

Even Saddam Hussein offered oil deals to the U.S., to stave off an invasion. The U.S. refused.

If the U.S. was not a puppet state of Likud-controlled Israel, the dollar would likely not be in such trouble right now in the first place, and the Mideast (and the rest of the world for that matter) would not be full of people who justifiably hate the U.S.

Bombing Iran will not stop the collapse of the dollar but will likely accelerate it by causing among other things a coordinated attack against the dollar.

An attack on Iran may also quite possibly destabilize Arab puppet governments still under U.S. control e.g., Saudi Arabia. Moreover, Hugo Chavez will almost certainly stop selling oil to the U.S.

An attack on Iran would be an act of national suicide. Everybody knows that, including the Neocons. But Neocons don't care what happens to the U.S. What they care about is pursuing their PNAC agenda of destroying Israel's enemies before the U.S. Empire declines and Russia and China rise to the extent to stop it.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 450 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 6:57:45 PM
 


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It's about power and the source of that power

I didn’t say the Neocons care about the U.S. economy.  What I said is “they” care about the dollar and policing the world monetary/banking system.  “They” aren’t just neocons.  “They” are not really even Democrats or Republicans.  Do “they” wish to destroy Israel's perceived "enemies" in the Middle East?  Perhaps, if it serves their interests.

Some of the neocons care about some Israelis’ delusion of a greater Israel, but within the “they” I’m talking about, those neocons, those Israelis’, and Israel are just a few of the players.

Yes, the U.S. has rebuffed every attempt by Iran to initiate dialog in recent years, but the game plan was set before that.  There are many factors involved in the Middle East, Israel is not calling all the shots, and Israel is not the tail wagging the dog (the U.S.). 

It would not have mattered what Saddam Hussein offered the U.S. to stave off an invasion.  He was suckered into Kuwait by a guaranty the U.S. would not intervene in the first place.

The U.S. is not a puppet state of a Likud-controlled Israel, although it is true the Israel-lobby wields undue influence on U.S. foreign policy, and our support for Israel does make us a target for Israel’s enemies.

The U.S./NATO bombed and invaded Afghanistan, the U.S./Britain bombed and invaded Iraq, and the dollar did not collapse.   If the U.S. and/or Israel bomb Iran, the dollar still will not collapse.  Most other countries will not attack the dollar as a collapse of the dollar and the world economy based on it would hurt them too, the exceptions being Venezuela and maybe Russia.  China  is less likely to join in.

But, allowing Iran to proceed with selling oil in any currency and Venezuela too, would do even more damage to the U.S. dollar.  Russia just might join in.  With Iran planning to announce the opening of its oil bourse within days, not a month, the timing of the Internet cutoff makes even more sense.

The “they” I’m talking about does not intend to commit national suicide to destroy Israel’s enemies.  They never have.  They do not care very much how much the U.S. people suffer, but they do care if the dollar and the Western monetary/banking system falls, because that is ultimately the source of their wealth, power, and control over the U.S., Europe, Canada, Japan, much of South America, and it even gives them significant influence in Russia and China at this time.

by Paul Rye (6 articles, 1 quicklinks, 13 diaries, 253 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 11:24:30 PM
 


'The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.' Thomas Jefferson 1787
Munich'The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.' Thomas Jefferson 1787

Re: Talk of Imminent War Against Iran

Thank you Mr. Hart for this sobering article.

I am utterly dismayed that more people haven't responded.

Something does appear to be brewing. And don't think for one moment that, God forbid there is another "moment" on our so called "homeland" which would then be used as the catalyst to validate any preeminent attack on Iran, that Internet service here in the U.S. wouldn't also become snarled or disrupted. 

Meanwhile, a reticent and complicit corpstream media is filling the airwaves with yet more mindless Britney Spears and Natalie Holloway blather.  A good portion of the American people have already fallen down the rabbit hole. What this media is doing is criminal! They're dumbing us down to a level where there'll be no decent. Also, everyone needs to take a good look at the skies. Those aren't normal contrails. It appears they are "culling the herd."

It is just so dam pathetic!

Martial law, it ain't gonna be televised. 

"Overgrown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty." George Washington, 1796.

by Munich (0 articles, 53 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 739 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 11:11:18 AM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Re: Talk of Imminent War Against Iran"

I sometimes think martial law has already come to the US. Certainly, US cops and other "authoritarian types" have crawled out from under the rocks, damp places and filthy cracks in the woodwork since Bush pulled off his coup d'etat!

 Tasering has become a malevolent epidemic and just recently I helped circulate a video of Sherrif deputies bruatalizing and strip searching an innocent woman who had called the department leigitimately for help. I sent a letter to the Sherrif demanding his resignation and the firing of this deputies --but, by the time, I got the ltter off, the coward had already changed his email address. 

 Unles the people of the US awaken to these outrages they will only get worse. It is a symptom of the nation's imminent fall. I hate to say that! I loved everything the Constitution stood for. I loathe and despise what Bush has done to do it. 

by Len Hart (124 articles, 159 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 489 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 11:32:27 AM
 


Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."
John Sanchez Jr.Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Committing genocide and suicide over oil...

Is all the more macabre when one considers that petroleum is a sunset fuel. We will have to move to alternatives soon in any event since a past peak petroleum economy will be unsustainable.

If we survive this imbecile, perhaps his successor will be able to favor their biggest supporters with night spent in the padded Bush bedroom.

by John Sanchez Jr. (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 1055 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 4:33:21 PM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Sunset fuel...

Thanks for your comments. I like your phrase "sunset fuel". Indeed, the world has grown more dangerous as oil became hard to find and more expensive to produce and refine. Perhaps, we should have expected the world to become a much more dangerous under those conditions. In its decline, oil becomes disproportionately important, nations more desperate.

Monitoring the news today --it is clear that the cables were deliberately sabotage; Iran is utterly cut off from the internet. Isolating a nation, cutting off its communication is usually the first step preceding an attack.

It would appear that Bush no longer gives a crap about pre-text. His charge that Iran had weaponized grade fuels is universally and credibly debunked. Bush is isolated but doesn't care.

Like the US today, Rome had currency problems, one of the reasons for its fall. When Rome attacked Dacia, it was for the gold. By the time, the Praetorian Guard auctioned off the empire to Didius Julianus, the transaction would be completed in Drachmas (Greek currency) not Roman the sestercius or the asses. The smart money had already dumped Roman coinage.

Much is made of the "gold standard". In fact, a nation's currency is really backed up by his productive capacity. The strong dollar had been backed up by US productivity, it's economic expansion, much of which was fueled by oil. The US was an oil producing nation.

As Gore Vidal pointed out, the US empire ended in the early eighties, when the US became a net debtor nation. GOP regimes since have only made the situation worse. Just as empire became the business of Rome, empire has become the "business" of the US which no longer produces enough to fits it population let alone export to the rest of the world. America's best days are over. We live in the twilight of empire.

Monitoring the news today --it is clear that the cables were deliberately sabotage; Iran is utterly cut off from the internet. Isolating a nation, cutting off its communication is usually the first step preceding an attack.

It would appear that Bush no longer gives a crap about pre-text. His charge that Iran had weaponized grade fuels is universally and credibly debunked. Bush is isolated but doesn't care.

Like the US today, Rome had currency problems, one of the reasons for its fall. When Rome attacked Dacia, it was for the gold. By the time, the Praetorian Guard auctioned off the empire to Didius Julianus, the transaction would be completed in Drachmas (Greek currency) not the Roman sestercius or asses. The smart money had already dumped Roman coinage.

Much is made of the "gold standard". In fact, a nation's currency is really backed up by his productive capacity. The strong dollar had been backed up by US productivity, it's economic expansion, much of which was fueled by oil. The US was an oil producing nation.

As Gore Vidal pointed out, the US empire ended in the early eighties, when the US became a net debtor nation. GOP regimes since have only made the situation worse. Just as empire became the business of Rome, empire has become the "business" of the US which no longer produces enough to fits it population let alone export to the rest of the world. America's best days are over. We live in the twilight of empire.

 

 

by Len Hart (124 articles, 159 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 489 comments) on Tuesday, February 5, 2008 at 3:07:49 AM
 


Electrical Engineer
Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

It's all about delusions of a greater Israel

I didn’t say the Neocons care about the U.S. economy.

You implied it.

What I said is “they” care about the dollar and policing the world monetary/banking system. 

Huh? They obviously don't care about the dollar and/or the world economy. They know damn well what damage they're causing. It's merely part of the price we all must pay for PNAC.

 “They” aren’t just neocons.

Yes, they are.

“They” are not really even Democrats or Republicans. 

They're both, of course. 

Do “they” wish to destroy Israel's perceived "enemies" in the Middle East?  Perhaps, if it serves their interests.

Who are "they" and what "interests" would those be? Bush is following the PNAC agenda. That is the Neocon interest, and that is all about a delusional vision of a greater Israel, and nothing else.

Some of the neocons care about some Israelis’ delusion of a greater Israel, but within the “they” I’m talking about, those neocons, those Israelis’, and Israel are just a few of the players.

Nonsense. Give me some examples of Neocons that don't care about Israel to the exclusion of everything else.

Yes, the U.S. has rebuffed every attempt by Iran to initiate dialog in recent years, but the game plan was set before that.  There are many factors involved in the Middle East, Israel is not calling all the shots, and Israel is not the tail wagging the dog (the U.S.). 

Sorry but you're wrong. Neocons have been struggling for years to get to the very top. They've finally accomplished that. They've gone from having significant influence (Bush I started a war against Iraq, but he defied the Neocons and wouldn't go all the way to Baghdad), to having total or almost total control.

It would not have mattered what Saddam Hussein offered the U.S. to stave off an invasion.  He was suckered into Kuwait by a guaranty the U.S. would not intervene in the first place.

Well of course he was. So what's your point?

The U.S. is not a puppet state of a Likud-controlled Israel, although it is true the Israel-lobby wields undue influence on U.S. foreign policy, and our support for Israel does make us a target for Israel’s enemies.

Of course the U.S. is a puppet state of Likud-controlled Israel. You may not want to acknowledge it, for whatever curious reason, but there is simply no other explanation that fits the facts.

The U.S./NATO bombed and invaded Afghanistan, the U.S./Britain bombed and invaded Iraq, and the dollar did not collapse.

LOL! Apparently you haven't noticed that the dollar is collapsing. Really the main questions now are how far will it go, and will it become "catastrophic"?

If the U.S. and/or Israel bomb Iran, the dollar still will not collapse.  Most other countries will not attack the dollar as a collapse of the dollar and the world economy based on it would hurt them too, the exceptions being Venezuela and maybe Russia.  China  is less likely to join in.

In your opinion, that is. As I pointed out, the dollar is already collapsing. (If you don't believe that, simply ask anyone living abroad depending on a U.S. based pension). As far as China is concerned, regardless of what they may or may not want or intend to do, they will be forced to dump dollars if things get bad enough. Apparently you don't have much of an understanding of economics?

But, allowing Iran to proceed with selling oil in any currency and Venezuela too, would do even more damage to the U.S. dollar. 

Well sure it will, especially being that the Bush/Neocon corruption, unilateralism and military adventurism has made the U.S. hated almost everywhere, and the associated profligate spending has already weakened the dollar significantly.

The whole world now sees the U.S. as a lawless, politically and economically unstable "Banana Republic". Who wants to hold billions and trillions of the "pesos" of a rogue Banana Republic?

Russia just might join in.  With Iran planning to announce the opening of its oil bourse within days, not a month, the timing of the Internet cutoff makes even more sense.

If Iran is attacked it will have nothing or next to nothing to do with the oil bourse. It will be because the PNACers have targeted Iran, because, like Iraq, it is not a puppet state, and, in the Neocon "mind" thus presents an "existential threat" to the greater Israel that they imagine.

The “they” I’m talking about does not intend to commit national suicide to destroy Israel’s enemies.

You're wrong. It's not that "they" necessarily "intend" for the U.S. to commit national suicide; rather, the "they" that are in charge simply don't care what happens to the U.S. (or the rest of the world for that matter). They are obsessed and they are delusional.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 450 comments) on Tuesday, February 5, 2008 at 7:15:39 AM
 


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This is long, but here goes anyway

My fault, I’ll try to be more direct.  When I wrote “they”, I was not referring to the Neocons.  The point I was trying to get across is that the people pulling all the strings in the U.S. Government are not the Neocons.  The Neocons are in power now, but they represent a faction of the group that runs the U.S..  The Neocons are a powerful faction that is presently out of control in some respects, but they do not control the purse strings of the Government, nor do they control the media, nor do they have the full support of the military.

The Neocons do not care about the U.S. economy, that is obvious.  The traditional Establishment does, to the extent that it affects the world monetary/banking system and their many corporate interests.  The traditional Establishment that drafted the PNAC cannot be neatly categorized in terms of political labels such as: Democrat, Republican, or Neocon, unless you are choosing to define Neocon as the traditional Establishment, and I certainly would not agree that they are one and the same.

The traditional Establishment in the U.S. consists of the oil, banking, military/industrial, pharmaceutical, media, and nonprofit entities that were built up around the fortunes of certain Robber Barons, the key players being Rockefeller and Morgan.  The key financial advantage held by these people (their families and their agents) is their controlling ownership interest in private banks that own controlling interests in the private Federal Reserve banks.  There is a British link as well via the Rothschild family that holds a controlling interest in the British Central Bank and owns part of the Federal Reserve Banks as well.

These people are not controlled by the Neocons you see in office.  Rather, the Neocons Bush/Cheney were put in office by the Establishment, as was Bill Clinton, as will be Hillary, Obama, or McCain.

The fact that the Neocons have been struggling for years to get to the very top, and they appear to have total or almost total control now does not necessarily mean they really do.

Regarding Saddam Hussein being suckered into  Kuwait,  by a guaranty the U.S. would not intervene in the first place, my point was that it fits the facts the way I see them as well as it does the way you see them.

Of course there is another explanation for the facts other than the U.S. is a puppet state of Likud-controlled Israel; it is the one I have given.  Your explanation does not seem to explain some 60 years of support for both Israel and its neighbors.  Even now, the U.S. gives approximately twice as much support to Israel’s neighbors as it does to Israel.

Next, laugh all you like about what you think I know about the “collapsing dollar”.  Apparently you haven’t read anything I’ve posted on OpEdNews, and you just don’t know anything about me, or you choose to use the word collapse differently than I do.  When the dollar drops 30% in less than a week, I would use the word collapse.  I don’t call it a collapse when it drops 30% in a year.  Collapse means sudden, to me.  We are not in disagreement over the fact the dollar is dropping steadily.

“As I pointed out, the dollar is already collapsing. (If you don't believe that, simply ask anyone living abroad depending on a U.S. based pension).As far as China is concerned, regardless of what they may or may not want or intend to do, they will be forced to dump dollars if things get bad enough. Apparently you don't have much of an understanding of economics?”

My suggestion is, don’t start a pissing contest just because you have a different opinion than I do concerning what is happening in politics and why.  Read my first article on OpEdNews.  Then come back and tell me I don’t understand why anyone living on a pension is having problems, and I do not have much of an understanding of economics.

Corruption, unilateralism, military adventurism, profligate spending, lawlessness, and political and economic instability have nothing to do with the value of true money such as gold or silver.  A paper currency, however, backed only by the promise of Government to limit its quantity, to collect taxes and pay interest on its debt, is definitely at the mercy of world opinion and certain technical characteristics of banking and financial assets.

A lot of things can happen, none sure.  Should the world believe that the U.S. will fall as a nation, the dollar might truly collapse in a day as British bonds did when traders thought Nelson had lost to Bonaparte at Waterloo.  Or the dollar could just continue to drop steadily due to over-expansion of credit.  Or, problems with bank loans and derivatives could cause the whole banking system to freeze up.  In the latter scenario, which I find most likely, Depression will result, a collapse of the dollar of a different kind.

If Iran is attacked, we might both be partially right, and I do not care to argue about who will be “more right.”

“You're wrong. It's not that "they" necessarily "intend" for the U.S. to commit national suicide; rather, the "they" that are in charge simply don't care what happens to the U.S. (or the rest of the world for that matter). They are obsessed and they are delusional.”

I’m not wrong, as my “they” was the traditional U.S. Establishment.  You are right about your Neocons, though.  If you define the Neocons as all being Israel-first types, then yes, they don’t care what happens to the U.S.  That is why Americans who believe our Government should always put Americans interests first should be concerned about AIPAC and the Israel lobby.

by Paul Rye (6 articles, 1 quicklinks, 13 diaries, 253 comments) on Wednesday, February 6, 2008 at 8:17:41 PM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Imagine that your local stores won't take your dollars

If Iran is attacked it will have nothing or next to nothing to do with the oil bourse. It will be because the PNACers have targeted Iran, because, like Iraq, it is not a puppet state, and, in the Neocon "mind" thus presents an "existential threat" to the greater Israel that they imagine.

It has everything to do with NEOCONS who are most certainly supporters of the OIL/Military alliance or, themselves, part of it and complicit with it. NEOCONS are all about empire and oil is at the heart of American empire. Israel is, in fact, just a convenient ally as were the various puppet, vassel states of Rome --many of which were in the Middle East.

Certainly, when oil is no longer traded in dollars, it is not only the dollar that will collapse. It means that the US --on the bad end of a huge balance of trade deficit --will no longer be able to afford to import goods or services. For a nation that long ago (Reagan years primarily) gave up its role as a manufacturing nation, this callapse will be monumental, catastrophic. If you don't believe me, go to Wal-Mart or even your local supermarket. Almost everything on the shelves is imported. Imagine that the shop will no longer take your "dollar" in payment for anything in the store! 

 Wake up America! 

See my article at:

How an Iranian 'Oil Bourse' Threatens the American Empire

by Len Hart (124 articles, 159 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 489 comments) on Tuesday, February 5, 2008 at 7:48:20 AM
 


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The U.S. Empire is only a means to an end for these "people"

Neocons don't care about the U.S. Empire per se, they care about an Israeli Empire. They're not "Americans", and they don't care about America except in the sense that any parasite cares that he has a host to exploit.

Naturally they will intermingle and make connections with other groups and related entities (e.g., the "military-industrial complex"), that share some common interests, but ultimately their single minded interest is in erecting the Israeli Empire.

What Bush et al. are doing is not rational because the Neocons pulling the strings are not rational actors; rather, they're obsessed and they're delusional. 

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 450 comments) on Tuesday, February 5, 2008 at 8:34:19 AM
 


JUST A CONCERN CITIZEN AND LOVE MY COUNTRY GREW UP IN A SMALL FISHING TOWN IN NJ,BUT THE DAY I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE,SPENT MOST OF MY TIME EXPANSING MY MINE. LEARNED A LOT THE HARD WAY,BUT MOSTLY STREET SMART. AT 65 HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO THE SNAKES ARE.
RICHARD SHADEJUST A CONCERN CITIZEN AND LOVE MY COUNTRY GREW UP IN A SMALL FISHING TOWN IN NJ,BUT THE DAY I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE,SPENT MOST OF MY TIME EXPANSING MY MINE. LEARNED A LOT THE HARD WAY,BUT MOSTLY STREET SMART. AT 65 HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO THE SNAKES ARE.

THE US EMPIRE

HAROLD I AGREE, ALL ROADS LEAD BACK TO ISRAEL, LOOK AT AIPAC'S CONTROL AND HOW MANY JEWS ARE IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE, IN ALL BRANCHS OF OUR GOVERNMET, AND CONTROL OF THE BANKS, AND MSM. AND MC-CAIN, CLINTON, OBAMA ALL SUPPORT ISRAEL, AND THE WAY IT LOOKS ONE OF THESE CFR GLOBALIST WILL BE ARE NEXT PRESIDENT.

by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Thursday, February 7, 2008 at 9:11:24 AM
 

 

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